CHRISTIAN DAYCARE WORKERS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO CALL A LITTLE GIRL A BOY

[Cute Tink]

If it was a physician visit, more than likely the physician would want to talk with the child alone. With that said, the type of psychological investigation required to peel the layers back, would be beyond their training and capabilities.

And yes, if a physician was presented with this situation, they would most likely insist on a psychological investigation, out of potential concern for the child.

Peel the layers back? Layers of what? I'm seriously not getting the conspiracy angle here.

Here's an example of the issue I am having here: Johnny has dated boys and girls. Johnny is now dating Greg. Would anyone start calling CPS declaring that Johnny was being forced to be gay simply because he is now dating another boy, under the pretense that sometimes he dates girls?

 

[Cute Tink]

Let's assume other 'abnormal' behaviour that could arise that, uncorrected, would be frowned upon by others.

Oh well.

Would you take fault with your child lashing out at others or would that just be them being them?

Lashing out would be the problem. Lashing out is also not evidenced by this article. Are you attempting to extend the situation to see where I draw the line? If my kids advocate for their position on something, fine. I always recommend that they remain calm and deal with issues in a rational manner.

 

[bhsmte]

Peel the layers back? Layers of what? I'm seriously not getting the conspiracy angle here.

Here's an example of the issue I am having here: Johnny has dated boys and girls. Johnny is now dating Greg. Would anyone start calling CPS declaring that Johnny was being forced to be gay simply because he is now dating another boy, under the pretense that sometimes he dates girls?

We are dealing with a young child here, not an adult, who is more mature from a psychological aspect.

It is not normal, for a young child to be presented and for the parents to insist they be referred to as the opposite gender and this would not go unnoticed by a medical professional and they would be compelled to investigate.

If you can't get that, I can't help you.

 

[Tallguy88]

"Gender fluidity" does that mean you're a girl one day and a boy the next? And are people just supposed to play along with that as normal?

 

[Cute Tink]

We are dealing with a young child here, not an adult, who is more mature from a psychological aspect.

I don't believe I suggested they were the same.

It is not normal, for a young child to be presented and for the parents to insist they be referred to as the opposite gender and this would not go unnoticed by a medical professional and they would be compelled to investigate.

"Insist" seems to be a matter of opinion. The article doesn't even use that word. It says they told the school to refer to the child as a boy and by a masculine name. That's it. The child demonstrates a more fluid interpretation of their identity. That doesn't indicate that this is being forced by the parents, or "insisted" upon.

If you can't get that, I can't help you.

Yeah, I don't get the need to jump to the notoriously hamfisted CPS. There is no indication that the parents are not willing to discuss this. There is no other evidence to suggest abuse or potential damage to the child. Yeah, I don't understand, because a) I don't care about "normal"; b) I don't see the force that others claim; c) medical professionals and day care workers are compelled to report signs of abuse, not "abnormality"

 

[Cute Tink]

"Gender fluidity" does that mean you're a girl one day and a boy the next? And are people just supposed to play along with that as normal?

What is this obsession with "normal"?

How a person expresses their identity is individual. Some express it by shifting back and forth with different expression and want to be identified differently. Some are experimenting with who they are. I am not so concerned with whether or not the kid is "normal enough", but rather whether they are healthy and whether they are the subject of abuse. I don't see signs of force or abuse in this case based upon what I've been presented, nor do I see the need for CPS at this point.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't believe I suggested they were the same.



"Insist" seems to be a matter of opinion. The article doesn't even use that word. It says they told the school to refer to the child as a boy and by a masculine name. That's it. The child demonstrates a more fluid interpretation of their identity. That doesn't indicate that this is being forced by the parents, or "insisted" upon.



Yeah, I don't get the need to jump to the notoriously hamfisted CPS. There is no indication that the parents are not willing to discuss this. There is no other evidence to suggest abuse or potential damage to the child. Yeah, I don't understand, because a) I don't care about "normal"; b) I don't see the force that others claim; c) medical professionals and day care workers are compelled to report signs of abuse, not "abnormality"

It has more to do with recognizing abnormal and knowing when to investigate, to assure the child is ok.

People who are "mandatory reporters" who are presented with this type of situation and didn't prompt an independent investigation, could and would lose their license, if something bad was to happen to the child.

 

[Tallguy88]

What is this obsession with "normal"?

How a person expresses their identity is individual. Some express it by shifting back and forth with different expression and want to be identified differently. Some are experimenting with who they are. I am not so concerned with whether or not the kid is "normal enough", but rather whether they are healthy and whether they are the subject of abuse. I don't see signs of force or abuse in this case based upon what I've been presented, nor do I see the need for CPS at this point.

So are we supposed to play along with whatever someone decides they are that day? And are we bigots if we don't?

 

[Cute Tink]

It has more to do with recognizing abnormal and knowing when to investigate, to assure the child is ok.

I don't see step one as call CPS. There is no indication that they talked to the parents, really talked to the child about what was going on. It looks like they took their lack of understanding of what was going on to mean the child was being forced to do something.

People who are "mandatory reporters" who are presented with this type of situation and didn't prompt an independent investigation, could and would lose their license, if something bad was to happen to the child.

Based upon whether there was a reasonable belief that the child was in some form of danger.

 

[Cute Tink]

So are we supposed to play along with whatever someone decides they are that day?

What harm is there in that? If I was working in a day care and a kid came in dressed as Superman and wanted to be called Superman for the day, I would. If that same kid came dressed as Elsa the next day and wanted to be called Queen Elsa, fine. It's not harming me at all to give the kid room to have imagination or figure out themselves.

And are we bigots if we don't?

I don't use that word.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't see step one as call CPS. There is no indication that they talked to the parents, really talked to the child about what was going on. It looks like they took their lack of understanding of what was going on to mean the child was being forced to do something.



Based upon whether there was a reasonable belief that the child was in some form of danger.

Let me tell you what would happen, if a child like this visited a physician.

The physician would ask to speak with the child alone and then the parents alone and gather some information. Then, considering the physician is not trained to dig into the psychological goings on here, the physician would ask the parents to allow the child to be thoroughly evaluated by a psychologist. If the parents refused, the physician would contact CPS and inform them of his findings and ask them to compel a psychological evaluation.

 

[Cute Tink]

Let me tell you what would happen, if a child like this visited a physician.

The physician would ask to speak with the child alone and then the parents alone and gather some information. Then, considering the physician is not trained to dig into the psychological goings on here, the physician would ask the parents to allow the child to be thoroughly evaluated by a psychologist. If the parents refused, the physician would contact CPS and inform them of his findings and ask them to compel a psychological evaluation.

Let's say for a moment that this happened, what would you say would happen in these situations:

1. The kid tells the doctor that he's a boy, despite the female body.
2. The kid doesn't say anything to the doctor, but the parents have a document from the kid's therapist backing them up.
3. The parents agree to a psychological evaluation.

 

[Aldebaran]

From the OP:



The transgender agenda...

There is no religious right to force your beliefs on the child.

Is there some new homosexual right to force gender beliefs on a child?

 

[Cute Tink]

Is there some new homosexual right to force gender beliefs on a child?

1. Nobody claimed anything of the sort.
2. There still remains no evidence that anyone is forcing anything on the child.

 

[Aldebaran]

What harm is there in that? If I was working in a day care and a kid came in dressed as Superman and wanted to be called Superman for the day, I would. If that same kid came dressed as Elsa the next day and wanted to be called Queen Elsa, fine. It's not harming me at all to give the kid room to have imagination or figure out themselves.

What if "Queen Elsa" also decided that, as a queen, she has authority over you and no longer needs to do what you tell her, and she can do whatever she pleases? Gotta draw the line somewhere.....

 

[bhsmte]

Let's say for a moment that this happened, what would you say would happen in these situations:

1. The kid tells the doctor that he's a boy, despite the female body.
2. The kid doesn't say anything to the doctor, but the parents have a document from the kid's therapist backing them up.
3. The parents agree to a psychological evaluation.

1. the doctor would want a psychological evaluation.
2. the doctor would want to talk directly to the therapist, to understand the therapists findings. Also, if the doctor felt the therapist did not have the credentials to investigate this sort of issue, they would want a referral to another therapist.
3. the doctor would specify which therapists would qualify to evaluate this situation and follow up directly with the therapist, to determine their findings.

 

[Cute Tink]

What if "Queen Elsa" also decided that, as a queen, she has authority over you and no longer needs to do what you tell her, and she can do whatever she pleases? Gotta draw the line somewhere.....

Seriously?

 

[Aldebaran]

1. Nobody claimed anything of the sort.
2. There still remains no evidence that anyone is forcing anything on the child.

I didn't say anyone claimed it. I was asking YOU the question.

 

[Cute Tink]

1. the doctor would want a psychological evaluation.

Fine. Leading to point 2.

2. the doctor would want to talk directly to the therapist, to understand the therapists findings. Also, if the doctor felt the therapist did not have the credentials to investigate this sort of issue, they would want a referral to another therapist.

Part of your complaint is that the doctor lacks the training to properly evaluate the child, but now has the ability to determine the credentials of someone who does? I'm sorry, that's absurd.

3. the doctor would specify which therapists would qualify to evaluate this situation and follow up directly with the therapist, to determine their findings.

See #2.

My main point being, however, is that I see no effort to follow any of these options, just jumping to calling CPS without demonstration of abuse.

 

[Aldebaran]

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously! You seem to want some lines blurred and seem so tolerant of someone wanting something, but you don't seem to accept the fact that once a line is crossed, then other demands can be made. First, people want to say they're the opposite sex. Second, they want everyone else to identify them as the opposite sex. Third, they want everyone else to allow them to do whatever they please, even if it violates the law. So then they want laws changed, even if it makes people in society uncomfortable for the sake of their own comfort.