Christian and pro-choice?

[Bella Vita]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7803178/#post64979883 An idea I had for a ministry.

I would have to say I disagree with that. Going to church is farther down the line is the steps. As someone who has prayed and ministered outside abortion clinics. What we need is more pro-life health care we need more maternity homes where single moms can stay and get support. We need more pregnancy centers and women's care centers that give adoption and parenting info and classes. They give ultrasounds that places like PP refuse to show women. Free pregnancy testing STD treatment. Also give post abortive counseling and support groups as well as single mothers groups. Putting a church their would scare more women away they already feel judged and hated by society as it pregnant or post abortive women both. They need support and care that leads to church, but I think in your face church would not be good. If you want to know what it is like outside of these death mills I encourage you to go there first hand and pray maybe contact one of your local pro-life groups and see what days they go to pray. Women need more pro-life health car alternatives because believe it or not the are told by PP and often believe PP is their only option and that just is not true.

If you want to help in the pro-life movement host a diaper or baby clothing drive. Pregnancy centers and pro-life health care facilities 100% need donations they get no help from the government unlike PP who gets millions in taxpayer money. Pregnancy centers are 100% none for profit organizations again unlike PP who claims to be.

 

[Bluelion]

That is an amazing testimony! Praise God for fathers who except pregnancy instead of treating it like a disease. So awesome for you to step up like that!

thank you, But give the credit to God He lead me if not for Him I never could have done what i did or what I still do.

My boys have two different dads neither of there dads really give a crap about them, but I love them like my own. I call them my sons, though my oldest when he feels like being a teenager reminds me step son. God open my heart and blessed me. from 23 to 30 I could not even take care of my self from 30 to 37 i take care of my sons have housed my sister in law and her kids, house my mother in law twice and got her her own apartment below us. God took the least like person to take care of people, me, and put me in charge of taking care of my family. It is all God.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I would have to say I disagree with that. Going to church is farther down the line is the steps. As someone who has prayed and ministered outside abortion clinics. What we need is more pro-life health care we need more maternity homes where single moms can stay and get support. We need more pregnancy centers and women's care centers that give adoption and parenting info and classes. They give ultrasounds that places like PP refuse to show women. Free pregnancy testing STD treatment. Also give post abortive counseling and support groups as well as single mothers groups. Putting a church their would scare more women away they already feel judged and hated by society as it pregnant or post abortive women both. They need support and care that leads to church, but I think in your face church would not be good. If you want to know what it is like outside of these death mills I encourage you to go there first hand and pray maybe contact one of your local pro-life groups and see what days they go to pray. Women need more pro-life health car alternatives because believe it or not the are told by PP and often believe PP is their only option and that just is not true.

If you want to help in the pro-life movement host a diaper or baby clothing drive. Pregnancy centers and pro-life health care facilities 100% need donations they get no help from the government unlike PP who gets millions in taxpayer money. Pregnancy centers are 100% none for profit organizations again unlike PP who claims to be.

Those things may be needed but I think buying the property next to abortion clinics and starting churches would be very useful. Planned parenthood lies. There are people who do not want to see the truth and will not look for it. Many people want to believe PP's lies. The truth about abortion must be shown to them.

Do you know what would be great??? If there was a Church or private biz owned by a pro-lifer right next to every Planned Parenthood and abortion clinic to tell people these things.


Not to mention.

Another thing I have thought about doing is going church to church and asking the Pastors to preach a sermon on abortion and adoption and asking their congregants if any of them would be willing to adopt a child about to be killed. Then I could put up a sign that says I know X amount of couples willing to adopt your child. Well I can do this now without starting a ministry! To be honest when I get a job where I can afford children I plan on going up to a clinic with a sign that says I will adopt your child. I would like to eventually adopt lots of kids. That is where this idea started..

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Closed Clinics | AbortionDocs Look at all the clinics that have been closed already.

 

[Bella Vita]

Those things may be needed but I think buying the property next to abortion clinics and starting churches would be very useful. Planned parenthood lies. There are people who do not want to see the truth and will not look for it. Many people want to believe PP's lies. The truth about abortion must be shown to them.

Do you know what would be great??? If there was a Church or private biz owned by a pro-lifer right next to every Planned Parenthood and abortion clinic to tell people these things.


Not to mention.

I get what you are saying but take it from someone who has been out there. The first thing they want to know is if I am not going to have this abortion and I am not going to get my $600 dollars back then someone needs to give me a solution right now or I am walking back inside. That means they want to know what type of support there is such as diapers, food, housing, baby clothes, formula ect. Church to them only = judgment they need to be taken in loved and supported by pro-lifers before they realize we are not there to judge them. And that takes time building trust and relationships. So the thing that needs to go next to abortion clinics already is there, but we need more are pregnancy centers, women's care centers, and maternity homes because women can literally walk right next door and get pro-life healthcare where they get real options and support.

Because in that moment they want to know how you are going to help them take care of that baby. If you can't give a real solution and meet their physical needs they are going back in and having an abortion. The physical needs are the first thing that needs met the spiritual needs come later. Because seriously some of these women do not care they want a real solution to how that baby is going to be clothed and fed. And if you can't give them a real solution they are having their abortion.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

. And if you can't give them a real solution they are having their abortion.

Adoption. That's a real solution. Didn't I just quote myself talking about that. Imagine a sign that says...we know X amount of families who want to adopt your child. I bet you if I said my plan was to take some super glue, place a few dabs on my thumb, and shove my thumb right up my pooper then just sit on it no one would be criticizing me.

I do not know of a single church that is right next to an abortion clinic working in that fashion (maybe some are) Yet I hear of people opening Churches up all the time. It is a great idea.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7804008/
Imagine a tv right outside the church with this video playing at high volume. Big pics of 3d ultrasounds and intrauterine photos. RIGHT next to the clinic.

 

[Bella Vita]

Adoption. That's a real solution. Didn't I just quote myself talking about that. Imagine a sign that says...we know X amount of families who want to adopt your child. I bet you if I said my plan was to take some super glue, place a few dabs on my thumb, and shove my thumb right up my pooper then just sit on it no one would be criticizing me.

I do not know of a single church that is right next to an abortion clinic working in that fashion (maybe some are) Yet I hear of people opening Churches up all the time. It is a great idea.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7804008/
Imagine a tv right outside the church with this video playing at high volume. Big pics of 3d ultrasounds and intrauterine photos. RIGHT next to the clinic.

Adoption is a real answer and I have seen babies be adopted right there on the sidewalk. All I am saying is you need to get out there in front of the clinic and see what it is like. Just keep in mind anything you promise those women you have to be able to back it up. If you are serious about starting ministry for abortion minded women or post abortive women you need to get out and start doing some research. I would encourage you to read unplanned by Abby Johnson also the 40 days for life book by Shawn Carney. As well as get involved in a local 40 days for life campaign or see when your local pro-life groups go out to pray.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Adoption is a real answer and I have seen babies be adopted right there on the sidewalk. All I am saying is you need to get out there in front of the clinic and see what it is like. Just keep in mind anything you promise those women you have to be able to back it up. If you are serious about starting ministry for abortion minded women or post abortive women you need to get out and start doing some research. I would encourage you to read unplanned by Abby Johnson also the 40 days for life book by Shawn Carney. As well as get involved in a local 40 days for life campaign or see when your local pro-life groups go out to pray.

Thank you. You are THE ONLY person who has offered any sort of real help or real advice that can help me on this whole forum so far.

 

[dcalling]

I was pro abortion, but later on became neutral because it just doesn't feel right. Both me and wife agrees we will never abort a baby.

I was also pro-death penalty as well, now I am neutral. I think from my understanding of the Bible we can't take a life, only God can do that.

However if the voters/politicians decides otherwise I am OK with that as well, because I believe the Bible said to obey the local authorities.

 

[Bella Vita]

I was pro abortion, but later on became neutral because it just doesn't feel right. Both me and wife agrees we will never abort a baby.

I was also pro-death penalty as well, now I am neutral. I think from my understanding of the Bible we can't take a life, only God can do that.

However if the voters/politicians decides otherwise I am OK with that as well, because I believe the Bible said to obey the local authorities.

The Bible says to obey the local authorities, but only as long at it doesn't go over God's law. God comes first then man. So legal murder and discrimination of the unborn might be excepted by our government, but it is not excepted by our God. Therefore government or no government abortion is wrong!

 

[Bluelion]

The Bible says to obey the local authorities, but only as long at it doesn't go over God's law. God comes first then man. So legal murder and discrimination of the unborn might excepted by our government, but it is not excepted by our God. Therefore government or no government abortion is wrong!

was going to say the same thing, well put. The government once said Jesus was guilty, now we know Jesus was not guilty of any thing. The government said you can not follow or worship Jesus. We know better than to follow that.

 

[David Waffen]

People spend tens of thousands of dollars to produce the 'right' human being and spend hundreds of dollars to destroy the 'wrong' human being.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I was pro abortion, but later on became neutral because it just doesn't feel right. Both me and wife agrees we will never abort a baby.

I was also pro-death penalty as well, now I am neutral. I think from my understanding of the Bible we can't take a life, only God can do that.

However if the voters/politicians decides otherwise I am OK with that as well, because I believe the Bible said to obey the local authorities.

Dose that mean you are going to take the mark if you are here when it is required by law? What about if the law said you had to worship the anti-Christ or bow down to his image?

The Bible says to obey the local authorities, but only as long at it doesn't go over God's law. God comes first then man. So legal murder and discrimination of the unborn might excepted by our government, but it is not excepted by our God. Therefore government or no government abortion is wrong! .

I am with Bella on this one.

However if the voters/politicians decides otherwise I am OK with that as well, because I believe the Bible said to obey the local authorities.

So then you wouldn't have taken part in the underground railroad? I don't think that's true.

What if the law required you to turn your Jewish neighbors into the Gestopo? Would you have helped Jews escape Germany in the 40's? That would have been illegal, and frowned upon by your National Socialist neighbors.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

The government once said Jesus was guilty, now we know Jesus was not guilty of any thing. The government said you can not follow or worship Jesus. We know better than to follow that.

The Roman Government killed many Christians.The German Government killed millions of Jews. Not to mention the millions that the Chinese and Russian Governments murdered.

 

[Soothfish]

"Christians" who are pro-stabbing baby jesus in the neck.

Interesting. Sick and interesting....

How is heaven going to accept these individuals, pray tell?

 

[Skala]

Last time I checked, Alabama was in the US.



I understand that. But I'm not talking about the argument, I'm talking about misleading terminology.

We are not talking about other areas we are talking about abortion. Why are you arguing with me about this?

I think South Bound's point is that liberals have hijacked the word "choice".

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

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Sad we have more rights for animals in this country than we do human beings!

Why don't we let the Government abort convicted murderers and rapists. Try saying that to most pro-babymurder liberals.

 

[Soothfish]

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You joke about that but that's how those "people" actually think. It would be so nice if they kept their self-hatred to themselves instead of letting it all out on the people in their lives.

 

[Bella Vita]

Why don't we let the Government abort convicted murderers and rapists. Try saying that to most pro-babymurder liberals.

Babies are literally being ripped apart limb by limb from their mother's womb having saline and poison injected in their brains, and we are talking 4,000 a day. We do things to the unborn in this country that we would't do to puppies and kittens. If PP got caught doing the things they do to babies to puppies and kittens there would be riots in the streets! American land of the liberal hypocrites!

Oh but don't you know if your pro-life you are the crazy extreme person who just makes no sense! (eye roll)

 

[Bella Vita]

I think South Bound's point is that liberals have hijacked the word "choice".

Right we agreed we realized we were talking about the same thing our communication just wasn't great and we both got confused by the other.