Christian and pro-choice?

[Bella Vita]

To me those things just do not go together. I have never been able to wrap my head around how anyone who claims to be a believer and reads our scripture could be ok with ending a human life. We are talking about God's creation and we are talking about murder a very clear sin against God. Yet the selfishness of our society says it is ok so then God goes out the window. Thankfully the Baptist denomination is picking up pace in the pro-life movement and is coming in hot on the heels of the Catholics. We are in a time of battle and the movement is growing we have the youngest pro-life generation we have ever had. Things are changing in this country little by little. God is moving and hearts are changing!

The biggest lie of the last 41 years is that women need to kill their own children in order to be successful. We are told that a right to abort brings women empowerment. Every women who walks up to an abortion clinic feels anything but empowered if anything she feels powerless. She feels pressure to make that boss at work happy, or her college that won't work with her class schedule, or her boyfriend who will leave her. Why not use our money to help fund single mother programs, maternity homes, better the foster system, better the adoption system? Why do we keep believing the lie that abortion and slaughtering our children by thousands every day is the answer? In 41 years it hasn't solved any of our problems if anything it has made our problems worse!

So I ask you are you pro-life? Is your church pro-life?

What are you currently doing in the pro-life movement?

Are you stepping out to fight to end abortion?

 

[South Bound]

To me those things just do not go together. I have never been able to wrap my head around how anyone who claims to be a believer and reads our scripture could be ok with ending a human life. We are talking about God's creation and we are talking about murder a very clear sin against God. Yet the selfishness of our society says it is ok so then God goes out the window. Thankfully the Baptist denomination is picking up pace in the pro-life movement and is coming in hot on the heels of the Catholics. We are in a time of battle and the movement is growing we have the youngest pro-life generation we have ever had. Things are changing in this country little by little. God is moving and hearts are changing!

The biggest lie of the last 41 years is that women need to kill their own children in order to be successful. We are told that a right to abort brings women empowerment. Every women who walks up to an abortion clinic feels anything but empowered if anything she feels powerless. She feels pressure to make that boss at work happy, or her college that won't work with her class schedule, or her boyfriend who will leave her. Why not use our money to help single mother programs, better the foster system, better the adoption system? Why do we keep believing the lie that abortion is the answer? In 41 years it hasn't solved any of our problems if anything it has made our problems worse!

So I ask you are you pro-life? Is your church pro-life?

What are you currently doing in the pro-life movement?

Are you stepping out to fight to end abortion?

How are you defining "pro-choice"? As a libertarian, I feel I'm strongly pro-choice in many areas. I just don't feel it's acceptable to kill babies in the womb.

Ironically, liberals and progressives who insist they're the pro-choice ones are not pro-choice, merely pro-abortion.

 

[Bella Vita]

How are you defining "pro-choice"? As a libertarian, I feel I'm strongly pro-choice in many areas. I just don't feel it's acceptable to kill babies in the womb.

Ironically, liberals and progressives who insist they're the pro-choice ones are not pro-choice, merely pro-abortion.

Well to me pro-choice and pro-abortion are the same thing! But society knows this stance more commonly under the title pro-choice.

 

[South Bound]

Well to me pro-choice and pro-abortion are the same thing!

I don't see how. I'm pro-choice, but am staunchly anti-abortion.

On the other hand, why don't you ask those "pro-choice" folks what they think about letting us have choices in other areas besides abortions.

But society knows this stance more commonly under the title pro-choice.

Then it's a misleading name.

 

[Bella Vita]

I don't see how. I'm pro-choice, but am staunchly anti-abortion.

On the other hand, why don't you ask those "pro-choice" folks what they think about letting us have choices in other areas besides abortions.



Then it's a misleading name.

Are you from the US? Pro-choice vs pro-life debate is about abortion.

And if you are not for abortion then you are pro-life meaning you support adoption and parenting.

 

[South Bound]

Are you from the US?

Last time I checked, Alabama was in the US.

Pro-choice vs pro-life debate is about abortion.

I understand that. But I'm not talking about the argument, I'm talking about misleading terminology.

And if you are not for abortion then you are pro-life meaning you support adoption and parenting.

That's right. I am pro-life. However, because I support the right of people to make choices in other areas, I am also pro-choice.

We are not talking about other areas we are talking about abortion. Why are you arguing with me about this?

I'm against abortion. You're against abortion. Isn't that common ground? Can't we agree on that?

I'm not arguing with you over abortion. I'm pointing out that you're falling into the pro-abortion camp's trap by accepting their misleading terminology.

If you and I have any hope of arguing for the cause of life, then we can't allow the Left to redefine words.

 

[Bella Vita]

Last time I checked, Alabama was in the US.



I understand that. But I'm not talking about the argument, I'm talking about misleading terminology.



That's right. I am pro-life. However, because I support the right of people to make choices in other areas, I am also pro-choice.

We are not talking about other areas we are talking about abortion. Why are you arguing with me about this?

 

[Winter]

I'd like to share an experience I had one day while driving on the highway.

I was praying to God about things in general as I usually do while driving, and I was wondering what the Lord thought about the issue of choice and whether it was right/wrong for others to tell a woman what to do (I was and still am pro-life). And I remember clearly asking this out loud in my car: "God, is it right for others to interfere with a woman's choice?" I kid you not - maybe like 4 seconds after I asked this a van passed me on the right side lane, and on the rear of the car was a large sign of an aborted fetus with the slogan "Abortion Is Choice."

I did not see the van at all in my rear view mirror, neither could I have anticipated that such a van would have a sign even if I did see it because the sign was plastered on the back of the van. What are the chances of someone seeing that just seconds after asking God that very question?

At that point I had my answer. There was no doubt after that.

 

[Bluelion]

My wife came close to an abortion. She had just gotten out of a very abusive relationship and we had gotten together online but I was still 800 miles a way at this point when she found out she was carrying his baby. This guy would beat her, and use to put sleeping pills in her food and drink so she would pass out he then would rape her. When she found out she was pregnant she let him know. He took off, so there she was with her oldest son being evicted from her house with a baby on the way all alone. We talked on the phone and she told me, I was liberal back then I told her it had to be her choice what to do, but I would stay either way. She chose to have the baby but thought about adoption. It turns out that baby brought us together, she lost her house and was staying with her ex step dad. I could not help from 800 miles, so i packed a suit case jumped on a plane and moved up here. We stayed in a hotel at first I got a job fast and she was working, A lot happen, but when she talked about adoption I said no, I would raise Him as my own. The bio dad was no where to be found. She had the baby right at the time I got us a place to live. Then the bio dad family pop up and tried taking the baby. We fought them for years. It was enough time for me to raise that boy to a toddler. Then we decide to let the bio dad mom take care of him for a few because we fell on hard times and could not. He is 6 now and has everything he ask for. Bio dad is back so we have to deal with him, but Brayden is happy and very Loved. I could not imagine life with out him. I was there when he was born and when he came out I never new i could love another person so much. Choosing life is not just choosing life it is making a family. In recent years i heard a doc speak about what goes on in an abortion, so I am now completely against it. I trust God instead of what society says. I thank God for help me through it and making us do what was right when we did not know. Both our boys are great and we love them so much. God is Good.

So I think it should be outlawed.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Why are you arguing with me about this?

He probably dose not like the term "prochoice" being used as a misnomer. People who are in favor of the legalization of murdering innocent children are not pro-choice. What about the child's choice? My mother walked out of an abortion clinic. I was almost killed! I was instead adopted out. One of his points was probably that the term pro-choice dose not apply to those who support baby killers as they disregard the childs choice. I can verify that I love life and am glad my mother didn't kill me when she had the chance to do so legally.

That and the fact that he is libertarian is probably why he is arguing with you. He doesn't like how you are using the term pro choice because he is a pro-life libertarian.

BTW As far as my personal experience with pro-abortion Christians I have none. I know people who claim to be Nazis and Christian, and people who claim to support the ability of a mother to legally kill her child and they also claim to be a Christian. I suggest reading Richard Wurmbrand's Tortured For Christ and reading up on Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Some people joined the National Socialist party to help jews escape and fight the Third Reich from within so I cannot say there were never any real Nazi Christians. Richard Wurmbrand, a Jew, tried to lead Nazis to Christ. One of the men he led to Christ was a guard at the camp his wife's parents where murdered at.

If someone supports killing children and claims to serve Christ then either they need Christ or they are ignorant about what abortion is. None of the people I know personally who claim to support keeping abortion legal are real Christians but I am sure there are probably Christians out there somewhere who are ignorant about abortion. Those people I wouldn't judge unless they are willingly ignorant and don't want to know.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7803178/#post64979883 An idea I had for a ministry.

 

[Bella Vita]

My wife came close to an abortion. She had just gotten out of a very abusive relationship and we had gotten together online but I was still 800 miles a way at this point when she found out she was carrying his baby. This guy would beat her, and use to put sleeping pills in her food and drink so she would pass out he then would rape her. When she found out she was pregnant she let him know. He took off, so there she was with her oldest son being evicted from her house with a baby on the way all alone. We talked on the phone and she told me, I was liberal back then I told her it had to be her choice what to do, but I would stay either way. She chose to have the baby but thought about adoption. It turns out that baby brought us together, she lost her house and was staying with her ex step dad. I could not help from 800 miles, so i packed a suit case jumped on a plane and moved up here. We stayed in a hotel at first I got a job fast and she was working, A lot happen, but when she talked about adoption I said no, I would raise Him as my own. The bio dad was no where to be found. She had the baby right at the time I got us a place to live. Then the bio dad family pop up and tried taking the baby. We fought them for years. It was enough time for me to raise that boy to a toddler. Then we decide to let the bio dad mom take care of him for a few because we fell on hard times and could not. He is 6 now and has everything he ask for. Bio dad is back so we have to deal with him, but Brayden is happy and very Loved. I could not imagine life with out him. I was there when he was born and when he came out I never new i could love another person so much. Choosing life is not just choosing life it is making a family. In recent years i heard a doc speak about what goes on in an abortion, so I am now completely against it. I trust God instead of what society says. I thank God for help me through it and making us do what was right when we did not know. Both our boys are great and we love them so much. God is Good.

So I think it should be outlawed.

That is an amazing testimony! Praise God for fathers who except pregnancy instead of treating it like a disease. So awesome for you to step up like that!

 

[Bella Vita]

Last time I checked, Alabama was in the US.



I understand that. But I'm not talking about the argument, I'm talking about misleading terminology.



That's right. I am pro-life. However, because I support the right of people to make choices in other areas, I am also pro-choice.



I'm against abortion. You're against abortion. Isn't that common ground? Can't we agree on that?

I'm not arguing with you over abortion. I'm pointing out that you're falling into the pro-abortion camp's trap by accepting their misleading terminology.

If you and I have any hope of arguing for the cause of life, then we can't allow the Left to redefine words.

No I completely agree I think pro-choice is a terrible way to describe it and is a fluffy word than pro-abortion. I only use it because it is the most commonly known and I wanted people to understand what I was talking about here. Sadly there are Christians out there who also claim to be "pro-choice" they are for abortion in some situations. I completely think pro-choice should be named pro-abortion but unfortunately it is just now starting to catch on. Those of us in the pro-life crowed have been calling them pro-aborts for years. They of course disagree. I just had a women tell me last week that just because she is pro-choice doesn't mean she is for abortion clearly she is wrong!

 

[Bella Vita]

I'd like to share an experience I had one day while driving on the highway.

I was praying to God about things in general as I usually do while driving, and I was wondering what the Lord thought about the issue of choice and whether it was right/wrong for others to tell a woman what to do (I was and still am pro-life). And I remember clearly asking this out loud in my car: "God, is it right for others to interfere with a woman's choice?" I kid you not - maybe like 4 seconds after I asked this a van passed me on the right side lane, and on the rear of the car was a large sign of an aborted fetus with the slogan "Abortion Is Choice."

I did not see the van at all in my rear view mirror, neither could I have anticipated that such a van would have a sign even if I did see it because the sign was plastered on the back of the van. What are the chances of someone seeing that just seconds after asking God that very question?

At that point I had my answer. There was no doubt after that.

Wow well I guess he spoke huh? That is an awesome testimony I hope you are able to share it more!

 

[Bella Vita]

He probably dose not like the term "prochoice" being used as a misnomer. People who are in favor of the legalization of murdering innocent children are not pro-choice. What about the child's choice? My mother walked out of an abortion clinic. I was almost killed! I was instead adopted out. One of his points was probably that the term pro-choice dose not apply to those who support baby killers as they disregard the childs choice. I can verify that I love life and am glad my mother didn't kill me when she had the chance to do so legally.

That and the fact that he is libertarian is probably why he is arguing with you. He doesn't like how you are using the term pro choice because he is a pro-life libertarian.

BTW As far as my personal experience with pro-abortion Christians I have none. I know people who claim to be Nazis and Christian, and people who claim to support the ability for a mother to kill her child and to be Christian. I suggest reading Richard Wurmbrand's Tortured For Christ and reading up on Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Some people joined the National Socialist party to help jews escape and fight the Third Reich from within so I cannot say there were never any real Nazi Christians. Richard Wurmbrand, a Jew, tried to lead Nazis to Christ. One of the men he led to Christ was a guard at the camp his wife's parents where murdered at.

If someone supports killing children and claims to serve Christ then either they need Christ or they are ignorant about what abortion is.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7803178/#post64979883 An idea I had for a ministry.

Yes and I completely agree with him and explained why I used the term. And yet he is still arguing with me. Even though it seems we agree so sorry but I am confused.

 

[South Bound]

Yes and I completely agree with him and explained why I used the term. And yet he is still arguing with me. Even though it seems we agree so sorry but I am confused.

Wait, I'm the one arguing with you???

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

In recent years i heard a doc speak about what goes on in an abortion, so I am now completely against it.

That is the thing...some people do not know what goes on during an abortion and are completely ignorant about it and embryology.

The Germans didn't know what Hitler was going to do before they elected him and the Nazis into power. Years latter when the Nazis had complete control and most Germans were National Socialists the fact is almost no one really knew what Hitler was really doing to the Jews. No real Christian would ever support the holocaust but most Nazis didn't know Hitler was exterminating the Jews. So to say in Germany in the 30's/40's one could not be both a Christian and a Nazi would be a little inaccurate. Many people fought against the Third Reich from within the Party and many joined the party to help Jews escape.

(Watch all 4 parts of this interview)

Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy -- Eric Metaxas -- 1/4 - YouTube

Bonhoeffer, Wilberforce and the Gospel: An Evening With Eric Metaxas - YouTube

 

[Winter]

Over 55 million abortions in the U.S. alone since 1973. Lord have mercy.

 

[Bella Vita]

Over 55 million abortions in the U.S. alone since 1973. Lord have mercy.

The CDC did report this last week that the abortion rate is the lowest it has been since 1973! Planned Parenthood has had one of it's hardest years to date! This past year we saw the passing of more pro-life legislation than we have in a decade! Workers of the abortion industry are coming out and are whistle blowing on their own clinics in some cases shutting them down! Recent polls show we are largely pro-life and it is young people we have one of the youngest pro-life generations ever! It has been as exciting year but we are not done yet the fight is not over! We need to continue to know who we are voting for and vote for pro-life leaders and help pass pro-life laws and bills.

 

[Bella Vita]

Another amazing whittle blower on the abortion industry has been Live Action they go undercover inside abortion clinics and have uncovered footage of clinics and Planned Parenthoods covering up child abuse, human sex trafficking and infanticide. Check out their video at Live Action

This is their most recent video about infanticide in the late term abortion industry….the video is toward the bottom of the article.

Abortion worker caught on video: if baby is born alive 'they do not resuscitate' | LifeSiteNews.com

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

The CDC did report this last week that the abortion rate is the lowest it has been since 1973! Planned Parenthood has had one of it's hardest years to date! This past year we saw the passing of more pro-life legislation than we have in a decade! Workers of the abortion industry are coming out and are whistle blowing on their own clinics in some cases shutting them down! Recent polls show we are largely pro-life and it is young people we have one of the youngest pro-life generations ever! It has been as exciting year but we are not done yet the fight is not over! We need to continue to know who we are voting for and vote for pro-life leaders and help pass pro-life laws and bills.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7803178/#post64979883 An idea I had for a ministry.