Christ Did Not Fulfill All The Feasts. They Are Not Abolished.

[guevaraj]

your disregarding scripture context

Brother, I am not disregarding anything! The "good news" (how to enter) that God wants us to obey was heard by Joshua before David, but it did Joshua no good.

For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. (Hebrews 4:2 NLT)​

Hebrews 3 and 4 compares us (in the present) to "them" (in the desert). "Them" (in the desert) who mostly died, except those who came to the Promised Land, like Joshua. Joshua entered the Sabbath (in the Promised Land), but was unsuccessful in giving "them" (in the desert) the "rest" (the seventh day in Eden) of God because the "good news" (how to enter) cleared up with Manna for 40 years did Joshua no good. God wants us (in the present) to believe what Joshua heard that did him no good. Joshua experienced how God prevented "them" (in the desert) by "oath" from entering God's "rest" (the seventh day in Eden) with Manna near the Promised Land for 40 years. The "good news" (how to enter) that Joshua heard but did him no good opposes the Sabbath (in the Promised Land) as the seventh day of the week.

So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:6-8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Brother, I am not disregarding anything! The "good news" (how to enter) that God wants us to obey was heard by Joshua before David, but it did Joshua no good.

For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. (Hebrews 4:2 NLT)​

Hebrews 3 and 4 compares us (in the present) to "them" (in the desert). "Them" (in the desert) who mostly died, except those who came to the Promised Land, like Joshua. Joshua entered the Sabbath (in the Promised Land), but was unsuccessful in giving "them" (in the desert) the "rest" (the seventh day in Eden) of God because the "good news" (how to enter) cleared up with Manna for 40 years did Joshua no good. God wants us (in the present) to believe what Joshua heard that did him no good. Joshua experienced how God prevented "them" (in the desert) by "oath" from entering God's "rest" (the seventh day in Eden) with Manna near the Promised Land for 40 years. The "good news" (how to enter) that Joshua heard but did him no good opposes the Sabbath (in the Promised Land) as the seventh day of the week.

So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:6-8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Sorry George I do not believe you and have shown why already from the scriptures already while your only repeating yourself here, so we will have to agree to disagree as I have already told you kindly I am not interested in your teachings and shown why and many discussions from the scriptures in other threads why I believe your teachings are not biblical. So our discussion in regards to your teachings is over. I will give you the last say as I think you need it more than I do. Your post from here forwards will be ignored

Take Care

 

[guevaraj]

Sorry George I do not believe you and have shown why already from the scriptures already while your only repeating yourself here, so we will have to agree to disagree. So our discussion is over. Take Care

Brother, happy Sabbath! Judaism wrongly assumed since Joshua that the Sabbath (in the Promised Land) from evening to evening is the seventh day of the week. God by "oath" showed Joshua with Manna for "forty years" in the "wilderness" that keeping the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, as established in Genesis from morning to morning, made them "not able to enter" God's "rest" (the seventh day in Eden).

And who was it who rebelled against God, even though they heard his voice? Wasn’t it the people Moses led out of Egypt? And who made God angry for forty years? Wasn’t it the people who sinned, whose corpses lay in the wilderness? And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter his rest? Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief they were not able to enter his rest. (Hebrews 3:16-19 NLT)​

"Another day of rest" refers to correcting the Sabbath (in the Promised Land) tradition of Judaism since Joshua of wrongly assuming that the Sabbath (in the Promised Land) is a day of the week. Understanding the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 removes the conflict between a day of the week from morning to morning and the Sabbath in the Promised Land from evening to evening at issue in this scholarly paper by Amanda McGuire in 2008. The conflict disappears when you learn in Hebrews 3 and 4 that the Sabbath (in the Promised Land) is not a day of the week.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Thanks for the post. Sorry, but I couldn't follow what you were saying. Maybe we will get a chance to talk about it more in depth on a different thread. Peace be with you!

Brother, happy Sabbath! Eden is where on Earth is sunrise when the Sabbath begins in the Promise Land because the days of the week are from sunrise to sunrise, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Your post from here forwards will be ignored

Brother, happy Sabbath! You ignore me because I have the truth and you have an indefensible human tradition in light of the Scriptures. The first day is different from a Sabbath in the Promised Land. The days of creation end on a "morning" that falls in the middle of a Sabbath in the Promised Land.

There is a "morning" between those two "evenings" of the Sabbath in Leviticus that separate the halves that God called "day" and "night" on the first day in Genesis. The first day in Genesis below is from morning to morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

A previous morning to morning day of the week is confirmed in the following passage. The "night" before is the weekday before and the "night" of the current weekday is the "night" to come. Confirming a weekday from morning to morning where "night" follows "day". The weekday as defined by God in Genesis ends in the "night" from evening to morning because before was the "day" from morning to evening forming a weekday from morning to morning with an evening in the middle that divides both halves that God called "day" and "night" in that order.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath! Eden is where on Earth is sunrise when the Sabbath begins in the Promise Land because the days of the week are from sunrise to sunrise, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hi guevaraj,

Glad to hear from you.

I made a separate thread for us to talk about this, since it's kind of off topic here imo.

I'll respond to your post over there!


Eden: Location and Sunrise

 

[Torah Keeper]

Brother, happy Sabbath! You ignore me because I have the truth and you have an indefensible human tradition in light of the Scriptures. The first day is different from a Sabbath in the Promised Land. The days of creation end on a "morning" that falls in the middle of a Sabbath in the Promised Land.

There is a "morning" between those two "evenings" of the Sabbath in Leviticus that separate the halves that God called "day" and "night" on the first day in Genesis. The first day in Genesis below is from morning to morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

A previous morning to morning day of the week is confirmed in the following passage. The "night" before is the weekday before and the "night" of the current weekday is the "night" to come. Confirming a weekday from morning to morning where "night" follows "day". The weekday as defined by God in Genesis ends in the "night" from evening to morning because before was the "day" from morning to evening forming a weekday from morning to morning with an evening in the middle that divides both halves that God called "day" and "night" in that order.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

It appears you are hung up on the "morning to morning sabbath". There are literally dozens of verses to prove 24 hour days begin at sunset. Just look online. Or better yet, read the Bible.

You are forgetting the evening(dark) was first on the first day. Before Yahweh created light to lighten the Earth, He already created the Heavens and the Earth. Angels had already been created according to the Book of Job, and the Holy Spirit moved on the surface of the ocean.

All of this occured on the first 24 hour day, during the night, before the daylight portion began.

Then, God said, "Hayah or" and light existed. There was evening(first), then morning. The first day. The waw or vav in Hebrew is a prefix that is usually translated as "and". But is more accurately translated as "after that". So, there was evening, and after that, there was morning.

Nehemiah orders the gates of Jerusalem to be shut before sunset, because the Sabbath was approaching and people continued to work. He was fed up with the merchants and workers going through the gate so he ordered it shut just before the Sabbath. But some merchants camped outside the gate, hoping to sell stuff in the night. Nehemiah scolded them for it. But according to the false "sunrise sabbath" theory, shutting the gates before sunset wouldn't matter because it wouldn't be sabbath until sunrise, so why was Nehemiah angry at the merchants for trying to sell during the night? The gate should have been closed before sunrise if the "sunrise sabbath" is correct.

There are so many verses about days beginning at sunset I could write a book of them. Take Atonement for example. Obviously it is from sunset to sunset. Or all the verses in Leviticus about being unclean until sunset. Or the NT verses about people coming to be healed by Christ after sunset.

I urge you to reconsider this teaching and observe the proper Sabbath, from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.

 

[Torah Keeper]

The pattern of creation is an image of time. Out of darkness comes light. Darkness comes first(our dark age of sin), then light comes after(eternal happiness). The 24 day ends and begins at it's most beautiful point, sunset.

God obviously chose the best time of day to reset the 24 hour clock. Sunrise would seem equally good at first, until you consider that morning fog would obscure the sunrise in many parts of the world, as it does where I live. And Israel could easily see the sunset over the sea, but the foggy mountains to the east more often obscured sunrise. Even here the Smoky Mountains are named because of the thick fog that is almost always at sunrise.

Anyone living near a river or lake can see morning fog. Sunset makes the most sense.

I know it is weird for people going by midnight or sunrise, but sunset is Biblical.

 

[guevaraj]

There are literally dozens of verses to prove 24 hour days begin at sunset.

Brother, show me one that does not refer to the Sabbath in the Promised Land like the one shown below. The "night" before is the weekday before and the "night" of the current weekday is the "night" to come. Showing a weekday from morning to morning, where "night" follows "day".

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

The weekday as defined by God in Genesis ends in the "night" from evening to morning because before was the "day" from morning to evening forming a weekday from morning to morning with an evening in the middle that divides both halves that God called "day" and "night" in that order.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Torah Keeper]

Brother, show me one that does not refer to the Sabbath in the Promised Land like the one shown below. The "night" before is the weekday before and the "night" of the current weekday is the "night" to come. Showing a weekday from morning to morning, where "night" follows "day".

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

The weekday as defined by God in Genesis ends in the "night" from evening to morning because before was the "day" from morning to evening forming a weekday from morning to morning with an evening in the middle that divides both halves that God called "day" and "night" in that order.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Lol. You basically ignored everything I said. Maybe you should read it again.

Yes night follows day.
And day follows night.
But the Sabbath begins at sunset.

 

[guevaraj]

You are forgetting the evening(dark) was first on the first day.

Brother, I read it again! Your comments are the reason the human tradition persists, but these thoughts do not override what God wrote. An "evening" can only occur after the light. Before the light there was "darkness" and not an "evening", those are different words that are not interchangeable. The "evening" of the first day occurred after first light and falls in the middle of the first day. The first day in Genesis below is from morning to morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge