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They deliberately went against the will of GOD. All was theirs, yet they failed to see due to deception.Adam and Eve did not understand the difference between good and evil before they ate of the tree. Therefore, they did not commit evil deliberately. Yet they were punished. What is your explanation?
God gave them an opportunity to disobey the second commandment. Did God understand that they would disobey it without an understanding that to disobey God is evil/sin?
Would God punish someone who sins without knowledge and understanding that it was sin/evil? If a person from some tribe in Americas did not know that to worship idols and bring human sacrifice is sin/evil would God punish this ignorant of His law person?
Where does it say that it is punishment from God and not just a warning of danger?
Surely they knew death wasn't what they were experiencing. Furthermore they weren't stupid, but ignorant. Surely God didn't say "this fruit will ___.They did not know/did not understand the difference between good eternal prosperity and evil death.
It isn't about them disobeying.But they did not understand that death is evil, eternal prosperity is good.
They disobeyed in innocence. Can you punish a child who disobeys in innocence?
They deliberately went against the will of GOD. All was theirs, yet they failed to see due to deception.
They did not have to know of evil in their blissful state to know that literally all was given to them, and that the one thing they were advised against was indeed the one thing that would end their existence.
Thankfully, GOD is merciful and afforded us a means to find our way back home.
They did understand that it was wrong.They deliberately went against the will of God. I'm in full agreement with you, bud. BUT they did not understand it was wrong or evil to do so. So why was it just to punish them? Last time I'm asking or else the two of us are simply done here.
Even if they didn't yet have personal experience with good and evil, they had functioning brains that could understand a warning. That is, they understood that if they ate from that tree they would die. That was why Satan had to lie to Eve and say: "You will not die!".Adam and Eve did not understand the difference between good and evil before they ate of the tree. Therefore, they did not commit evil deliberately. Yet they were punished. What is your explanation?
Ah another thread wherein you are specifically arguing against a particular biblical literalism... Why not pick a fight with a more respectable attitude to religion?Christians: if you don't believe that the story of the garden is literal, then this thread may not be for you.
Yes, they were punished for their disobedience.I should have said that they were unable to understand the difference between good and evil until after eating of the tree. Now that it is worded properly, do you have an answer?
I agree.
But there is a difference between
1)disobeying with understanding that disobeying is evil/bad/wrong and
and
2)disobeying without this kind of understanding.
2 year old child knows that mama said :"do not touch it, do not put this in your mouth", but 2 year old can not comprehend that it is wrong to disobey mama.
2 year old is not going to be punished. Even earthly parents understand that it is ridiculous to punish 2 year old for disobedience.
Yes, they disobeyed but their disobedience was not a sin it was a TRANSGRESSION (wasn't it a transgression according to the Bible)?
Yes, they were punished for their disobedience.
Is the knowledge of good and evil the same as knowing right from wrong or knowing good from bad? The scriptures show that Eve knew that eating from the tree that God forbade them to do was a bad thing. Eve said:
(Gen 3:3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
It wasn’t until the serpent cast doubt in what God had said, “thou shalt surely die”, that Eve examined the tree and saw it was good. If Eve was unaware that eating the fruit was bad or wrong then why did the serpent need to trick her into eating it? Eve chose to eat after being told it was a good thing to do by the serpent. Indeed when she examined the tree she saw the fruit was “good for food”. Eve chose to do what God told her not to do. That is called disobedience.
Ah another thread wherein you are specifically arguing against a particular biblical literalism... Why not pick a fight with a more respectable attitude to religion?
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil seems to be the thing which has given mankind the distinction between good and evil. So if Adam and Eve were unaware of good and evil, or at least the significance of such things, then why did God punishment them for their disobedience? Please explain how this story makes sense. If it doesn't make sense, and you believe it is a literal story, then where do you go from there?
Atheists: please allow the premise that the story of the garden is literal history and not a myth.
Christians: if you don't believe that the story of the garden is literal, then this thread may not be for you.
Even if they didn't yet have personal experience with good and evil, they had functioning brains that could understand a warning. That is, they understood that if they ate from that tree they would die. That was why Satan had to lie to Eve and say: "You will not die!".
They did understand that it was wrong.
And instead of utterly destroying them, he gave them, and all man an opportunity.
The best protection of humans are when they are as innocent as a child. A child won't be subject to the judgment of any Law. However, after man can tell good from evil, it means that Law applies and God has to do what the Law says.
If they truly understood they would die, and if they truly understood what death is, then WHY on this magnificent earth would they do it?
The fact is that they were unaware of good and evil and they were deceived by a clever, ancient, malicious being (he was there why exactly?), and then they were punished for it.
Adam and Eve were hardly IGNORANT as there is no question that they knew what they did was wrong BEFORE they did it. And once they did what God had personally and specifically told them not to do, they were no longer INNOCENT.
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