Child Marriage Ban Bill Defeated in West Virginia House

[seeking.IAM]

Are you both the same as you were at 18?

Oh, no.

 

[Pommer]

Marrying children is just "the way things are?" Seems pretty sickening that we can't even allow them to turn 18 before selling our daughters.

Marriage is not a Constitutional issue, it is left to the States, as such there’ll be different laws in the several states. That’s the way it is. I did not have anything to do with these state of affairs and am only explaining my understanding of the issue at hand. Have a great night.

 

[Hammster]

Oh, no.

That invalidates your argument.

 

[rturner76]

Marriage is not a Constitutional issue, it is left to the States, as such there’ll be different laws in the several states. That’s the way it is. I did not have anything to do with these state of affairs and am only explaining my understanding of the issue at hand. Have a great night.

I am just wondering how in some states it would be statutory rape and in some states, you can sell your child bride to an old man.

 

[Hammster]

I am just wondering how in some states it would be statutory rape and in some states, you can sell your child bride to an old man.

I’m pretty sure chattel slavery is illegal.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

That invalidates your argument.

Aside from the fact that we've designated 18 as the age of majority.

In other words, the existing law creates an exception, allowing children to marry before they are legal adults. Without solid justification, I see no reason why that exception should exist - and no one has been able to provide any. The only attempt so far has been the insinuation that parents own their children, and therefore can decide for them whether they're ready for marriage. Which is just...eww.

 

[Hammster]

Aside from the fact that we've designated 18 as the age of majority.

In other words, the existing law creates an exception, allowing children to marry before they are legal adults. Without solid justification, I see no reason why that exception should exist - and no one has been able to provide any. The only attempt so far has been the insinuation that parents own their children, and therefore can decide for them whether they're ready for marriage. Which is just...eww.

That has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.

 

[rturner76]

I’m pretty sure chattel slavery is illegal.

But it's not illegal to sell your daughter it seems

 

[RocksInMyHead]

That has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.

On the contrary. An argument that people are not mature enough at 16 to be married is not invalidated by the idea that they are also not mature enough at 18 because the law allowing them to marry at 16 is an exception to the law that says that that people become adults and are able to do "adult things" (like get married) at 18. If we made the age of majority, say, 21, then yes, you'd have a point. But it's 18, so until we pass a law that raises the age of majority or raises the age at which people can marry, the maturity and readiness for marriage of 18-year-olds is irrelevant to a discussion of whether or not 16-year-olds should be allowed to get married.

 

[Pommer]

On the contrary. An argument that people are not mature enough at 16 to be married is not invalidated by the idea that they are also not mature enough at 18 because the law allowing them to marry at 16 is an exception to the law that says that that people become adults and are able to do "adult things" (like get married) at 18. If we made the age of majority, say, 21, then yes, you'd have a point. But it's 18, so until we pass a law that raises the age of majority or raises the age at which people can marry, the maturity and readiness for marriage of 18-year-olds is irrelevant to a discussion of whether or not 16-year-olds should be allowed to get married.

My grandfather was born in 1877 (146 years), He was 25 when he married, she was 18.
That was the Generation before The Greatest Generation. They saw the changes between railroads being the King Industry; the initial boom of the oil-economy; the horses that humans had had need for for three-thousand years were simply “gone”, they lived in a world that had had only natural electromagnetic waves suddenly (zero in 1877, to radio and television bombarding the atmosphere with delightful radiations since the early 1900’s, (“Pap” keeled in 1955)).
When the remains of our planet are discovered in the far far future, they might find that we’d accidentally overdosed on the “LSD of the electromagnetic-spectrum”?

 

[JacksBratt]

It is for Christians who believe marriage is no one should separate what God has joined.

I understand... but.. if someone at 14 marries and finds out that this was a mistake... they can reverse it... You can't unscramble an egg from chemical castration or gender surgery...

 

[Hammster]

But it's not illegal to sell your daughter it seems

It is.

 

[rturner76]

It is.

In many of these child bride situations, the girl has been sold to the old man. You seem to approve of these situations....Why? Do you not think that little girls have the right to give their virginity to a boy their own age or is it better to sell it to an old man? That seems inhumane.

 

[Hammster]

In many of these child bride situations, the girl has been sold to the old man. You seem to approve of these situations....Why? Do you not think that little girls have the right to give their virginity to a boy their own age or is it better to sell it to an old man? That seems inhumane.

Many? Really? Let me see this data where this is happens in W. VA.

 

[rturner76]

Many? Really? Let me see this data where this is happens in W. VA.

Check out what these guys have to say about child brides. Why should a 14-year-old be sold to some old man?

Child Marriage in West Virginia - Unchained At Last

helping women leave arranged/forced marriages

www.unchainedatlast.org

 

[dogs4thewin]

They are not but being coerced into a marriage with an old man is not a good look ehticaly. Getting married at age 16 under your parents direction, especially when it's a financial arrangement is just flat out child abuse. Maybe they approve of that in GA but not in my state where children have the right to avoid being a child bride.

Ok, so let them marry at age 18, under that, you are marrying an adult to a child. I don't think GA approves of child abuse but it seems that when you can sell your daughter to an old man as a 16-year-old. It's child abuse. Do you approve of child brides?

Again, it is a state issue. Who said that 18 is an adult? The age of majority while usually 18 is actually largely a state by state issue which is why three states have higher age minimums two 19 one 21. On the federal level yes the age is 18 for things like voting, military service and the like, but on state issues it is actually on the state to decide when a person may engage in certain activities. In fact, in some cases like drinking alcohol the federal government allows the states to set the age, but if they go below the age the federal government set ( 21) then they lose federal funding for things like roads; since most states cannot or at the very least do not want to make up the difference the drinking age is 21 everywhere in the country. By the same token the max BAC is .08 is when the government says you are under the influence and can get a DUI no matter how safely you were driving (yet in Utah the legal limit is .05 Utah is allowed to do that because for the most part laws like that are a state issue.

 

[Hammster]

Check out what these guys have to say about child brides. Why should a 14-year-old be sold to some old man?

Child Marriage in West Virginia - Unchained At Last

helping women leave arranged/forced marriages

www.unchainedatlast.org

So nothing widespread.

 

[mark46]

For example, in California, if an 18-year old has sex with a 17-year old, they can be convicted of statutory rape. I think that's absurd. While I'm not for encouraging teenage sex, I'm also not naive and I know that it happens. It is ridiculous to charge someone with rape in those cases. Even if the 17-year old is the initiator and consents, it's STILL considered statutory rape in California.

This law makes no sense at all.

Jailing 17 and 18 year old for having sex is just plain wrong.

Allowing parents to "consent" to marrying off girls under 17 is also very wrong. We should not be living under sharia laws (yes, I know that there are other religious groups that accept marriage of those under 16).

 

[rturner76]

Again, it is a state issue. Who said that 18 is an adult? The age of majority while usually 18 is actually largely a state by state issue which is why three states have higher age minimums two 19 one 21. On the federal level yes the age is 18 for things like voting, military service and the like, but on state issues it is actually on the state to decide when a person may engage in certain activities. In fact, in some cases like drinking alcohol the federal government allows the states to set the age, but if they go below the age the federal government set ( 21) then they lose federal funding for things like roads; since most states cannot or at the very least do not want to make up the difference the drinking age is 21 everywhere in the country. By the same token the max BAC is .08 is when the government says you are under the influence and can get a DUI no matter how safely you were driving (yet in Utah the legal limit is .05 Utah is allowed to do that because for the most part laws like that are a state issue.

So are you saying that states should be allowed to sell their children to old men?

 

[rturner76]

So nothing widespread.

Then it's okay to sell children to old men for their sexual gratification? I don't understand why you seem to support children being sold as child brides. Is this like a down south or Bible Belt thing because it seems inhumane to me? Adults should marry adults not children in my opinion