Chemtrails

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Has anyone been following the chemtrail research? I notice the planes spraying almost everday. We live in scary times.
Wt

 

[Goonie]

Has anyone been following the chemtrail research? I notice the planes spraying almost everday. We live in scary times.
Wt

There is nothing scary about condensed water, which is what contrails are. There is zero evidence for 'chemtrails' for one thing any chemicals being dumped from 30,000+ feet would be dispersed to the point of being useless. There are so many things wrong with this conspiracy, good source to look at can be found here http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails#Chemtrail_conspiracies_make_no_sense

 

[wtrailer]

The problem with your response is that contrails do NOT last in the air for very long and certainly not as long as the chemtrails I have seen with my own eyes. These trails expand and create a milky white canopy that hovers above the sky. Pay attention to the sky. You will notice that it is more often white behind the natural clouds and not blue. There are also lots of videos on YouTube showing the trails being turned on and off in mid flight which of course is a scientific impossibility if it were simply condensation. There are also close-up videos of the nozzles. Normal planes don't create grid patterns in the sky which I've seen multiple times.

Geoengineering (weather-manipulation) seems to be one theory as there are lots of documents supporting this. There are also links to H.A.A.R.P.
Wt

 

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Those who do tests on rainwater after high amounts of spraying find an incredibly unusual amount of aluminum and barium deposits in the rainwater. Some researchers say this is SRM (solar radiation management) to fill the sky with metal particulates to reflect the sun away from the earth. Aluminum has also been linked to Alzheimer's disease.
Wt

 

[wtrailer]

Also, you have to be careful with your sources of information, as do I. Not only did Snowden leak the information that Chemtrails were being used as an exotic military weapon but he also leaked the that there are several government disinformation agents on the internet spreading lies to confuse the public.
Wt

 

[Edial]

Some chemtrails are clearly not vapor. They just stay in the air for a long time.
I read there is barium and alluminum in it.
What is the purpose for spraying? There has to be a reason.

 

[Isaacsname]

Weather modification experiments have been going on for over 100 years, starting in the early 1900's, and taking off with the discovery of cloud-seeding in the 1940's

I have read through the various debates on " chemtrails " and seen all the videos, but the big thing I've noted is that the conspiracy theory people almost never understand science, physics, or math, which are the 3 things needed to have a rational discussion of the topics, imo.

Slick YouTube videos with dramatic music sway far too many minds

Honestly though, if we want to talk about potentially changing earth's weather through chemical means, we should discuss things that are a far worse problem than jet exhaust

Take a look at these google results for smog

Precisely why I have never owned a motor vehicle

 

[Edial]

Weather modification experiments have been going on for over 100 years, starting in the early 1900's, and taking off with the discovery of cloud-seeding in the 1940's

I have read through the various debates on " chemtrails " and seen all the videos, but the big thing I've noted is that the conspiracy theory people almost never understand science, physics, or math, which are the 3 things needed to have a rational discussion of the topics, imo.

Slick YouTube videos with dramatic music sway far too many minds

Honestly though, if we want to talk about potentially changing earth's weather through chemical means, we should discuss things that are a far worse problem than jet exhaust

Take a look at these google results for smog

Precisely why I have never owned a motor vehicle

I have done my share looking into weather modification and there is even an agreement between governments that cloud seeding may no longer be used against another nation in non-war conditions. That happened after the Korean war.
Remember the Forrest Gump movie? He walks through the creek with the platoon and then it started raining and did not stop for 6 months. That was a part of weather warfare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Concerning Chemtrails, I am really curious why they have aluminum and barium in the sprays. I am not saying it is for evil purposes or not. Not every conspiracy is evil.

Concerning smog.
Wow, this is really a problem. It never even entered my mind to study this topic - too many topics.
But is smog a conspiracy or just a problem that needs to be taken care of?

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Goonie]

Also, you have to be careful with your sources of information, as do I. Not only did Snowden leak the information that Chemtrails were being used as an exotic military weapon but he also leaked the that there are several government disinformation agents on the internet spreading lies to confuse the public.
Wt

True, but the same applys to your sources, even more so I suspect, especially if this was one of them
http://chronicle.su/2013/07/11/snowden-uncovers-shocking-truth-behind-chemtrails/

 

[Isaacsname]

I don't really think there are as many conspiracies as people would like there to be, maybe more like there's an excess of information in the modern age and people spend too much time filling their minds with fluff instead of seriously educating themselves on a topic

Is it a conspiracy, or is it just ignorance on our part ?

Obviously the information is available to the public

That chemtrail theorists are usually talking about other extremely strange " conspiracies " doesn't help the case, in fact you could make a " conspiracy " about anything in the industry if you looked hard enough

What about, for example, the Pseudomonas aeruginosa that eats aviation fuel ?

It is commonly found in aviation fuel, yet is a dangerous bacteria, sickening and killing animals and humans worldwide, and it's in the very same fuel they are using in the engines of the jets ....egads

In fact, there are about 250+ kinds of bacteria commonly found living in aviation fuel, so many that in fact they have to add a chemical to aviation fuel to prevent bacteria from eating not only the fuel, but the rubber / polymer parts and some alloys inside the engine ( by way of various chemical processes )

Throw a few vague terms like " genetic engineering " in there and the conspiracy theorist has a real humdimger of a story that could lead the lay-person to buy just about anything

Now, I don't believe that people don't conspire, and I don't think that secrets aren't kept, but at some point you have to start separating fact from fiction. Most people I have encountered talking about chemtrails want it all to be true ( for various reasons ), it's not that they understand what they are trying to tell people about, and when you accept something as true merely because you want it to be true, this is confirmation bias....etc etc...faulty logic....lack of reasoning....yada yada....you see probably where I am going with this

Even if there are people doing experiments with weather modification,...( no big deal imo, given that nature is too chaotic to control or predict for more than a few days at best, due to practically infinite degrees of freedom ) .....I just honestly feel like we have far bigger fish to fry in the modern age

 

[Edial]

I don't really think there are as many conspiracies as people would like there to be, maybe more like there's an excess of information in the modern age and people spend too much time filling their minds with fluff instead of seriously educating themselves on a topic

Is it a conspiracy, or is it just ignorance on our part ?

Obviously the information is available to the public

That chemtrail theorists are usually talking about other extremely strange " conspiracies " doesn't help the case, in fact you could make a " conspiracy " about anything in the industry if you looked hard enough

What about, for example, the Pseudomonas aeruginosa that eats aviation fuel ?

It is commonly found in aviation fuel, yet is a dangerous bacteria, sickening and killing animals and humans worldwide, and it's in the very same fuel they are using in the engines of the jets ....egads

In fact, there are about 250+ kinds of bacteria commonly found living in aviation fuel, so many that in fact they have to add a chemical to aviation fuel to prevent bacteria from eating not only the fuel, but the rubber / polymer parts and some alloys inside the engine ( by way of various chemical processes )

Throw a few vague terms like " genetic engineering " in there and the conspiracy theorist has a real humdimger of a story that could lead the lay-person to buy just about anything

Now, I don't believe that people don't conspire, and I don't think that secrets aren't kept, but at some point you have to start separating fact from fiction. Most people I have encountered talking about chemtrails want it all to be true ( for various reasons ), it's not that they understand what they are trying to tell people about, and when you accept something as true merely because you want it to be true, this is confirmation bias....etc etc...faulty logic....lack of reasoning....yada yada....you see probably where I am going with this

Even if there are people doing experiments with weather modification,...( no big deal imo, given that nature is too chaotic to control or predict for more than a few days at best, due to practically infinite degrees of freedom ) .....I just honestly feel like we have far bigger fish to fry in the modern age

thank you for this post.
I agree with everything you said.

Some people choose a conspiratorial train of thought in everything.
Then there are true conspiracies that are evil in nature.
And some that look evil, but are covered up to prevent a bigger problem.
9/11 story clearly has more holes than Swiss cheese.
However, the fact that some seemingly "stupid government" information is planted, like they found the passports of the hijackers makes one understand that this is exactly what the coverup folks want you to think ... "stupid government expects me to believe that the passports magically flew out of the burning planes and Kerik found them on the ground ... Ha! I am smarter than that!".

So it is complicated. Besides every public figure such as a President has image maker and take acting lessons and play a role of a "smart" president or a "dumb" president.

Then some information clearly cannot be shared with general population because they will panic.

There is this balance ...
We can either be this ...

... or this ...

Columbo is a preferred choice.

 

[brinny]

*subscribing*

 

[Edial]

Because of course there are.

I have a second hand orgone generator. Absolutely guaranteed to keep you safe from chemtrails and HAARP. PM me if interested.

Please look at the rules stickied in this forum.

Please do not ridicule people's opinions on matters that are widely questioned.

 

[Edial]

Correct. So maybe you should take a swipe at the person trying to use it as a case study, rather than me for pointing out that their claim made no sense, hmm?

If you cut out sarcasm and ridiculing people maybe we can continue with this.
If not this part of CF might not be for you.

 

[Bassmode]

There is nothing scary about condensed water, which is what contrails are. There is zero evidence for 'chemtrails' for one thing any chemicals being dumped from 30,000+ feet would be dispersed to the point of being useless. There are so many things wrong with this conspiracy, good source to look at can be found here http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails#Chemtrail_conspiracies_make_no_sense

Hmmm If it is condensed water ! What is all this gear in the plane ! Looks a bit like a spray factory if you ask me, Also condensed water dissipates rather quickly whereas these chemtrails last for hours. Check this out for yourself

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/great-shot-of-inside-chemtrail-airplane

 

[Goonie]

Hmmm If it is condensed water ! What is all this gear in the plane ! Looks a bit like a spray factory if you ask me, Also condensed water dissipates rather quickly whereas these chemtrails last for hours. Check this out for yourself

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/great-shot-of-inside-chemtrail-airplane

I think the link answers itself, ballast barrels, used to simulate passengers.

The website rationalwiki gives a good piece on this. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chemtrails

 

[The Cadet]

The problem with your response is that contrails do NOT last in the air for very long and certainly not as long as the chemtrails I have seen with my own eyes. These trails expand and create a milky white canopy that hovers above the sky.

Actually, the condensation of contrails into clouds is a well-understood phenomenon based on how moisture in the upper atmosphere interacts with aerosols in jet exhaust. Whether a jet contrail expands into a cirrus cloud depends on the temperature and moisture in the atmosphere around it.

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/science.php

None of this is new or controversial.

There are also lots of videos on YouTube showing the trails being turned on and off in mid flight which of course is a scientific impossibility if it were simply condensation.

Seeing as it depends on the moisture and temperature of the air, no, it is not scientifically impossible. The air is not uniformly moist, and you need a low enough temperature and a high enough moisture for contrails to form. In fact, we'd expect this sort of patchy pattern.

Those who do tests on rainwater after high amounts of spraying find an incredibly unusual amount of aluminum and barium deposits in the rainwater.

Cite please?

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/great-shot-of-inside-chemtrail-airplane

There is no source given for those photos. I have no idea where those are from. Care to share the source?

 

[trunks2k]

There is no source given for those photos. I have no idea where those are from. Care to share the source?

The top one is ballast barrels for test flights, meant to simulate changes in weight distribution, though the link discounts it as that because they are not set up to look like the way passengers are sitting (which is, of course, not necessary to do).

The second one is an old DC-4 equipped as a bug sprayer. The image comes from this story: http://www.semissourian.com/story/1741033.html

ETA: Sorry, it seems that was converted as an "oil sprayer" something to do with fighting an oil spill in the gulf. It might have been a bug sprayer but was being used as an oil sprayer when the pictures were taken. Here's a little more about that particular plane http://www.semissourian.com/story/1739871.html

The last one (the one with big white tanks that have "warning rupture disk area") is from the internals of a 747 super tanker, which is used for aerial firefighting. The tanks in the picture contain fire retardant. This is what it looks like when it is released:

 

[essentialsaltes]

"Has anyone been following the chemtrail research?"

Is there any 'research'? So far we have people pointing at things in the sky, several misidentified planes, and people making thousandfold errors in barium content in water found in their backyard.

What you see day in and day out is contrails. Unless you live in farmland or forest fire land.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Maybe the airplanes are the angels pouring out their vials into the air and its all a good thing?

(Im kidding) could be fairy dust