Chemo therepy a ripoff?

[Hector Medina]

Howdy,

It sounds to me like like chemo therepy dosen't really kill cancer and has too high of a side effect.


I think you wish to treat cancer you should use:

health foods
vitamins(like B-17)
mineral supplements
Surgery
Chinese methods(does anyone know about these??)

I think the Goverment/Hospitals are greedy,think of how much hospital space and money would be gone if we stopped using Chemo.


"For the love of money is the root of all evil."

In Christ,

Hector

 

[OutletOverkill]

Health foods, huh? Right......is your signature serious?

 

[ZiSunka]

Originally posted by Hector Medina
Howdy,

It sounds to me like like chemo therepy dosen't really kill cancer and has too high of a side effect.


I think you wish to treat cancer you should use:

health foods
vitamins(like B-17)
mineral supplements
Surgery
Chinese methods(does anyone know about these??)

I think the Goverment/Hospitals are greedy,think of how much hospital space and money would be gone if we stopped using Chemo.


"For the love of money is the root of all evil."

In Christ,

Hector

Unfortunately, a dear friend of mine tried these alternative treatments, and they did nothing to stop the cancer. She died within a few months of diagnosis. Doctors said she might have been cured, or at least have had her life extended by use of more standard therapies. She left behind small daughters and a husband.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Originally posted by Hector Medina
Howdy,

It sounds to me like like chemo therepy dosen't really kill cancer and has too high of a side effect.


I think you wish to treat cancer you should use:

health foods
vitamins(like B-17)
mineral supplements
Surgery
Chinese methods(does anyone know about these??)

I think the Goverment/Hospitals are greedy,think of how much hospital space and money would be gone if we stopped using Chemo.


"For the love of money is the root of all evil."

In Christ,

Hector

I doubt insurance companies would pay for unproven treatment methods. Since they are the one's holding the purse strings, I think their financial self-interest will win out over the interest of hospitals.

 

[Erwin]

Chemotherapy does kill cancer cells. That's why they were invented. Survival for childhood leukaemia since chemotherapy has increased to over 90% (from a survival rate of almost zero). I've worked in pediatric oncology - I have first hand experience. Adult cancers are harder to treat, but chemotherapy does improve survival without a doubt.

 

[paulewog]

I think the health foods.... extremely rigirous diet, by the way, it's NOT easy or fun... can defeinitely work some 'wonders' that doctors don't think they can. My mom and dad also believe this... rather recently been 'converted' Mom is a nurse and dad is a doc, by the way.

There are several stories about it, but one of them in particular .... a woman had cancer, they removed the tumor, but it grew back. It soon was ... er, huge. Pretty gross The doctors basically sent her home to die... one surgeon was willing to cut part of the tumor out, just so it wouldn't look as bad for her remaining time. She went on an extremely strict diet.... as in like eating a LOT of raw vegetables and vitamins and pretty mcuh every gross healthy food (like spinach) you can think of

Eventually she cured herself.... not without a struggle, but a lot better than just sitting back and dieing Several times she stopped breathing and things like that.

hm. I think her name is Dr. Day... I don't remmeber the first name, it's not Dorris though.

Chemotherapy .... it kills pretty muich everything, doesn't it? As does radiation.

 

[eldermike]

I know a young engineer that beat leukaemia while in college. He had to miss some time due to weakness but for the most part kept up his work. He is as fit as they come today, beautiful wife and a new baby. Praise God for His work in the area of cancer treatment, including Chemotherapy.

And praise God for Doctors.

Blessings

 

[Lacmeh]

Chemotherapy works for tratment of cancer.
I guess Hector, Paulewog have no idea what chemotherapy does.
Before you say, that it doesn´t work, look up the FDA regulations, GMP, GLP, GCP regulations. And look up, ehat the chemo medications actually do.

 

[paulewog]

Actually, my dad is a doc, mom is a nurse. Even before they are more into health food stuff, they knew chemo therapy killed EVERYTHING, not just the bad bacteria.

FDA? The FDA was thinking about allowing marijuana even. The FDA has allowed many drugs that are harmful... including abortion pills. Abortion pills can permanently harm ummmmm birth-organs... yet they aren't illegal.

Not everything the government allows is good at all

 

[lucypevensie]

After reading Lance Armstrong's book I am now convinced that chemotherapy is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yes, we would do well to eat good foods, take the vitamins and minerals and all that. It can only help!

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by lucypevensie
After reading Lance Armstrong's book I am now convinced that chemotherapy is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yes, we would do well to eat good foods, take the vitamins and minerals and all that. It can only help!

I would agree with that, But there is new drugs that are in making that kill alot of cancers

 

[paulewog]

Only help? Hehe, no kidding.

One can get very, very sick on the typical American diet..

There are enw drugs, yeah, but I wonder what side effects they'll have. It's like those allergy medicines... "side effects include runny or itchy nose, sore throat, itchy throat, ear infection, blah blah blah" ... I'm waiting for them to announce a "Side effect may include death."

 

[paulewog]

(on that note, you'd be surprised what's in your average foods...... lots and lots and lots of stuff that you'd barely even be able to pronounce )

 

[Lacmeh]

Paulewog, do you even know, what the FDA does and under which regulations?
If not, look it up. It´s all readable in the Federal regulations.
I guess, it really makes sense to develop medications, which costs 500 million dollars and upward to have it rejected then by FDA because of no efficay.

 

[MizDoulos]

Originally posted by paulewog


There are several stories about it, but one of them in particular .... a woman had cancer, they removed the tumor, but it grew back. It soon was ... er, huge. Pretty gross The doctors basically sent her home to die... one surgeon was willing to cut part of the tumor out, just so it wouldn't look as bad for her remaining time. She went on an extremely strict diet.... as in like eating a LOT of raw vegetables and vitamins and pretty mcuh every gross healthy food (like spinach) you can think of

Eventually she cured herself.... not without a struggle, but a lot better than just sitting back and dieing Several times she stopped breathing and things like that.

hm. I think her name is Dr. Day... I don't remmeber the first name, it's not Dorris though.

Chemotherapy .... it kills pretty muich everything, doesn't it? As does radiation.

Her first name is Lorraine. She has an incredible story of being cured from breast cancer that was at Stage 4, if I remember correctly. She was almost on her death bed at the time she began a natural, holistic form of therapy. Dr. Day is a medical doctor, once being the head of a department at San Francisco Hospital years ago. She no longer practices, but has a powerful story to tell.

 

[paulewog]

Paulewog, do you even know, what the FDA does and under which regulations?
If not, look it up. It´s all readable in the Federal regulations.
I guess, it really makes sense to develop medications, which costs 500 million dollars and upward to have it rejected then by FDA because of no efficay.

I know for a fact that many medicines are bad, especially abortion ones. Chemotherapy is not SAFE. Radiation is not SAFE. For that matter, pesticides aren't safe

The FDA has taken drugs OFF their good-list .... how did they get on there in the first place?

Yeah, Loraine, that's it! hehe, amazing, someone else actually knows about her

 

[MSBS]

Safe? I guess it depends on perspective. The drugs they use in chemotherapy are extremely toxic. They are toxic to just about all cells. They idea behind there use is that because cancer cells devide at such a high rate they will be the first to die off. So then, you basically poison the person and kill off the most rapidly deviding cells. Many normal cells die too, and this is why there are such severe side effects. Radiation therapy is based on the same idea. What is hoped with this kind of treatment is that the cancer cells die before the patient dies. It's a harsh nasty course of treatment-- but it does work for many people.

The reason the FDA would remove drugs off the "good" list is because new drugs have been discovered are more effective and cause fewer side effects, therefore the reasons that the others were used, with all of their tradeoffs, are no longer as compelling.

As for the cures that happen based on a change of diet, etc., I think you'll find that the outcome is much better with alternative treatment plus conventional treatment. You can look at cancer as being the results of a failure of the immune system. Your immune system can a does destroy abnormal cells all of the time. Cancer cells somehow subvert this mechanism. Many things can lead to this, but part of it could be a supressed immune system caused by bad diet, psychological stress, etc, etc. Changing your habits can boost your body's natural defences and lead to better health outcomes-- doctors have known this for a long time, and oncologists will many times recomend dietary changes/supliments as well as psychological support. They'll even recomend going to church for the fellowship and support.

 

[Lacmeh]

Pauelwog. you still post about something you refuse to inform yourself upon.
There is no medication allowed, that doesn´t work.
There is no medical treatmetn allowed, that doesn´t work.
There is no new medication allowed, that doesn´t pove to have more efficacy or lesser side effects.
There is no new medical treatment allowed, that doesn´t have lesser side effects or better efficacy.
Look up the laws of your country. It might enlighten you.

And please show me one safe medication. With absolute no possible side effects.

It all depends on the illness treated. For treating something like a cold, giving out heavy antibiotika which destroy other helpful bacteria, too, would be quite inapprobiate.
Treating cancer with medications, that inhibit cell multiplikation, that gives seere side effects, is quite approbiate. Since the side effects are nothing compared to the effects of nontreatment.

Which medications are bad? Those to which you don´t aggree for religious reasons? You are aware of the fact, that there exists an ethic commission, that oversees testing of medications, independant fo the FDA. If this commission doesn´t agree, that this medication should be tested, then it isn´t tested, despite its possible helpful effects.

 

[Gunny]

Originally posted by Hector Medina

It sounds to me like like chemo therepy dosen't really kill cancer and has too high of a side effect.
I think the Goverment/Hospitals are greedy,think of how much hospital space and money would be gone if we stopped using Chemo.

My mother presently has terminal cancer. She originally developed lung cancer approx. 3 1/2 years ago. Course of TX: Left Upper Lobectomy, radiotion tx and chemo-therapy tx.

Results: It appeared the cancer went into remission up until March of last year at which time my mother discovered she had a cancerous tumor that had engulfed her right kidney. It was not kidney cancer but the lung cancer that had metasized to her kidney. Very rare according to Oncologists, lung cancer usually metasizes to the liver and/or bladder.

My mother was told statisically by Oncologists and Radiologists(including my Christian cousin who is a Radiologist at the Anderson Cancer Center in Texas) that she would probally be dead by the end of 2001.

My mother began a chemo-therapy regimen in June of 2001 and is still on a three week on/one week off cycle of Gemzar.

Prognosis: The Oncologists and Radiologists(Cousin included) are rather suprised my mother is still alive for her last P.E.T. Scan revealed cancer present in both lungs, stomach and upper back. The doctors have concluded that the chem-therapy is basically buying her time. She has a quality of life that still allows to drive occasionally, go out to eat with myself or my sister(my mother's only surviving family at present- my father died last March days after my mother found out about re-occurence of cancer).

Perodic C.A.T. Scans are showing slow growth of the cancer in the above mentioned areas of her body. One small tumor was killed according to the doctors due to the chemo-therapy. The tumor was approx. the size of a golf ball. Brief radiation tx was given in this area.

What have I learned from watching my mother go through this battle with cancer?

I'm thankful to God my dear mother came to know Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior last March when my father(a Christian) was dying in the hospital.

I have been to Cancer Support Group meetings with my mother and I was blown away by the fight, determination, faith and resolve of individuals battling with cancer.

You think life is tough? Life is gravy compared to the plight of individuals in the battle of their life againist the nemesis of cancer.

I say chemo, surgery, and radiation tx all have their place in aiding individuals survivng or dying due to cancer.

 

[Hector Medina]

paulewog,

You seem very rational in your posts.
Dont listen to Lacmeh.
I've debated with him on things before and after a while I landed up seeing some pretty stupid refutations.
I think he tries to brainwash people.


In Christ,

Hector