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Hmmm....But you shouldn't shoehorn the resurrection quite in there...
Because it is Jesus' death that appeases God's Wrath, not the resurrection.
The resurrection is the assurance for man in Christ to live.
hmmAppeasing God's wrath is one interpretation of the death and resurrection of Christ, but by no means the only one. A more mainstream view is that of reconciliation.
I am wanting to make a short video (~1-2 minute) with a concise, dense, accurate message of the gospel.I am aware it's possible to mistakenly write things which aren't true, which is why I'm asking this. My memory of specific verses isn't very good so making sure/biblically proving, all of which I am wanting to write is true is somewhat hard. Mishandling Gods word greatly worries me and I don't want to mistakenly eisegesis verses when I come to research/quote verses to back up this. The following script is what I've wrote so far and is the essence of the gospel how I've understood it from reading the bible and listening to sermons over the years. I would like as much people, preferably reformed/orthodox, to look at what I've wrote, tell me if I need correction, or need to add anything in? I want it to flow as logically and biblically as possible in a concise short fashion.
Man sinned against God
The nature of sin is infinitely evil, evidenced by the majesty of whom it’s against.
God is morally perfect in justice; the judgement of sin can’t be eternally postponed, which would be to disregard sin hence invalidate Gods justice.
The result of God’s justice and man’s sin is divine wrath.
Divine Wrath is the application of justice through retribution according to each’s deeds
Only God’s infinite worthiness could account for the atonement of the infinite weight our of sin.
God clothed himself in flesh so that he could physically bear Gods wrath
Therefore, Jesus’ death appeased the wrath of god for those who by faith repent and trust the propitiation provided by Jesus.
This was a free act of Grace, not deserved nor achievable, but brought about by Gods unfathomable love.
Through this, reconciliation to God is achieved and true enjoyment of God can be experienced
In my views, I don't feel it is my responsibility to convince anyone, God and him alone can bring about the fruit of salvation and sanctification, My responsibility is to be faithful to his word and to present it (Romans 10:14).Who is the audience?
Why do feel the need for new videos?
I don't think that your approach is one that will convince anyone. Is that your purpose?
One needs to start either with a problem or with a need.
If you are simply explaining Christianity to those who already believe in God, then you might start with God.
No, it is both Christ dying on the cross.
hmm
I don't know about this being mainstream. I strongly agree that your view is that of that the Orthodox and of many of the early Church fathers.
Yes, Jesus died so that we might be reconciled with God (removing the barrier between us and God), and yes Jesus rose that we might have eternal life.
My "objection" is that I think that the substitutionary/legalistic view is strongly ingrained in Western theology and practice.
I think you will find that US mainstream (which is not at all mainstream) is not the same as world mainstream. I was talking world mainstream.
It's the Gospel John 3:16You are welcome to your opinion, of course.
May I ask, what makes the gospel, the good news?The interpretation of the message of God as the wrathful judge with the need for blood payment by Jesus has probably driven millions of people from the faith.
IMHO, such a message is NOT the message of the gospel. Perhaps more importantly, it is not the GOOD NEWS that will bring folks to the faith, or bring them back to the faith.
We are long beyond threatening folks with hell if we don't obey the laws of a vengeful God who will punish us if we aren't good enough.
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Missionaries have understood this for centuries. In Africa, there is often only ONE book of Scripture translated into the native language: The Gospel According To John. And hundreds of millions have heard the message that God is Love, and that God loved us so much that he came to earth to remove the barrier between humans and God, and has assured us eternal life. We just must accept the free gift of life.
For those in pain, it is critical to hear that God loves everyone. It is not even useful for them to understand that God will punish them.
It's the Gospel John 3:16
The view of Roman Catholics in the US is the same as the 2 billion in other parts of the world. Perhaps, I am incorrect.
Surely, "mainstream" is defined by numbers.
AgreedOne would hope so, but I suspect the evangelical flavour of the US in general is somewhat catching.
The Good News is contained in the Book Of John, many, many times.May I ask, what makes the gospel, the good news?
What exactly does someone repent from, and trust Jesus for?
I truly understand what you are meaning to say and I get it. Please forgive me if I've emphasised one side of the story more than the other. I am not infallible. Yet the doctrine of sin (and leading from this, judgement) are true. God is love, and what make his love so special is that it is unconditional and takes form as grace. to truley understand the gospel, you need to understand the need for it, I.E sin. Yes we need be compassion, addressing it in it, making sure not to stress one more than the other.
I am wanting to make a short video (~1-2 minute) with a concise, dense, accurate message of the gospel.I am aware it's possible to mistakenly write things which aren't true, which is why I'm asking this. My memory of specific verses isn't very good so making sure/biblically proving, all of which I am wanting to write is true is somewhat hard. Mishandling Gods word greatly worries me and I don't want to mistakenly eisegesis verses when I come to research/quote verses to back up this. The following script is what I've wrote so far and is the essence of the gospel how I've understood it from reading the bible and listening to sermons over the years. I would like as much people, preferably reformed/orthodox, to look at what I've wrote, tell me if I need correction, or need to add anything in? I want it to flow as logically and biblically as possible in a concise short fashion.
Man sinned against God
The nature of sin is infinitely evil, evidenced by the majesty of whom it’s against.
God is morally perfect in justice; the judgement of sin can’t be eternally postponed, which would be to disregard sin hence invalidate Gods justice.
The result of God’s justice and man’s sin is divine wrath.
Divine Wrath is the application of justice through retribution according to each’s deeds
Only God’s infinite worthiness could account for the atonement of the infinite weight our of sin.
God clothed himself in flesh so that he could physically bear Gods wrath
Therefore, Jesus’ death appeased the wrath of god for those who by faith repent and trust the propitiation provided by Jesus.
This was a free act of Grace, not deserved nor achievable, but brought about by Gods unfathomable love.
Through this, reconciliation to God is achieved and true enjoyment of God can be experienced
Yes, Thank you, now looking at it, I was wrong in calling it a summary of the gospel. I suppose that is a difficult task to do as it's a gloriously dense message. If I were to use the script I initially made, I would perhaps title it "why the cross?" or something more apprioate. I am glad I made this as I do think I could have been inaccurate is saying that in it's the entire gospel. Therefore, I've decided to not put something in my own words and use Romans 3-21, which answers that same question, "why the cross?" Thank you for the helpA common Gospel schema is Creation->Fall->Redemption->Restoration. Your presentation here seems to be missing information about Creation and Restoration. The story doesn't start with our sin, nor does it end with simply being reconciled to God in justification.
Apparently we have some communication problem here...Because that is exactly what you said.
Not.
Only God’s infinite worthiness could account for the atonement of the infinite weight our of sin.
God clothed himself in flesh so that he could physically bear Gods wrath
Therefore, Jesus’ death.....
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