CHECK THIS OUT: 666 IS REAL & PASTORS ARE PROMOTING IT!!! (Part 1)

[Endtime Survivors]

Yes, but God is not teaching it's wrong to buy and sell is He? Of course not. And that is what I meant by "buy and sell all you want". This passage is not banning buying and selling. It is exposing the Mark of the Anti-Christ which the Angels of God declare "Do NOT receive the Mark!"

Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your reply. As for your question about buying/selling, it depends. What God is really interested in is the motivations behind our actions. When the pharisees brought the adulterous woman to him, Jesus didn't argue with them about the rightness or wrongness of the law. Technically, they were right. But, looking past the technicalities, he could see that they had a bad motivation. Or, people who give charity, but make a show of it. Technically, they're doing the right thing by giving to others, but the motivation behind the good show is wrong.

It is this area of motivations where buying/selling becomes wrong. The idea behind it is that I will help you if you give me something of equal or greater value in return, but that's not the kingdom of Heaven. In the KoH we help one another just because we want to, and not because we expect payment. When we introduce payment into the equation, especially payment based on greed/fear, then the motivation becomes twisted.

After all, God has given us life and everything we need without asking for payment. Why should we not do the same for one another? And that is the point behind Jesus saying, "Thy will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven" in the "Lord's prayer".

But Satan doesn't want God's will done on Earth. Rather than sharing and caring for one another, he wants us to exploit one another, because such exploitation is contrary to God's kingdom, and because he can see that, as physical creatures in a physical world, we have a particular weakness in the area of materialism. It is very easy for us to allow concerns about food, clothing, and shelter to skew our motivations and influence our behavior.

 

[Jonathan Mathews]

Hi Jonathan. Thanks for your reply. As for your question about buying/selling, it depends.

I never had a question about buying/selling. God says don't take the Mark of the Beast, which Jesus Christ has already revealed thru John on Patmos as the symbols "Xes" (Revelation 13:18).

Do not take that Mark or you will burn in the Lake of Fire forever. Anyone who says you can take the Mark of the Beast, which looks "Xes", in your hand or forehead and Live with God is A LIAR, THEY DECEIVE YOU, and THEY DO THE WORK OF SATAN. And I have the Holy Spirit.

 

[razzelflabben]

The "man" will prevent us from buying/selling. I'd say, the remnant will be hunted like dogs. They'll have satellite surveillance, choppers with infrared for nightime, blood hounds and all that jazz. RF- I'd say we would have to be warned by the spirit. People aren't very smart when it comes to abandoning our half-paid for houses and belongings. The gospels quote Jesus saying pray your flight isn't in winter or on Sabbath. BOTH require being pre-prepared. Ahead of time. Jesus was giving another clue here. Also, when He and John the Baptist (I've heard Baptiser lately), they were also speaking of fruit- but this fruit isn't what most consider what we think as fruit. Fruit of repentance. In other words, being ready all the time seems to be Christ's big topic. A clean slate. As technology advanced, we MAY be required to have such. I'll tell you, it's not the mark. It MAY be the byproduct of the beast system, but the mark is not seen. God gives it or allows satan to. If you study Daniel (Jesus said to in Mat.) and compare it with Rev. (both are needed as Dan opens Rev.), you'll see it involves Rome still. Rome is the 4th & final in Dan. In Rev. it's the 4th, then one gets wounded, then has help from the 5th and is healed. Dan. didn't add another so deductive reasoning and past persecution points a heavy finger still. It definitely involves a "church". You see what's happening in the world, if it was visible, you could expect most people to have it. More than not, by far. THEY are the ones who CAN buy and sell, like before the flood, folks marrying and giving in (betrothal for a later wedding day- it's VERY symbolic) marriage. They were decieved and didn't see it coming. If I woke up and had a stamp on my head, I wouldn't go out of the house, much less ,out to make a living. People, most likely, would freak over a chip. Even the atheist would become an instant believer. I've also given thought to people who follow the Lamb being stuck in internment camps, or even shunned by society and not getting work -thus not being able to buy. It's possible, but eventually ,theyll be targeted for extinction. Peace be with you.

From my perspective, I have no clue at this point what exactly the "mark" is...I think it is as possible that it is something spiritual as it is that it is something tangible. But the key to the whole thing, the key to the entire teaching and the book of Dan. and Rev. is to be encouraged as we watch and wait for our Lord and King. Though "good" times, through persecution, through long waits and quickly moving God miracles, through false teachers and false signs, through it all we are to be encouraged that God is still King of all and we are to be ready and watching and prepared for Him.

Personally, I think all other discussion of the topic is meaningless. I trust God to tell me when I should and should not participate in the things of the world. I trust God to guide and protect me even if that means persecution and death or even starvation. I trust God to provide all that I need in this foreign land and on that glorious day when I will join Him, I will understand things that I could not while in the flesh. Things that I now have to simply trust Him with.

What is the mark? I don't know exactly and it isn't important for me to know at this moment, for if it was, God would tell us. What is important is that I need to be obedient even unto death. I need to watch and wait in righteousness. What is important to the hear and now is that I learn to trust Him more every day.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

From my perspective, I have no clue at this point what exactly the "mark" is...

Howdy- I do. Exactly. It's more than contravercial though. The "world" thinks it's not, but satan came to decieve the whole world- and has done so. I'll just say this, and leave it at that- When deceit is involved, you don't know it was deceit OR it wouldn't be such. The false signs and teachings , on one end, bring a false sense of security in the worldly aspect. On the other side- spiritual deceit. One end of he spectrum is state, the other is religion. They , under the power of Rome, were once one, they were separated. They will again be one, as though they were never separated. Oh- To be a fly on the wall at the roundtable meetings in the dark corners . You would think in this day and age that something like that couldn't happen again, but understand that as we have progressed in a worldly way, we have dumbed down on the spiritual side. People don't believe in demonic influence and power in the spiritual realm like the did, so what easy pickins the devil has to blind us with as we are caught up in house payments and clothes and investment and TV. NONE of which doesnt mean anything in heaven, where we are supposed to be focused on all the time. Just remember it has to do with religion," Christian " religion. Watch the BIG churches and their actions. Study them. Anything you can find. Pray about it. It'll come to ya. It's more relevant now than it was in the stream of time and it'll become more so as it goes. Peace be with you.

 

[John Hyperspace]

It sounds like you're suggesting that spiritually discerned lessons have no place in practical reality, and perhaps you're using this argument in a way that a lot of people do when they're uncomfortable with a particular teaching.

Of course the Mark has spiritual lessons. I've been saying that all along. Our interaction with the world around us shows what kind of faith we have, just like James suggested when he said, "show your faith through your works".

We're not using the phrase "spiritual" in the same sense. When I say something like "these things are spiritually discerned" I'm not meaning "a spiritual lesson" I'm meaning, the understanding of the words is spiritually discerned, and not physically discerned.

For example if God says "Be fruitful and multiply", we can physically discern the command, and engage in physical relationships, passing a physical seed, to create physical children. Or, we can spiritually discern the command, and engage in spiritual relationships (teaching), passing a spiritual seed (the Word), to create spiritual children (disciples).

In the same sense, the mark of the beast in the forehead is spiritually discerned; just as the seal of God in the forehead is spiritually discerned. It is not a physical thing, it is a spiritual thing.

Case of point, if I have missed it, I apologize, but I believe I am still waiting for you to comment on the understanding of the "seal of God" which is "in the forehead": how do you understand this thing that is "in the forehead": please address this issue if you would (and if you have, and I missed it, apologies).

Revelation 7:3, Revelation 9:4

 

[razzelflabben]

Howdy- I do. Exactly. It's more than contravercial though. The "world" thinks it's not, but satan came to decieve the whole world- and has done so. I'll just say this, and leave it at that- When deceit is involved, you don't know it was deceit OR it wouldn't be such. The false signs and teachings , on one end, bring a false sense of security in the worldly aspect. On the other side- spiritual deceit. One end of he spectrum is state, the other is religion. They , under the power of Rome, were once one, they were separated. They will again be one, as though they were never separated. Oh- To be a fly on the wall at the roundtable meetings in the dark corners . You would think in this day and age that something like that couldn't happen again, but understand that as we have progressed in a worldly way, we have dumbed down on the spiritual side. People don't believe in demonic influence and power in the spiritual realm like the did, so what easy pickins the devil has to blind us with as we are caught up in house payments and clothes and investment and TV. NONE of which doesnt mean anything in heaven, where we are supposed to be focused on all the time. Just remember it has to do with religion," Christian " religion. Watch the BIG churches and their actions. Study them. Anything you can find. Pray about it. It'll come to ya. It's more relevant now than it was in the stream of time and it'll become more so as it goes. Peace be with you.

1. Scripture tells us that the HS keeps us from deception....I personally will remain focused on the HS and trust Him to be true to His word and not allow me to be deceived. I mean what else do we have as assurance? You yourself could be deceived.
2. I do believe in demons, in fact, that is part of my current study. I have seen demons, I also know for fact that a close family member is under the influence of demons. Not sure what that has to do with anything, but just for the record.
3. As to Rome and the church government, I have no doubt and if you have been reading my posts you would know that.

I think that covered all the key points of your post.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Cool beans! Ok, on point 1, yes the Holy Spirit will teach us all things in truth. That is if we hold up our end. Searching the scriptures daily, praying for repentance, abstaining from unrighteous behavior- you know the drill. Here's a couple of points to consider:
Math.7:21-23-
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Folks will tell you repeatedly that we don't have to follow any commandments or anything other than having belief and faith and all that. THAT is part of the beast and Babylon and the whole deceit thing as well as what Rome says. It actually goes deeper than that, because not only do we have rules, but we also must have a relationship with the Spirit too. The ten virgins parable speaks of this.
Math 25:2-5-
And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
What this parts means is you have virgins, which didn't have communion with the harlott church. We're talking about righteous acting, commandment keeping people, but they had no oil, which is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. They ALL slumbered and slept (met death). When the time came, they missed the first ressurection. They had the word, the truth (lamp), but no relationship with Jesus and the Spirit and it cost em big time.
Point 2- I was basically speaking of the world in general and how folks barely believe in God as a whole, much less all the spiritual stuff that goes along with it. We, people, not you- WE are materialistic and selfish and when you look at Luke 21:34-36-
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
We see surfeiting - excess to the max! Which leads to drunkenness. It's talking about the wine of Babylon. Being an alky surely doesn't lead to cares of this life! It's the poison of Babylon that takes our eyes off of what happens after this life.
Point 3- sorry, nope. I've just recently run into you here. If you have knowledge of what Rome did and what she's up to now, keep it close by you, because it's what the whole shebang is about. All of it. The number- look at his name. It's the number of his name. His title is- vicarious felii dei. Vicar of God, Christ on earth are some of the translations. anti-Christ means "in place of-" .V & U are the same numerical value in Latin. Use Roman numerals and add it up. Keep in mind, it's not ONE fella, it's the system. The beast is a system. Actually, folks looking into the future for all this stuff to take place came from them to take heat off themself. EVERY Christian Protestant knew all this stuff for over several hundred years prior to 1900. You should even read some of Abe Lincoln's writings on the jesuits and "her". Notice how no one talks about her situation anymore? All the protest ran up out of the Protestants. All very well orchestrated in a counter move to heal the wound. Just fact.
Check this out for yourself : You know Martin Luther started the Protestant movement, thus came the Lutherans, right? Well, next year is the 500th anniversary of it AND in 2017 -they are being welcomed back into the mother churches arms, AFTER signing documents saying they were GUILTY of disrupting Christian unity for 500 years! Can you believe that? I guess ML and about 50 million more died for nought. Google it. The Methodists are right behind them. The Waldenses, who lived in the Alps and kept Rome at bay for 1000 years , they caved last year. They kept the writings pure and in tact at a heavy cost. The Lutheran World council is having a big pow wow with the pope in Lund Sweden on Oct. 31 (Halloween!) at the end of this month! They are calling for worldwide prayer for unity! I kid you not. Have you researched the ecumenical movement? Another topic the papacy is addressing is "Climate Justice", NOTHING they do is by accident. I've looked back , and all should, at when a present pope partially quotes an earlier pope OR says that we should reflect on what they said- Look back and see what that past pope said -all of it , even if it was from the 1300s. It usually involves punishing heretics and bringing all into her fold. Benedict made some really rash statements, now he's gone, but the new guy "reflects" on him often. She doesn't change, ever. Rome is officially calling 2016 the year of mercy, so who knows what will follow. History is much more exciting than any novel ever written. Who knows what will follow this post. Anyway- Peace be with you.

 

[I Witness]

Why is everyone stuck on this idea that "buying and selling" involves money?

There is no indication in the scriptures that this "buying and selling" mark of the beast is about money!

It is not with silver and gold that we have been purchased from the empty way of life handed down to us by our fathers but with the precious blood of the Lamb.

The Antichrist will exalt himself above everything that is called God so that he sets himself up in God's temple declaring himself to be God and whoever does not worship the image he causes to be killed.

Jesus counsels us to buy from him pure gold refined in the fire. Is Jesus concerned with money?

 

[I Witness]

Jesus tells us what marks will be upon his disciples. Won't there also be counterfeit marks upon those who worship created things?

 

[I Witness]

In Acts we find the synagogue rulers threatening the apostles to no longer preach in Jesus name.

Today it's a hate crime worthy of death to say, "Muhammed is not God's prophet"

The counterfeit will make it illegal to speak in Jesus name. This is becoming more and more obvious! The ten commandments by many is called hate literature. To expose sin is demonic.

"Buying and selling" you are sold into slavery to sin!

 

[I Witness]

Concerning the king of tyre who is an archetype of the Antichrist God says, "he was corrupt but his excessive trade"

The fall of Babylon the kings of the earth mourn because no one buys their cargoes anymore. Trade agreements.

God was angry with Israel because of its prostitution. It made trade agreements with their enemies.

These are physical and financial trades.

But what about the spiritual significance? Joel tells us they cast lots for his people. They divided his land. They traded!!!

They exchanged the glory of God for a lie and worshiped created things rather than the Creator. Marks upon those who "buy and sell" souls!!!

What profit a man to gain the whole world yet forfeit his soul.

Today's secular message today is "instant gratification" I want it now!!!

As for the number of his name. Nero when calculated is 666. He was the ruler in John's time. Jesus name when calculated is 888.

Democracy is a beast! "A government of the people for the people by the people." Did God give men "authority" to rule over another man?

Jesus will destroy all power, authority, and principality before he hands the kingdom over to God.

The Antichrist will distribute the land at a price and show favor to those who have violated God's covenant.

The mark of the beast may be in some way involved with money however the mark on the forehead or on the hand isn't something physical.

It's a state of mind and action! The spirit at work in the disobedient is sin!

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

That is a very GOOD point on buying/selling in your first post. Especially on buying gold, tried in the fire! I stick to my guns on Rome and the mark.

 

[I Witness]

Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,

Before Jesus left his disciples and returned to the Father he said, "You know the Way to the place where I am going."

And if anyone is born of God and in covenant with God they too have also had the Way revealed to them.

Let no one lead you astray!

 

[razzelflabben]

Cool beans! Ok, on point 1, yes the Holy Spirit will teach us all things in truth. That is if we hold up our end. Searching the scriptures daily, praying for repentance, abstaining from unrighteous behavior- you know the drill. Here's a couple of points to consider:

I find it funny that you would go down the route after I said that we had to stay focused on God...in fact, this response makes it sound to me like you are having a hard time simply trusting God to be true to His promises...As to the rest of what you say here, I study more than most, in fact, I average 40-48 hours a week in study and teaching the word of God, I pray without ceasing, iows all the time I am in prayer even as I type this, I abstain from unrighteousness as much as I can and have gone long periods of time without sin. In fact, I pur great effort into being without sin even to the point of extremism in most peoples minds, taking seriously the crucifying of self. I repent without asking questions even of things that others don't think are sinful. Etc. etc. etc. I am what many would call an extremist when it comes to the things of God...so I think I have that covered.

What really boggles my mind is what you find so problematic for my position on this matter? If you could be specific about what you don't like and allow us then to talk about that I think we might make more progress.

Math.7:21-23-
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Folks will tell you repeatedly that we don't have to follow any commandments or anything other than having belief and faith and all that. THAT is part of the beast and Babylon and the whole deceit thing as well as what Rome says. It actually goes deeper than that, because not only do we have rules, but we also must have a relationship with the Spirit too.

not sure why you are telling me all of this or what it has to do with the topic as it is being discussed between you and me, but okay...

The ten virgins parable speaks of this.
Math 25:2-5-
And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
What this parts means is you have virgins, which didn't have communion with the harlott church. We're talking about righteous acting, commandment keeping people, but they had no oil, which is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. They ALL slumbered and slept (met death). When the time came, they missed the first ressurection. They had the word, the truth (lamp), but no relationship with Jesus and the Spirit and it cost em big time.

we could talk about this all day being that this was part of my most recent deep study of the word, but it is off topic for what we are discussing at the moment.

Point 2- I was basically speaking of the world in general and how folks barely believe in God as a whole, much less all the spiritual stuff that goes along with it. We, people, not you- WE are materialistic and selfish and when you look at Luke 21:34-36-
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
We see surfeiting - excess to the max! Which leads to drunkenness. It's talking about the wine of Babylon. Being an alky surely doesn't lead to cares of this life! It's the poison of Babylon that takes our eyes off of what happens after this life.

you do have an odd way of saying things...I think there are easier ways to get people to see the spiritual aspect of life than to talk about Babylon which most would not understand. IOW's sometimes we need to simple speak plainly for those that don't speak all the "church lang." Christ did it, I think we should too.

Point 3- sorry, nope. I've just recently run into you here. If you have knowledge of what Rome did and what she's up to now, keep it close by you, because it's what the whole shebang is about. All of it. The number- look at his name. It's the number of his name. His title is- vicarious felii dei. Vicar of God, Christ on earth are some of the translations. anti-Christ means "in place of-" .V & U are the same numerical value in Latin. Use Roman numerals and add it up. Keep in mind, it's not ONE fella, it's the system. The beast is a system. Actually, folks looking into the future for all this stuff to take place came from them to take heat off themself. EVERY Christian Protestant knew all this stuff for over several hundred years prior to 1900. You should even read some of Abe Lincoln's writings on the jesuits and "her". Notice how no one talks about her situation anymore? All the protest ran up out of the Protestants. All very well orchestrated in a counter move to heal the wound. Just fact.
Check this out for yourself : You know Martin Luther started the Protestant movement, thus came the Lutherans, right? Well, next year is the 500th anniversary of it AND in 2017 -they are being welcomed back into the mother churches arms, AFTER signing documents saying they were GUILTY of disrupting Christian unity for 500 years! Can you believe that? I guess ML and about 50 million more died for nought. Google it. The Methodists are right behind them. The Waldenses, who lived in the Alps and kept Rome at bay for 1000 years , they caved last year. They kept the writings pure and in tact at a heavy cost. The Lutheran World council is having a big pow wow with the pope in Lund Sweden on Oct. 31 (Halloween!) at the end of this month! They are calling for worldwide prayer for unity! I kid you not. Have you researched the ecumenical movement? Another topic the papacy is addressing is "Climate Justice", NOTHING they do is by accident. I've looked back , and all should, at when a present pope partially quotes an earlier pope OR says that we should reflect on what they said- Look back and see what that past pope said -all of it , even if it was from the 1300s. It usually involves punishing heretics and bringing all into her fold. Benedict made some really rash statements, now he's gone, but the new guy "reflects" on him often. She doesn't change, ever. Rome is officially calling 2016 the year of mercy, so who knows what will follow. History is more exciting than any novel ever written. Who knows what will follow this post. Anyway- Peace be with you.

As I read scripture there is one thing that is abundantly clear to me about the "end times" that is that the way the prophecy is written every single generation will think that Christ is coming back in their generation. I honestly think this is by design. You see, the early church thought they were living in the last days just like we do today...why? so that we would be watching and waiting, prepared for His coming.

Look at the story of the 10 virgins you talk about above...what was the problem? The problem was that they didn't prepare because they stopped expecting the bridegroom. All throughout scripture we are told to be prepared and watching...so here is my question for you...given scripture tells us to be prepared and watching and given that prophecy is written so that we will be watchful and ready, why exactly is your objection to me saying that we should be prepared and watching? Specifically so that we can get to the root of the issue and make progress in our discussion.

 

[razzelflabben]

seems to me that way too many people are so busy trying to figure out what the mark is and how it works and who fits the number 666 etc. that they forget to watch and be prepared, they forget to have enough oil (using the 10 virgin parable) to be ready for when He does come. Just my observation for what it's worth.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

RF- By no means was I trying to single you out. I had thought I made that clear, but maybe not. I was only pointing out two different sides of the coin on obedience and spirituality.
I agree that people get out of focus, but was merely pointing out the part about oil representing the Holy Spirit. Something to always consider, even when knowing all truths. I too am very fortunate to be able to spend major hours in the word. I believe it's a blessing without price. We were talking about the mark , what it is and such. I only showed a few things that we, as a whole- need to consider as Rome creepeth back onto the scene. I wasn't pointing any fingers at you and hope you forgive me if you think it was. It wasn't intentional. The way I see it, we are all aiming toward one thing- eternal life with our God. Peace be with you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

creepeth

? 'creepeth' ?
The thing that caused all the leaders of the nations to commit fornication for the last many centuries as prophesied in YHWH'S WORD !?
That's creeping ?
.... well, I guess is was so under-cover , insidious and secret/deceptive... it is kind of creepy! eh!?

 

[razzelflabben]

RF- By no means was I trying to single you out. I had thought I made that clear, but maybe not. I was only pointing out two different sides of the coin on obedience and spirituality.
I agree that people get out of focus, but was merely pointing out the part about oil representing the Holy Spirit. Something to always consider, even when knowing all truths. I too am very fortunate to be able to spend major hours in the word. I believe it's a blessing without price. We were talking about the mark , what it is and such. I only showed a few things that we, as a whole- need to consider as Rome creepeth back onto the scene. I wasn't pointing any fingers at you and hope you forgive me if you think it was. It wasn't intentional. The way I see it, we are all aiming toward one thing- eternal life with our God. Peace be with you.

I simply don't know what you are objecting to in my position. Pointing fingers or not you are addressing me and I don't have a clue what you are questioning in my position

 

[Endtime Survivors]

I never had a question about buying/selling.

Ah, you're right. Sorry about that. I should have said something like, "as for the issue of buying/selling..."

Still, the prophecy is pretty clear that the purpose of the Mark will be to control buying/selling. It does comes across as irresponsible to say something like, "buy and sell as much as you want, just don't get these particular letters on your head".

 

[Endtime Survivors]

In the same sense, the mark of the beast in the forehead is spiritually discerned; just as the seal of God in the forehead is spiritually discerned. It is not a physical thing, it is a spiritual thing.

You are right that we have different interpretations of what it means to spiritually discern the meaning behind the prophecy. I don't disagree that there is a powerful spiritual meaning behind the prophecy, but there is also a clear overlap with the physical. Just as Jesus asked, "what does it profit a person to gain the whole world and lose their soul" so too the prophecy suggests that people will choose the worldly system of buying and selling for their daily bread instead of depending on God's system of love and sharing.