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I also challenge my brothers and sisters in Christ to look at other verses as literal and not fall back to complacency in the safety of symbolicism.


29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Taken literally, this verse tells us just how SERIOUS God is about sin. Looking at it this way strengthens my "fear of the lord"!
 
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and this is where misinterpertation of the word of GOD leads. No such thing as everlasting punishment. Bible teaches annihilation for the wicked, not burn for eternity as Darwin believed
 
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I know that you did not refer to Darwin as evil. Another poster referred to Darwinism as "fruits of the devil." I don't know what people mean by Darwinism. It doesn't appear to have anything to do with Darwin, biology, or natural selection.

In sixty years of off-and-on contact with Fundamentalist Christians, they have complained to me about Darwin. Except for you, no one has mentioned Lamarck, Holmes, Spenser, or Grey.
 
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I think that you are correct to point out that scientists, who came after Darwin, discovered most of what we know about how species change. Darwin's contribution is his discovery that species change because the environment selects which traits survive.
 
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I too have studied the Scriptures in depth, I know what the creation account includes and it is almost entirely figurative language.
No, it's not, figurative language has to elements, the two things being compared. There is no basis for a comparison anywhere in Genesis 1, what your doing is reducing it to an allegory.
 
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Most Christians read the Bible devotionally, it wouldn't occur to them that there is some larger philosophical premise. In that regard they are not that different from Darwinians because I've seen view Darwinians that have the slightest interest in the life sciences.
 
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I totally agree.
mark kennedy said:
The first five books of the Old Testament and the first five books of the New Testament are historical narratives.
The OT books are broken down this way:

First seventeen books are historical.

Next five books are poetical.

Last seventeen books are prophetic.

Perfect balance!
 
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You have completely misunderstood me. I do not believe in a literal and inerrant Bible and I do believe that life is a natural process. It is possible that "In the beginning God ..." but I am not convinced of that.
Are you creedal on the matter of creation. Meaning the general God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen?
 
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and this is where misinterpertation of the word of GOD leads. No such thing as everlasting punishment. Bible teaches annihilation for the wicked, not burn for eternity as Darwin believed
There are probably 16 threads on annihilation. This is not one of them.
 
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and this is where misinterpertation of the word of GOD leads. No such thing as everlasting punishment. Bible teaches annihilation for the wicked, not burn for eternity as Darwin believed
Annihilation is not a simple matter and there is at least one verse the describes the torment being forever. Final judgment is essential doctrine, annihilation is not. I have worked through the proof texts and came to the conclusion that the body and soul are completely destroyed in the lake of fire. That is not to say that others who do the difficult task of working in doctrine cannot honestly come to another conclusion. The Genesis 1 account being figurative is another matter entirely, the text is not ambiquise.
 
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I do not believe in a literal and inerrant Bible

Based upon the above statement you made, I must ask you to cease and desist.

Upon your declaration of the above statement, you clearly are not a Fundamentalist, and therefore not allowed to debate in this area.

"A Fundamentalist Christian is a born again believer in Lord Jesus Christ who:
  1. Maintains an immovable allegiance to the inerrant, infallible, and verbally Inspired Bible;
In addition, if you are not a member of this faith group, you may not debate issues or teach against its theology. You may post in fellowship."

Source

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Roger, Wilco (will comply), Over and Out.
 
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QUOTE:
“I may state that my judgment often fluctuates. Moreover whether a man deserves to be called a theist depends on the definition of the term: which is much too large a subject for a note. In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God.— I think that generally (& more and more so as I grow older) but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind.”
(Charles Darwin writing to John Fordyce, 7 May 1879)
 
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Annihilation is not a simple matter and there is at least one verse the describes the torment being forever.
That is a contradiction in terms. The Bible refers often to how God will destroy those who destroy the earth. There are some scriptures usually taken out of context that talks about hell or the grave. But the total destruction of all UnGodlyness is talked about in many many passages, not just a few. Even our own sin when we are cleansed we are transformed and God remembers our transgression no more.

Isaiah 65:17
"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.
 
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I believe in the literal reading of the Bible so oppose Evolution however the process of Adaption is a biological fact and common in many sciences such as Agricultural Science and Botany and it was observed within groups of animals. Humans selective breeding ,dogs for specific traits, is a clear and simple example.
 
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According to his own account, Darwin was never an atheist, and, as he grew older, he could best be described as an agnostic.

Fundamentalists are hung up about Darwin because the ToE cannot be reconciled with a literal reading of Genesis 1. It seems to me that they spend a great deal more time bad mouthing Darwin and his theory than they do giving serious attention to the theology of Genesis.
 
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I think you should spend a little time researching a man named Crawford H. Toy.

It might surprise you.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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The Theory of Evolution and the Genesis Creation Narratives are only a problem to those Christians who interpret the Bible in a literalistic way.

No Genesis, no Jesus.
Know Genesis, know Jesus.

Genesis 3:15.
 
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