Charismatic/Pentacostal vs Baptist

[tateziwin]

Could someone please explain the differences (major & minor) between Baptists and you guys?

Thanks very much in advance!

 

[Dust and Ashes]

Could someone please explain the differences (major & minor) between Baptists and you guys?

Thanks very much in advance!

I was saved in a Baptist church, attended one for several years and am still Baptist in some of my beliefs, so I'll tell you what I know from my experience.


Security of Salvation:
The Baptist churches I've attended taught the "Eternal Security" doctrine where most Pentecostal/Charismatic churches I have attended teach that you can lose your salvation. But it's not as simple as it sounds. Some of both groups go to extremes, such as some Baptists affirming that once you are "saved" you can pretty much live any way you want and you will always be saved no matter what.

On the other end, some Charismatics/Pentecostals (I have also met some Baptists who believe this) teach that salvation is basically a tightrope over Hell and God is just waiting for us to mess up so He can slap us off of it. Neither group exclusively teaches either of those doctrines, it's just been my experience that most Baptists believe Eternal Security and most Pentecostals/Charismatics believe in Maintained Security.


Gifts of the Spirit:
Baptists generally believe that the gifts of the Spirit were more for the 1st century Church and now that we have the Bible, they aren't necessary anymore. This is more specifically taught regarding tongues, prophecy, interpretation than other gifts. They believe in miracles and the power of prayer but not necessarily to the level that P/C do.

Pentecostal/Charismatics believe the gifts of the Spirit are fully available and operational in the modern Church and that we are free to use them as we are led by the Holy Spirit. The accept miracles as common occurences and generally don't tend to be shocked when one occurs.

P/C also are more open to "Revelation Knowledge" from God where the Holy Spirit gives someone with a Word for the Church.

This is by far not all of the differences but just the major ones that I can bring to mind at 3:30 am. Hope it helps some.

 

[Jim B]

Could someone please explain the differences (major & minor) between Baptists and you guys?

Thanks very much in advance!

How about asking the question, “Could someone please explain the relationship (major & minor) between Baptists and you guys?”

It seems we dice the “differences” to shreds.

I am wondering when we will start taking Christ’s prayer seriously enough to stop majoring on our differences and begin focusing on His words in John 17: "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, THAT ALL OF THEM MAY BE ONE, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.”

Just a thought.

\o/

 

[servant4ever]

But there are also some Baptist Churches that are charismatic. For example, I attend a loosely related Baptist church (officially in a baptist conference) that believes in the gifts of the spirit...

Just to complicate this a little more

servant4ever

 

[victoryword]

Ron Phillips is Charismatic, speaks in tongues, and allows the gifts to manifest in his church. And he's SOUTHERN BAPTIST!

 

[TheScottsMen]

How about asking the question, “Could someone please explain the relationship (major & minor) between Baptists and you guys?”

It seems we dice the “differences” to shreds.

\o/

You know sometimes I think people stop asking questions because when they do someone has to put them down and rebuke them that they are not asking the right questions. If he had any move of the spirit or unction to ask the question(any question), who are any of we to rebuke the question? If more people asked questions instead of having closed minds and thinking they know already what one group believes we would not have such divisions in Christiandom.

I am wondering when we will start taking Christ’s prayer seriously enough to stop majoring on our differences and begin focusing on His words in John 17: "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, THAT ALL OF THEM MAY BE ONE, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.”

Let us go stand hand in hand with mormons and JW and worship our different Gods together. Let me raise the hands of a Hindu and praise our Gods together. Or let me know the difference between my God and their God. Between My Jesus and their Jesus. Between The Third person of the God Head, a Real Holy Spirit with personal attributes and their Holy Spirit. Let me know who my Christian brothers and sisters are.

TSM

 

[TheScottsMen]

I was watching a video a few months back in World Religions class. A woman was talking claiming she was a Christian (this film was on the New Age Movement) and all she did was compare how Jesus and the Hindu Masters were alike. How the Christian Religion and the Hindu Religion are so closely alike. Praise be to God if he would have sent someone to her to show her the differences. The same could easily be said between diferent groups inside of Christiandom.

TSM

 

[Jim B]

You know sometimes I think people stop asking questions because when they do someone has to put them down and rebuke them that they are not asking the right questions. If he had any move of the spirit or unction to ask the question(any question), who are any of we to rebuke the question? If more people asked questions instead of having closed minds and thinking they know already what one group believes we would not have such divisions in Christiandom.


Let us go stand hand in hand with mormons and JW and worship our different Gods together. Let me raise the hands of a Hindu and praise our Gods together. Or let me know the difference between my God and their God. Between My Jesus and their Jesus. Between The Third person of the God Head, a Real Holy Spirit with personal attributes and their Holy Spirit. Let me know who my Christian brothers and sisters are.

TSM

Huh?

No one is putting anyone down, Scottsmen. My post was not meant as a rebuke, I was simply offering another point of view. Isn’t that what forums are for?

I do feel, however, you have unjustly rebuked me based on a mistaken impression of my motives. Your rebuke was undeserved. And your leaps of logic into accepting Mormonism and Hinduism is .

But, hey, I am a big guy (too big !!) and I have posted here long enough to be able to take it on the chin.

Jim
\o/

 

[Dust and Ashes]

I was watching a video a few months back in World Religions class. A woman was talking claiming she was a Christian (this film was on the New Age Movement) and all she did was compare how Jesus and the Hindu Masters were alike. How the Christian Religion and the Hindu Religion are so closely alike. Praise be to God if he would have sent someone to her to show her the differences. The same could easily be said between diferent groups inside of Christiandom.

TSM

I watched a video once that pretty much said that at 13, Jesus journied to India and spent years studying with the great yogis and that might be how He did many of the things He did. They tried to say that He would have HAD to have gone somewhere, otherwise such a knowledgeable and brilliant young man would have been sought after by many families trying to marry off daughters to him. They used Indian references to a Saint Iesa (sp) who had journied from far off to study and accomplished great things there with them. It was interesting but kind of out there too. I think the video was named The Lost Years of Jesus.

 

[adamdavid]

Ron Phillips is Charismatic, speaks in tongues, and allows the gifts to manifest in his church. And he's SOUTHERN BAPTIST!

And he wrote an EXCELLENT book on the subject (of Baptists and the Gifts of the Spirit) called 'Awakened by the Spirit' - definitely one to read for a baptist's view on how the Gifts are very much applicable to all (but especially Baptist ) churches...