Charismatic Movement

[JesusFollowerForever]

I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?

it's a fad you do not have to adhere or even like, this fad was very popular in the province of Quebec in the late 70's

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Eventually, me and my wife becamediscalced Carmelites, OCDS. Then, that community dissolved as people aged out. Now, we're not active
on an OCDS group, but we still pray together daily.

I do wish such groups, 3rd order or whatever, where more available. I would be SFO if they were closer. Or Benedictine Oblate, Or OCDS, etc

 

[WarriorAngel]

I’m having a hard time finding a Charismatic Catholic Church. I don’t know what I’m looking for though.
Is that like regular Mass?

It’s like they all left town.

I need direction. But it’s just not easy.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I’m thinking about getting a ministry together for people who have mental health issues.

I need a priest probably but I can’t find a single person to help me as of yet.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I’m having a hard time finding a Charismatic Catholic Church. I don’t know what I’m looking for though.
Is that like regular Mass?

It’s like they all left town.

I need direction. But it’s just not easy.

My parish is charismatic. This is not apparent at all in the way Mass is done but shows up in healing ministries. Nor is it advertised nor is anyone beaten over the head with it. One does not have to be charismatic to belong to the parish. A massgoer might hear speaking in tongues after mass in an impromptu prayer for healing or something.

My experience from years ago was that there were charismatic prayer meetings available in a city maybe weekly. Now it seems much quieter as it is more normalized and mainstream, and definitely less ostentatious.

 

[mourningdove~]

My experience from years ago was that there were charismatic prayer meetings available in a city maybe weekly. Now it seems much quieter as it is more normalized and mainstream, and definitely less ostentatious.

More normalized and mainstream? I wouldn't have guessed that! Apparently things in the Catholic Church have changed more than I realized, during the past many years.

I'd better go back and delete my earlier posts to WA, as the information given her is obviously outdated. I'm very glad to hear the charismatic situation in the church has improved from the earlier days. Sounds like there is much more acceptance, and openness, making it easier now for someone to find charismatic fellowship.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

People outside of the Charismatic movement are usually pretty ignorant of the movement's whats and whys. Most opinions come from rehashing the same old, tired, anti-charismatic, and cessationist arguments. True, they do not follow the liturgical format many of us grew up with (such as my upbringing with the Episcopalians). Charismatics are wonderful, loving, and sharing people. I will not push the point because this is a Catholic forum, and I am not Catholic. But a little charity should be shown. If this is a genuine movement of God, none of us wants to be on the wrong side of His work. Step away from it if you like... that is your prerogative.

 

[Pioneer3mm]

Wikipedia has an informative/interesting article on..
- 'Charismatic Movement'.

 

[chevyontheriver]

People outside of the Charismatic movement are usually pretty ignorant of the movement's whats and whys. Most opinions come from rehashing the same old, tired, anti-charismatic, and cessationist arguments. True, they do not follow the liturgical format many of us grew up with (such as my upbringing with the Episcopalians). Charismatics are wonderful, loving, and sharing people. I will not push the point because this is a Catholic forum, and I am not Catholic. But a little charity should be shown. If this is a genuine movement of God, none of us wants to be on the wrong side of His work. Step away from it if you like... that is your prerogative.

Catholics aren't cessationist. I mean ... to be canonized as a saint we require miracles. We never were cessationist, and thus never were biased against the workings of the Holy Spirit like some other kinds of Christians.

Catholic liturgical format for a full bore charismatic mass is identical to the standard mass, but with moments added in for the charismatic thing. The mass has always had moments for silence that are seldom observed here because of American extreme discomfort with silence. Moments of silence that should last at least 30 seconds can be brushed over in two seconds typically. Spontaneous prayer in tongues can come out of those silences and is appropriate there. There is a big difference between Pentecostal and non-Pentecostal worship style but a tiny difference between charismatic and non-charismatic Catholic masses. Nothing deleted, nothing rearranged, only parts amplified. But then most charismatic activity I see is outside of mass and does not affect the parish mass at all. Individuals can use the moments of silence to pray in the spirit.

 

[Gnarwhal]

I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?

It's definitely not a requirement. It's kind of just a wing of the Church that has some niche Catholics in it and apparently if that's what you're into then it's considered kosher by the Church. If it weren't for the Mass itself Charismatic Catholics would be indistinguishable from Charismatic Protestants.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It's definitely not a requirement. It's kind of just a wing of the Church that has some niche Catholics in it and apparently if that's what you're into then it's considered kosher by the Church. If it weren't for the Mass itself Charismatic Catholics would be indistinguishable from Charismatic Protestants.

If it wasn't for the mass itself we would all be indistinguishable from Protestants.

 

[Gnarwhal]

If it wasn't for the mass itself we would all be indistinguishable from Protestants.

Touché

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I do wish such groups, 3rd order or whatever, where more available. I would be SFO if they were closer. Or Benedictine Oblate, Or OCDS, etc

Our OCDS group disbanded as we ended up with less than five members, and the friars would not service us, until we got larger, which never happened. Our two remaining members joined other groups which were closer to them, but too far for my wife and myself. Besides, we were
getting older and not able to start a group in my area.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I’m having a hard time finding a Charismatic Catholic Church. I don’t know what I’m looking for though.
Is that like regular Mass?

It’s like they all left town.

I need direction. But it’s just not easy.

That's because there isn't a "Charismatic Catholic Church," only the Catholic Church, which may have a charismatic prayer group within it.

Today, there is more of a struggle by some to have a parish include the Latin Mass than having a charismatic prayer group.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It's definitely not a requirement. It's kind of just a wing of the Church that has some niche Catholics in it and apparently if that's what you're into then it's considered kosher by the Church. If it weren't for the Mass itself Charismatic Catholics would be indistinguishable from Charismatic Protestants.

Really?

My mother-in-law RIP ran a prayer group with Catholics in it, but it was part of a larger protestant group.
Anyway, her group always finished with the Lord's Prayer followed by a Hail Mary. Well, when it was learned
that a Hail Mary was said, she was asked to leave. The group fell apart as the others heard the reason for he
being fired.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Catholics aren't cessationist. I mean ... to be canonized as a saint we require miracles. We never were cessationist, and thus never were biased against the workings of the Holy Spirit like some other kinds of Christians.

Catholic liturgical format for a full bore charismatic mass is identical to the standard mass, but with moments added in for the charismatic thing. The mass has always had moments for silence that are seldom observed here because of American extreme discomfort with silence. Moments of silence that should last at least 30 seconds can be brushed over in two seconds typically. Spontaneous prayer in tongues can come out of those silences and is appropriate there. There is a big difference between Pentecostal and non-Pentecostal worship style but a tiny difference between charismatic and non-charismatic Catholic masses. Nothing deleted, nothing rearranged, only parts amplified. But then most charismatic activity I see is outside of mass and does not affect the parish mass at all. Individuals can use the moments of silence to pray in the spirit.

You brush up on an excellent point. There is the misconception that when believers speak with new tongues, they do so with excessive emotion. I have spoken with new tongues for 53 years and have never done so with great emotion. This is a common mistake perpetuated by many sources, even Webster's dictionary.

Glossolalia [Mod. L., from Gr. glôsso- (from glôssa, tongue), and lalia, a speaking, from lalein, to speak, of echoic origin.] an ecstatic or apparently ecstatic utterance of unintelligible speechlike sounds, viewed by some as a manifestation of deep religious experience. [WDUD]
Webster's Unabridged Dictionary

I have never been "slain in the spirit" or experienced any such "ecstasy." I do not question those who do... there may be some scriptural evidence of this happening. Just not me or my wife. Never rolled on the floor...

I have noted this in my writings:

“…among urban middle and upper-class churches, glossolalia is practiced as an isolated phenomenon by physicians, college professors, captains of industry, even psychologists, who sit in full composure and dignity while speaking in tongues!”
‘Behavioral Science Research On The Nature Of Glossolalia’ E. Mansell Pattison, M.D.
Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation

I speak in new tongues almost every day.

Thank you for your response.

 

[RileyG]

I remember..having interesting conversations with Charismatic Catholics..
- many years ago.
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'Charismatic Movement' is considered as..The Second Wave.
The First Wave..'Pentecostal Movement'..Azusa Revival
- in the early 20th century.

The Pentecostal movement started by a Methodist minister in 1900/1901 IIRC.

 

[mourningdove~]

I’m having a hard time finding a Charismatic Catholic Church. I don’t know what I’m looking for though.
Is that like regular Mass?

@WarriorAngel

FYI:

There are actual 'charismatic healing Masses', like this one conducted by Fr. Augustine Mundackatt in Michigan in 2019.
Fr. Augustine is from India; he travels globally conducting these services.
I was blessed to have participated in several of his healing services when I lived in Oklahoma City.

Part 1:

Part 2:

 

[RileyG]

Really?

My mother-in-law RIP ran a prayer group with Catholics in it, but it was part of a larger protestant group.
Anyway, her group always finished with the Lord's Prayer followed by a Hail Mary. Well, when it was learned
that a Hail Mary was said, she was asked to leave. The group fell apart as the others heard the reason for he
being fired.

Good grief. People should love God’s mother more

 

[RileyG]

All of the Chruch is piety. It could be a move of the Spirit; it could be a liturgy. It could be the Eucharist. I do not think it is wise to put God in a box and tell Him how He must do things. The general posture I take toward moves of the Spirit is cautiously optimistic.

I've experienced dreams, visions, miraculous healings, and all sorts of things. None of these things were forced by me or anyone else. They just happened.

Well said.