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Charismatic Movement

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I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?
 
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I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?
You do not have to be involved in it. It’s an option.
 
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I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?
An option. A generally acceptable option but an option nonetheless.

It's one of the parts of the Catholic Church that show some life.
 
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This started way back in the late 60s. I was saved during the Jesus movement in 1971. There were a lot of Charismatic Catholics during that period.
 
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Good bc I REALLY didn’t like it. Are you involved in it?
I am not. Although, it’s perfectly acceptable if one chooses to be involved in it.
 
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This started way back in the late 60s. I was saved during the Jesus movement in 1971. There were a lot of Charismatic Catholics during that period.
Yup. There are even charismatic Anglicans and Lutherans. There’s even a small Charismatic Episcopal Church that is not part of the worldwide Anglican communion.
 
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Yup. There are even charismatic Anglicans and Lutherans. There’s even a small Charismatic Episcopal Church that is not part of the worldwide Anglican communion.
I didn’t know that. I learn something new every day.
 
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I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?
No it's just another form of worship which isn't mandated for Catholics.

There are different spiritualities in the Church. Franciscan spirituality is different than Jesuit or Discalced Carmelite spirituality.

A good book on the subject is, "Who We Are Is How We Pray: Matching Personality and Spirituality" by Charles Keating.
 
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This started way back in the late 60s. I was saved during the Jesus movement in 1971. There were a lot of Charismatic Catholics during that period.
When I was into the Catholic Charismatic movement in the late 1970's, the Holy Spirit was moving in
my area and people receiving the graces from God and were returning to Christ.

It was very good and even Marriage Encounter was hot at that time.

Eventually, many people moved toward contemplative prayer or active spirituality like the Franciscans.

All were Christ centered, so I never saw the Charismatic Movement as something bad, regardless of
what denomination was involved with it.
 
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I didn’t know that. I learn something new every day.
Yup. Also there are charismatic Presbyterians, Methodists etc. pretty much any denomination
 
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I remember..having interesting conversations with Charismatic Catholics..
- many years ago.
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'Charismatic Movement' is considered as..The Second Wave.
The First Wave..'Pentecostal Movement'..Azusa Revival
- in the early 20th century.
 
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The Catholic Charismatic Renewal​


Question:​

What has Church said in regard to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and charismatic Masses?

Answer:​

In general, the Church has encouraged the Charismatic Renewal, provided it is properly grounded in Church teaching and submissive to Church authority. For example, in 1998, Pope John Paul exhorted Catholic Charismatics “to safeguard their Catholic identity” and maintain the proper relationships with their diocesan bishops and the Holy See.

Unfortunately, in decades past, the enthusiasm associated with the Charismatic Renewal often resulted in poorly formed Catholics who left the Church because they perceived their local parishes as “dead,” despite the ongoing reality of the Eucharist and other life-giving sacraments in those parishes. In 2000 and 2001, the Church also warned against abuses in healing services.

Regarding spiritual gifts, the Church makes proper distinctions. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “grace is first and foremost the gift of the Spirit who justifies and sanctifies us” (CCC 2003). The Church adds in paragraph 2003 that graces are sacramental graces—gifts proper to the sacramentsor special graces, also called charisms, which in Greek refers to “gratuitous gifts.” These are the graces that the Church calls the extraordinary gifts of prophecy, tongues, or others (1 Cor. 12:4-11) but which are always at the service of sacramental grace and thus the common good of the Church.

If we look at charismatic gifts in this light, we see that the movement of the Spirit works within the Church according to his will and with the cooperation of the faithful. At the same time, the movement recalls the subordination of the charismatic gifts to those gifts given through the sacraments—specifically, the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, as expressed in Isaiah 11:2-3, given to each Christian in baptism and deepened in confirmation.

You also asked about Charismatic style of worship, including at Masses. The Church does not have specific universal guidelines in this regard, although there are general norms prohibiting the faithful, including priests, to add or change anything in the Mass on their own authority (see Vatican II, Sacrosanctum Concilium22.1-3).

On the other hand, Charismatic proponents will argue that expressions of legitimate piety may be introduced into the Mass, according to the Church’s canonical tradition (see Code of Canon Law, can. 22ff.). And they will note, for example, that praying with hands upraised has taken place in many Masses in Vatican City and elsewhere in Rome at conferences recognized and overseen by the Holy See, and that this pietistic practice is also biblically well-grounded (see Psalms 28:2, 63:4, 134:2, 141:2).

They will make similar arguments for praying in tongues, although given how strange this practice is to most Catholics, its expression should be limited to Masses specifically offered for Catholic Charismatic groups. (One might make the same argument, though less strongly, regarding praying with upraised arms.) Whereas in past years Catholic Charismatics would pray in tongues during the consecration at Mass, there’s been a trend to refrain from doing so and praying in this manner only during the Gloria.

Some debate the authenticity of praying in tongues, referring to it as “pious gibberish” and distinguishing it from the gift of speaking in tongues, which involves speaking a foreign language, a gift the apostles manifested on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4–11). Others will cite St. Paul to support the gift’s authenticity, which involves praying in unintelligible utterances.

Unlike the other charismatic gifts, praying in tongues is difficult to authenticate in practice. Praying in tongues is also described by charismatic leaders as a gift that most people open to its reception receive. In any event, no one should feel compelled to seek or display a particular gift or prayer style.

Finally, a distinctive action that all Catholic Charismatics experience is being prayed over to receive the “baptism of the Holy Spirit.” This term can cause confusion, because it is not a sacrament, and one undoubtedly receives the Holy Spirit at baptism. But Catholic Charismatics describe the experience as stirring up the gifts one has received at baptism and confirmation and thus an increased experience of the Spirit in their lives and thus a fuller activation of the aforementioned gifts.

For further reading, here is a constructively critical article on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, and here is a pointedly positive one.

 
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still struggling with the same things. No support, few priests. I was part of it in the 80s. I learned to praise the Lord there and a prayer language. I actually started growing in the prayer meetings. Good people frowned on by the church. Needing teaching of the Bible, obedient but, many followers but, having more depth, but. Now you can be born again in the Catholic church without being charismatic. I wish more Catholics would be born again.
 
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I had experience with it in the 80's. I found it refreshing. But I never got "slain in the spirit" or "gift of tongues" or anything special.

I do like the idea of actually experiencing something powerful in addition to subtle peace. Who wouldn't?

But I also think that people can get a little too swept up into the emotion high.

And what exactly constitutes "charismatic"? Is it not mostly the tongues and emotional high? What am I missing?
 
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I had experience with it in the 80's. I found it refreshing. But I never got "slain in the spirit" or "gift of tongues" or anything special.

I do like the idea of actually experiencing something powerful in addition to subtle peace. Who wouldn't?

But I also think that people can get a little too swept up into the emotion high.

And what exactly constitutes "charismatic"? Is it not mostly the tongues and emotional high? What am I missing?
My experience was that the prayer groups became dominated by women. The emotionalism became a big part of
it, in fact one woman prayer group leader got upset with the group because there was no praying in tongues.

I had moved on soon after as I was drawn toward contemplative prayer. Eventually, me and my wife became
Discalced Carmelites, OCDS. Then, that community dissolved as people aged out. Now, we're not active
on an OCDS group, but we still pray together daily.
 
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All of the Chruch is piety. It could be a move of the Spirit; it could be a liturgy. It could be the Eucharist. I do not think it is wise to put God in a box and tell Him how He must do things. The general posture I take toward moves of the Spirit is cautiously optimistic.

I've experienced dreams, visions, miraculous healings, and all sorts of things. None of these things were forced by me or anyone else. They just happened.
 
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An option. A generally acceptable option but an option nonetheless.

It's one of the parts of the Catholic Church that show some life.
Yet it seems to be a distraction from the supernatural life that is the enduring, eternal Life the Holy Spirit is most yearning to bring to the Church. There is a place for the charisms, but there is a most important, foundational place for the 7 Gifts of the Spirit (Isa 11:2-3) which are all but ignored in the Church today, displaced by a modernized integration of Biblically recognized charisms of the Spirit with natural gifts and talents that are - it appears - leverage for getting parishioners to "do things" around the parish.

St. Paul was as clear as anyone could be, about the relative importance of charisms compared to the virtues (the highest being Love) which are perfected by the Isaian 7 Gifts:
1Co 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
The 7 Gifts are necessary, on the other hand, for the completion and perfection of the virtues (theological and moral)which are needed for salvation:
CCC 1831 The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. They belong in their fullness to Christ, Son of David.<Cf. Isa 11:1-2> They complete and perfect the virtues of those who receive them. They make the faithful docile in readily obeying divine inspirations.
Fr. R. Garrigou-Lagrange, an expert on Thomas Aquinas, writes (the Three Ways of the Spiritual Life)
... the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost, since they are connected with charity, are part of the supernatural organism, and, as St. Thomas teaches, are necessary for salvation, a fortiori for perfection.
[ref: [ I-IIae, Q. lxviii, art. 2, where these passages of Scripture are cited: 'God loveth none but him that dwelleth with wisdom' (Wisd. vii, 28), and 'Whosoever are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God' (Rom. viii, 14).]
 
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I took a couple Life in the Spirit classes years ago and my friend is sort of Charismatic or at least she was. I personally didnt care for it. Are Catholics supposed to be Charismatic now or is that just an option we have where we can be involved in it or not?
Hello! I have a few older relatives who were involved in the Catholic Charismatic movement. They described times of spiritual refreshing and a boldness to share their faith with others.

The weaknesses seemed to be as with all Charismatic movements in churches, if an overbearing or pushy person came along, they could have a detrimental effect on others. God Bless :)
 
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