Charismatic Movement inm Main Line

Dr.Strangelove said:

Kundalini spirits are not Gods gifts.

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Surely, you must have some results if you are speaking the truth in love over this situation, correct?

Hasn't the cessionalist campaign done anything?

Part 2

YouTube - SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 2- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom -Part 2

Sad fact for your segment of Christianity isn't it? You have nothing to show for all that work against those churches operating in GOD's gifts, you haven't slowed them down one bit.

No results = no truth

Origins
Main article: General Council of the Assemblies of God in the United States of America

The Assemblies of God has its roots in the Pentecostal revival of the early 20th century. This revival is generally traced to a prayer meeting held under the leadership of Charles Parham, at Bethel Bible College in Topeka, Kansas, on January 1, 1901. It spread rapidly to Missouri, Texas, California and elsewhere. In 1906, a three-year revival meeting under the leadership of William Seymour began at the Azusa Street Mission in Los Angeles that attracted believers from around the world. The Pentecostal aspects of the revival were not generally welcomed by established churches, and participants in the movement soon found themselves forced outside existing religious bodies. These people sought out their own places of worship and founded hundreds of distinctly Pentecostal congregations.

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Charles Fox Parham (4 June 1873 - c. 29 January 1929[2]) was an American preacher who was instrumental in the formation of Pentecostalism.[3] Also an Apostolic Faith movement of independent churches (initially called "missions") grew across the southern and western US from meetings Parham held there. While press reports were initially favorable in some of the areas Parham ministered, some of the large main line churches, and church hierarchy in Zion City, were not pleased with his ministry and did what they could to discourage furtherance of his teachings. As a result some of the press reports became more negative as his ministry approached its peak in 1906 and 1907.

There were also allegations of racism against Parham. Although Parham received criticism from Southerners at the time for going against culture in not conforming with segregation, because of a few comments and his endorsement of some aspects of British Israelitism, many have tried to brand Parham as a racist.

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British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the belief that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The concept often includes the belief that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David.[1][2] There has never been a single head or an organisational structure to the movement. Adherents may hold a diverse set of beliefs and claims that are ancillary to the core genealogical theory.

Many believe the central tenets of British Israelism contradict modern genetic, linguistic, archeological and historical evidence. They are considered by some without scientific credibility.[3][4] The concept and theory details have been thoroughly criticized.

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British Israelism variant
Main article: British Israelism
British Israelism (also known as 'Anglo-Israelism') is the theory that people of Western European descent, especially Britain and the United States, are descended from the lost tribes of Israel. Adherents argue that the deported Israelites became Scythians / Cimmerians who are ancestors of the Celts / Anglo-Saxons of Western Europe.[37] The theory arose in England, whence it spread to the United States.[38] During the 20th Century, British Israelism was promoted by Herbert W. Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God.[39] Armstrong argued that this theory provided a 'key' to understanding biblical prophecy, and that he was called to proclaim these prophecies to the 'lost tribes' of Israel before the coming of the 'end-times'[40]. The Worldwide Church of God no longer teaches the theory[41], but some offshoot churches such as the Philadelphia Church of God, the United Church of God, and the Living Church of God continue to teach it even though British Israelism is inconsistent with the findings of modern genetics.

ARBITER01 said:

Sad fact for your segment of Christianity isn't it? You have nothing to show for all that work against those churches operating in GOD's gifts, you haven't slowed them down one bit.

No results = no truth

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JESUS CHRIST, THE GREAT I AM speaking:

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Sanctify
αγιασον verb - aorist active middle - second person singular
hagiazo hag-ee-ad'-zo: to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate -- hallow, be holy, sanctify.

truth
αληθεια noun - dative singular feminine
aletheia al-ay'-thi-a: truth -- true, truly, truth, verity.

WORD
λογος noun - nominative singular masculine
logos log'-os: something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ) -- account, cause, communication, concerning, doctrine, fame, have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.

truth
αληθεια noun - nominative singular feminine
aletheia al-ay'-thi-a: truth -- true, truly, truth, verity.

how is it we are SANCTIFIED?
what did Jesus say?

ARBITER01 said:

Surely, you must have some results if you are speaking the truth in love over this situation, correct?

Hasn't the cessionalist campaign done anything?

Sad fact for your segment of Christianity isn't it? You have nothing to show for all that work against those churches operating in GOD's gifts, you haven't slowed them down one bit.

No results = no truth

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What kinda 'results' are you looking for friend?

Maybe some tangible, worldly, fleshy things that you can touch and feel?

Is this stuff what Jesus wanted us to be doing?

Is it of God?

Or of someone else?

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A delusion is upon the earth. Unfortunately, a great part of it has come through the church. A greater delusion comes.

False spirits invade the church – KUNDALINI WARNING

godsplumb: footage of one of the worst “invasions” of false spirits that the church has ever seen. Proof that she has been invaded by counterfeit spirits on a worldwide scale. This is Part One of a documentary tracing this massive invasion – and showing the terrible impact it has had. Please share it with your friends.

Leaders and movements involved:

prophetic, apostolic, todd bentley, lakeland revival, rick joyner, morningstar, toronto blessing, new mystics, john crowder, ihop, mike bickle, patricia king, false revival, the river, bob jones, john paul jackson, sid roth, chuck pierce, bill johnson, randy clark, peter wagner, dutch sheets, pentecostal, charismatic.

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Dr.Strangelove said:

What kinda 'results' are you looking for friend?

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I'm not too sure as I never read of a mass movement away from the gifts of GOD, documented history has the opposite happening.

I have other things to do today, if you find something of usefulness, please post, but as it stands, your crusade has been failing for quite some time.

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The True Workings of God, and Counterfeits of Satan.

"Knowledge and all discernment; so that ye may prove the things that
differ, that ye may be sincere and void of offence. . . ." Phil. 1: 9,10, m.

The True Workings of God, and Counterfeits of Satan (Part 1 of 2)

child of Jesus said:

The True Workings of God, and Counterfeits of Satan.

"Knowledge and all discernment; so that ye may prove the things that
differ, that ye may be sincere and void of offence. . . ." Phil. 1: 9,10, m.

The True Workings of God, and Counterfeits of Satan (Part 1 of 2)

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When you get some time, post some results from the cessionalist crusade. I'm just interested to see if your effort all these years has really done anything.

ARBITER01 said:

When you get some time, post some results from the cessionalist crusade. I'm just interested to see if your effort all these years has really done anything.

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I'm afraid the only results I could show you would be a congregation of Christians with the fullness of the spirit co-existent with the use of their faculties and self control.

It wouldn't be too exciting for someone used to a 'spirit' that jumps about, runs around, giggles uncontrollably, talks gibberish, falls on the floor with spasms etc.

Oh, you're talkng about the abuses of the gifts of the Holy Spirit then.
In that case, I couldn't agree with you more!

ARBITER01 said:

When you get some time, post some results from the cessionalist crusade. I'm just interested to see if your effort all these years has really done anything.

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well, the work of others who have gone ahead have helped a great deal in warning against it....so that's a good result.

child of Jesus said:

well, the work of others who have gone ahead have helped a great deal in warning against it....so that's a good result.

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Has it stopped the gifts of GOD?

Sorry it hasn't. You're still complaining and Pentecostal churches are still growing. Your crusade is a failure.

RevRo said:

Oh, you're talkng about the abuses of the gifts of the Holy Spirit then.
In that case, I couldn't agree with you more!

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'Fraid not Reverand. We're gonna have to let go of the spiritual gifts business all together. Like we should have done 2000 years ago.

The only things left that we see are cheap counterfeits of those gifts.

The Word of God is all we have left, and all we require.

ARBITER01 said:

Has it stopped the gifts of GOD?

Sorry it hasn't. You're still complaining and Pentecostal churches are still growing. Your crusade is a failure.

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Do you think the world is getting better, for Christians especially, and will continue to do so until the second advent?

Just interested. Are you still answering questions? I've noticed you've been stonewalling. Do we still have a dialogue?

Dr.Strangelove said:

The only things left that we see are cheap counterfeits of those gifts.

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That's a bold statement and not all of the gifts I've seen are counterfeit. You're borderline on preaching against teh Holy Spirit and that's trepedatious ground. You would have to have absolute knowledge to make any such laim and that would be you assuming you're as knowledgable as God. You're not denying the power of the Holy Spirit today are you?

tackattack said:

That's a bold statement and not all of the gifts I've seen are counterfeit. You're borderline on preaching against teh Holy Spirit and that's trepedatious ground. You would have to have absolute knowledge to make any such laim and that would be you assuming you're as knowledgable as God. You're not denying the power of the Holy Spirit today are you?

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Wouldn't YOU have to have the knowledge of God to make that claim then by you're logic?

No I'm not denying the power of the Holy Spirit today. I'm denying the supernatural ability of modern men to manipulate that power.

Welcome to the party.