Originally posted by SSPX
Hi Jason,
Here's a quote from St. Augustine, taken from the Summa Theologica:
And therefore, as Augustine says (Tract. xxxii in Joan.), "whereas even now the Holy Ghost is received, yet no one speaks in the tongues of all nations, because the Church herself already speaks the languages of all nations: since whoever is not in the Church, receives not the Holy Ghost." http://www.newadvent.org/summa/317601.htm
Hi Joe,
I heard St. Augustine recanted. I found this quote somewhere:
St. Augustine experienced a revival that swept North Africa where he was bishop. He wrote of miraculous healings from breast cancer, paralysis, hernia - even raising of the dead after the funeral was arranged. In his own church, two epileptics were instantly healed after they had fallen to the floor in convulsions. "Praise to God was shouted so loud that my ears could scarcely stand the din (Spencer Gear, St. Augustine: The Skeptic Who Believed, Charisma, Sept. 1984, p.45)
I think I can find some more quotes as well, but not right now.
Many, maybe most charismatics seem to think that tounges is a private prayer language. I remember going to a barbeque at my pentacostalist friend's house, and hearing one of his pastors, who was there, tell my friend to practice speaking in tounges for five minutes each day. Then he gave an example which sounded something like "abafeapotivczeivoncvaf". The scary part is that he was serious. The Holy Ghost does not operate like a light bulb that can be turned on and off whenever a person wants to... I think one of the major problems of the charismatic movement is that followers act like the Holy Ghost can be manipulated by them.
I don't see why tongues sounds scary. Actually there are some that are really freaky sounding. But tongues is supposed to sound like a real language, and I know of several people who had instances where they literally spoke prayed in tongues and people would understand these strange utterances, because God was clearly using them to speak that particular language. I think what you were sharing about is a bit extreme. Tongues for the most part shouldn't sound scary at all. And scripture clearly commands not to pray in tongues among others unless someone can interpret it (1 Cor. 14:27)
Now, I don't know what goes on at your church but the charismatic movement originated from Pentacostalism, which is based on a number of heresies and has infiltrated the Catholic Church out of a desire for novelty on the part of some Catholics, and for those reasons Catholics should have nothing to do with the charismatic movement.
What exactly do you mean 'charismatic movement'? Is that to say do not ever use the gifts, which apostle Paul says to eagerly desire? (1 Cor 12:31, 1 Cor 14:1)
God bless!
-Jason
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