Charasmatics Stance on Evolution

[CeeBee]

I was kinda horrified to find that many Catholics believe in evolution. I believe in Creation, not like evolution in any way. What do charasmatics think?

 

[Anthony]

I was kinda horrified to find that many Catholics believe in evolution. I believe in Creation, not like evolution in any way. What do charismatics think?

When talking about evolution, it needs to be broken down first.

I believe in creation as defined in the Bible, but also evolution, micro-evolution that is. After God created his basic set of animals, they like man after the fall, started to change over time. The animals of Adam & Eve have since adapted and changed over the last thousands of years.

Creation - Is how things started
Evolution - Is how things changed after they were created

Some have combined the two, and there lies the problem and the debate.

The question is do you believe in the creation story as fact or fable?

 

[Heinrich]

I don't think creation/evolution is very specific to charismatic...
I believe in creation.. as in the world was made in 6 days!
It took me a long while to change my believe to this from the evolutionary worldview I was taught.
I would guess most charismatics will maybe go for the creationism side?

 

[CeeBee]

I hope so. I am sorry, but this time Catholics disappointed me.

 

[Anthony]

I hope so. I am sorry, but this time Catholics disappointed me.

You have to remember that the Catholic Church got burned early when it got involved in science issues. The whole issue with the sun moving around the earth, got them into a doctrine with no escape. Since then they have veer off from such subjects. But it isn't just Catholics, there are Christians who consider themselves to be "Liberal" Christian who believe the same way, and don't stop there but go on to discount many of the Bible stories and characters.

 

[CeeBee]

Anthony, can you reexplain your last sentence?

 

[Anthony]

There are Christians which take a "liberal" stance and take stories like Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark, Job etc - and simply state that these are not real events but rather teaching stories for God's purpose.

 

[Andrew]

I believe in creation and totally reject evolution, mirco or macro or whatever.

so far, i dont know any charismatic that believes in evolution. I'm pretty sure WOF also rejects evolution.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I am charismatic and WOF.
I can see how some elements of evolution could work.
Natural Selection for example.
Trouble is, natural selection leads to the degradation of the gene pool, not to the enhancement of it. This would seem to support a theory of "devolution" rather than "evolution".

Example:
A giraffe with a long neck would naturally be more prone to survive than one with a short neck. But that does not explain where the long neck and the short neck came from to start with. Nothing new is created in this example. In fact something is lost. Hence-devolution.

The biggest problem with evolution is... how is change brought about? Science has no explanation that will work.

 

[OnederWoman]

When talking about evolution, it needs to be broken down first.

I believe in creation as defined in the Bible, but also evolution, micro-evolution that is. After God created his basic set of animals, they like man after the fall, started to change over time. The animals of Adam & Eve have since adapted and changed over the last thousands of years.

Creation - Is how things started
Evolution - Is how things changed after they were created

Some have combined the two, and there lies the problem and the debate.

The question is do you believe in the creation story as fact or fable?

Ditto, maybe?

I believe in the Biblical account of creation and that it is literal.

I believe in micro-evolution (I think that's the one)... in that there is adaptation and change. For instance, on the ark there was probably just one general dog.... yet today they have evolved into eveything from the chihuahua to the great dane.... but, they are still dogs and regardless of how many breeds come into being they will always be dogs just as they have always been. I don't believe that fish evolved into mammals or anything like that. Each species has always been that species.... human always human, cat always cat, bird always bird, etc.

 

[Andrew]

I believe in micro-evolution (I think that's the one)... in that there is adaptation and change. For instance, on the ark there was probably just one general dog.... yet today they have evolved into eveything from the chihuahua to the great dane.... but, they are still dogs and regardless of how many breeds come into being they will always be dogs just as they have always been.

Is that called mirco-evolution? I thot evolution whether macro or micro was supposed to be an unpward thing, ie species getting better, not worse -- loss of gene information from the original gene pool.

The chihuahua, for eg, will get a heart attack if you run him to hard *LOL something like that. Ask any cross breeder and they'll tell you some breeds just can't survive long of have certain major weaknesses. It's more like mutation -- which is a bad thing, not a good thing, certainly not evolution.

 

[CeeBee]

Oh. Well, I am not liberal, and am happy all Christians don't, believe in evolution.

 

[Benedicta00]

Oh. Well, I am not liberal, and am happy all Christians don't, believe in evolution.

You are not bound to believe in evolution as a Catholic.

 

[OnederWoman]

Is that called mirco-evolution? I thot evolution whether macro or micro was supposed to be an unpward thing, ie species getting better, not worse -- loss of gene information from the original gene pool.

The chihuahua, for eg, will get a heart attack if you run him to hard *LOL something like that. Ask any cross breeder and they'll tell you some breeds just can't survive long of have certain major weaknesses. It's more like mutation -- which is a bad thing, not a good thing, certainly not evolution.

I'm not totally read up on the subject (though we are planning to get some creation science materials for our children to supplement them... since I know they won't get it at public school... if we could afford it we'd do Christian school), but I was lumping mutation in with adaption as both being changes. All I know is my ancestors were never apes or monkeys or any single celled organism

 

[CeeBee]

Great, Shelb. Though I already knew that, I am happy for the thought to be reinforced.

 

[MikeMcK]

What do charasmatics think?

I don't believe in it.

 

[CeeBee]

Hmmm, not one evolutionist charasmatic. But I still claim my Catholic faith.

 

[Andrew]

All I know is my ancestors were never apes or monkeys or any single celled organism

I definitely amen! that onederwoman.

Science and Bible aside, I'm amused that some take pride in having great grandpas and grandmas who swung from tree to tree, and went "hoo hoo haa haa haa!". And they actually get upset with you for telling them its not so.

 

[Anthony]

Ditto, maybe?

I believe in the Biblical account of creation and that it is literal.

I believe in micro-evolution (I think that's the one)... in that there is adaptation and change. For instance, on the ark there was probably just one general dog.... yet today they have evolved into eveything from the chihuahua to the great dane.... but, they are still dogs and regardless of how many breeds come into being they will always be dogs just as they have always been. I don't believe that fish evolved into mammals or anything like that. Each species has always been that species.... human always human, cat always cat, bird always bird, etc.

B-I-N-G-O

The whole evolution debate, is all about creation, the start, the beginning, everything that happens after is used to justify their theories for the start. They feel if you can prove the after it proves the start, sorry it doesn't compute for me.

 

[CeeBee]

Yeah.