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[PsychoSarah]

What does it mean that there are biology fails exactly when you don't believe that truth really exists?

Perceptions exist in the same way all ideas do, and reality does exist, I just don't view truth and reality as being one and the same.

Plus, don't think I don't know that it is possible to believe something or state something which doesn't match reality.

 

[EternalDragon]

And women don't have worse bleeding after giving birth to girls than they do giving birth to boys. And many other things.

There is no indications of "worse bleeding" in those passages. It is all based on customs and ceremony as far as the spiritual cleanness of the baby, not the mother.

 

[Armoured]

Are we listing Biblical bio fails?

Well, off the top of my head...

Rabbits don't chew cud, unicorns don't exist, and a representative of every species couldn't walk to Noah's house and then berth happily thereon for a year or so.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Perceptions exist in the same way all ideas do, and reality does exist, I just don't view truth and reality as being one and the same.

Plus, don't think I don't know that it is possible to believe something or state something which doesn't match reality.

So in reality the Bible really doesn't fail in biology.

 

[PsychoSarah]

So in reality the Bible really doesn't fail in biology.

In reality, the bible makes references to biology related matters that greatly conflict with the reality of biology.

 

[EternalDragon]

...so it's your contention that the rearmost limbs of grasshoppers aren't legs?

Legs for crawling, no.

The only difference with some beetle like insects are the mouth parts, like the Planthopper, which does leap with it's hind legs. Besides, the Hebrew word "beetle" means "leaping or jumping insect". Not the beetle in our classification system.

Is it your contention to misread something in order to try to point out some invisible error so you can say that is the reason God isn't real?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

They do only have four legs for moving. And two specialized limbs for jumping. The bible is quite accurate. Your statement above in incorrect.

"Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing, that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; (including) the locust . . . the beetle . . . and the grasshopper after his kind" (Leviticus 11:21,22).

You must have missed reading this verse:

Lev 11:23
23 "But all other winged insects which are four-footed are detestable to you.
NASU


There are NO four footed winged insects.

Just because the grasshopper legs in back stick up high, does not stop them from being legs.

Its quite clear what the OT is proscribing, there. Flies, beetles, and so forth are unclean.

They are not four footed. They are six legged.

 

[PsychoSarah]

There is no indications of "worse bleeding" in those passages. It is all based on customs and ceremony as far as the spiritual cleanness of the baby, not the mother.

Leviticus 12:2 through 12:5 , women bleed for a week after the birth of a boy and are unclean for 33 days, bleed for 2 weeks and are unclean for 66 days after the birth of a girl.

 

[EternalDragon]

Are we listing Biblical bio fails?

Well, off the top of my head...

Rabbits don't chew cud, unicorns don't exist, and a representative of every species couldn't walk to Noah's house and then berth happily thereon for a year or so.

Rabbits do re-eat their food (refection), single horned rhinoceros do exist (unicorns) and all land continents were connected before Noah's flood as well as many less species existing then, than today.

 

[Oncedeceived]

In reality, the bible makes references to biology related matters that greatly conflict with the reality of biology.

So? If there is no truth in relationship to reality your statement is contradictory to your position.

 

[EternalDragon]

Leviticus 12:2 through 12:5 , women bleed for a week after the birth of a boy and are unclean for 33 days, bleed for 2 weeks and are unclean for 66 days after the birth of a girl.

Unclean does not mean bleeding. It means no sex. It is ceremonial.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Unclean does not mean bleeding. It means no sex. It is ceremonial.

Sorry, I flip flopped it by mistake, the 33 and the 66 days are the bleeding, it reads oddly.

"She shall continue in her blood" and similar statements refer to the extended bleeding women have after giving birth.

 

[EternalDragon]

You must have missed reading this verse:

Lev 11:23
23 "But all other winged insects which are four-footed are detestable to you.
NASU


There are NO four footed winged insects.

Just because the grasshopper legs in back stick up high, does not stop them from being legs.

Its quite clear what the OT is proscribing, there. Flies, beetles, and so forth are unclean.

They are not four footed. They are six legged.

Yes, it does. Those back legs on a grasshopper are entirely different from the front four. Just because the bible has more detail than what you would does not mean it is wrong or in error. Even the hind legs on a bee are different than the other four and used differently.

So yes, there are many "four footed, winged insects".

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, it does. Those back legs on a grasshopper are entirely different from the front four. Just because the bible has more detail than what you would does not mean it is wrong or in error. Even the hind legs on a bee are different than the other four and used differently.

So yes, there are many "four footed, winged insects".

so if I use my feet like hands, and my legs like arms, apparently to you they stop being legs.

 

[EternalDragon]

Sorry, I flip flopped it by mistake, the 33 and the 66 days are the bleeding, it reads oddly.

"She shall continue in her blood" and similar statements refer to the extended bleeding women have after giving birth.

Still, only ceremonial. You have to realize you are reading from a translation into English, which is far more vanilla and direct than Hebrew.

Menstruation = niddah = separation from marital relations and sacred things.

Niddah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PsychoSarah]

Still, only ceremonial. You have to realize you are reading from a translation into English, which is far more vanilla and direct than Hebrew.

Menstruation = niddah = separation from marital relations and sacred things.

Niddah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Blood is blood though, and apparently women of old just sat in it until it stopped. Which is really gross.

 

[EternalDragon]

so if I use my feet like hands, and my legs like arms, apparently to you they stop being legs.

No. If I say humans have only two limbs for locomotion then you would try to argue that we can walk on all fours so have four limbs for moving around. That is the nonsense you are using to argue with the bible.

 

[EternalDragon]

Blood is blood though, and apparently women of old just sat in it until it stopped. Which is really gross.

Are you deliberately trying to be dense? Those passages have nothing to do with bleeding.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Blood is blood though, and apparently women of old just sat in it until it stopped. Which is really gross.

Why would you think they just sat in it?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why would you think they just sat in it?

Leviticus 12:5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.

Some translations sound more along the lines of "and she shall remain in her bleeding/blood".