Changing the purpose of this forum

[RC_NewProtestants]

Just ask the administration to change the name as a first step. There is no reason to have former Adventists as part of the forum name.

Now having said that, RC you are singing a TOTALLY different tune than you all were with the traditionals.

How is that? In that case I am just as much an Adventist as they are. The forum was an SDA forum.

If you remember this from the 3rd or forth post on this thread by VictorC:

The heading for this congregational forum is Progressive/Moderate/Former Adventists, which is reasonably consistent with my observation that this "congregation" appeals to people in various stages of transition out of the seventh-day Adventist church.

I think that is the message that the Former Adventists want this forum to be. But Progressive Adventism has never been about transition out of the SDA church. The purpose is to spur progress within the SDA church. Thus I think he summed up the need for a change in the purpose of this forum.

 

[tall73]

How is that? In that case I am just as much an Adventist as they are. The forum was an SDA forum.

How is it? Previously you wanted discussion even when some did not. But now you call it badgering. If you don't like some discussions then skip those threads. It works for all of these disputes.

Adventist forum or not CF says everyone can post here. So you have to live with that reality. I don't think you all need to have formers in the title. But according to CF you do have to let everyone post. The real problem for progressives is that they will have a hard time formulating a statement of faith that excludes the formers yet includes all that would consider themselves progressive. CF doesn't limit by titles anymore but by content. And that means you have to define progressive beliefs which run a large spectrum. CF previously defined progressive Adventists as those who do not hold to one ore more of the fundamental beliefs, or traditional interpretation thereof. But of course that could be nearly anyone.The only way to limit posting to what you want is to limit the definition of progressives to a set of beliefs.

 

[tall73]

If you remember this from the 3rd or forth post on this thread by VictorC:

The heading for this congregational forum is Progressive/Moderate/Former Adventists, which is reasonably consistent with my observation that this "congregation" appeals to people in various stages of transition out of the seventh-day Adventist church.

I think that is the message that the Former Adventists want this forum to be. But Progressive Adventism has never been about transition out of the SDA church. The purpose is to spur progress within the SDA church. Thus I think he summed up the need for a change in the purpose of this forum.

The statement itself calls it an observation. And it is accurate in some respects. This board does appeal to those transitioning out of the church because both groups share the rejection of some elements of the Adventist church's traditional beliefs.

 

[Sophia7]

Hi Sophia.

Is there away that one can make a private area that can only be entered through a special membership? I've seen posting areas within a forum which could only be read and eccessed by special membership.

AT

There are private social groups. Is that what you're talking about?

 

[Sophia7]

Obviously that has not worked as we get people violating both our current FSG's as well as the CF site rules. We don't want to restrict the content other then we already have with wanting people to post the reasons for something. Some have been every questioning of other opinions yet when they come to their reasons it is simply "I believe" on whatever subject without any reasons put forth. They are ever willing to criticize other's who give their reasons but they can't be bothered to give a reason.

Again obviously moderation can't fix that problem. Just as it has done nothing to help when people come here and declare that another poster does not trust God. So the first step should be to change the forum name so that it does not represent a forum home for people who are here simply because they are former Adventists.

Moderation can't fix everything, but the moderators may not even be aware of posts that break the rules if you don't report them. They don't read everything here, so they rely on reports to alert them to problems. Also, the moderators have been working reports fairly quickly since the CF upgrade.

As far as changing the name of the forum, I've asked about the possibility, and it's up to ProfessorMom and the site advisers to decide.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

How is it? Previously you wanted discussion even when some did not. But now you call it badgering. If you don't like some discussions then skip those threads. It works for all of these disputes.

Adventist forum or not CF says everyone can post here. So you have to live with that reality. I don't think you all need to have formers in the title. But according to CF you do have to let everyone post. The real problem for progressives is that they will have a hard time formulating a statement of faith that excludes the formers yet includes all that would consider themselves progressive. CF doesn't limit by titles anymore but by content. And that means you have to define progressive beliefs which run a large spectrum. CF previously defined progressive Adventists as those who do not hold to one ore more of the fundamental beliefs, or traditional interpretation thereof. But of course that could be nearly anyone.The only way to limit posting to what you want is to limit the definition of progressives to a set of beliefs.

Previously I wanted discussion in a debate and discussion forum open to all. That is the same thing I have agreed to here as Moichere suggested a debate subforum for former's and traditionals etc. So that is hardly a difference more aptly a similarity. I called some of the discussion here badgering (though I did not use that term) because that is what it is when those people make declarations about other Christians faith in God. Or when those former Adventists refuse to answer our questions but demand that we answer theirs. So in effect they are here only to attack and not contribute to a discussion, not all of them of course but as the saying goes a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

Actually the identification of forum members as Adventists would serve to limit the Former's as not Progressive Adventists. So that is not really a problem.

"CF doesn't limit by titles anymore but by content."

I am not sure I understand that when there are so many titles of forums. Titles must have some meaning. The meaning is that they refer particular people of particular religious ideas to particular forums. Therefore the first step and maybe it will be the only step is that the forum name is changed.

 

[Sophia7]

Previously I wanted discussion in a debate and discussion forum open to all. That is the same thing I have agreed to here as Moichere suggested a debate subforum for former's and traditionals etc. So that is hardly a difference more aptly a similarity. I called some of the discussion here badgering (though I did not use that term) because that is what it is when those people make declarations about other Christians faith in God. Or when those former Adventists refuse to answer our questions but demand that we answer theirs. So in effect they are here only to attack and not contribute to a discussion, not all of them of course but as the saying goes a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

Actually the identification of forum members as Adventists would serve to limit the Former's as not Progressive Adventists. So that is not really a problem.

"CF doesn't limit by titles anymore but by content."

I am not sure I understand that when there are so many titles of forums. Titles must have some meaning. The meaning is that they refer particular people of particular religious ideas to particular forums. Therefore the first step and maybe it will be the only step is that the forum name is changed.

I don't think he meant forum titles but poster titles. In other words, as I said earlier, CF doesn't go by faith icons anymore but by the statement of faith and FSGs of a particular forum to moderate posts according to content.

 

[tall73]

I called some of the discussion here badgering (though I did not use that term) because that is what it is when those people make declarations about other Christians faith in God. Or when those former Adventists refuse to answer our questions but demand that we answer theirs. So in effect they are here only to attack and not contribute to a discussion, not all of them of course but as the saying goes a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

And that to me seems exactly what the traditionals were claiming. Either way no one has to participate in discussions they don't want to, or answer questions they don't want to.

Actually the identification of forum members as Adventists would serve to limit the Former's as not Progressive Adventists. So that is not really a problem.

If your just worried about the name that is fine. But you can no longer say "this or that type of person cannot post here or debate here" anymore. You can only say "this is our set of beliefs, and no one can post against them."

I am not sure I understand that when there are so many titles of forums. Titles must have some meaning. The meaning is that they refer particular people of particular religious ideas to particular forums. Therefore the first step and maybe it will be the only step is that the forum name is changed.

Currently a group must make a statement of faith to limit discussion. It is not based on who excepts the statement of faith but simply to not speaking against points that are a part of the statement of faith.

 

[StormyOne]

I am not interested in limiting discussion.... I am concerned that discussion soon deteriorates and members begin to say who is or is not a christian, who does or does not have faith/intelligence/etc, and/or other personal attacks.... I don't know that there is a remedy for that unfortunately.... What makes it so difficult to simply say, "thank you for sharing what you believe, I don't agree so let's discuss something else..." That's what is frustrating for me....

 

[Adventist Dissident]

advent truth, I have a Seventh-day Evangelical Adventist social group. want to join?


As far as the name Change, We are going to Change it to
SDA Evangelical/Progressive

 

[Adventtruth]

There are private social groups. Is that what you're talking about?

No...If my memory serves me correctly, years ago at Club adventist and a few other Adventist forums, there where private sections with in the forum that could only be accessed with a code. There was no way of entering and reading if you where not part of that group. It was totally private.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

advent truth, I have a Seventh-day Evangelical Adventist social group. want to join?


As far as the name Change, We are going to Change it to
SDA Evangelical/Progressive

Hi ice. I no longer consider myself Evangelical SDA, but if you will have me, I will be happy to join.

AT

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Hi ice. I no longer consider myself Evangelical SDA, but if you will have me, I will be happy to join.

AT

what do you consider your self?

 

[Adventtruth]

what do you consider your self?

A sinner saved by grace alone.

AT

 

[sentipente]

A sinner saved by grace alone.

AT

Umm. No one is saved by grace. We are saved by love. Only love saves.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I am not interested in limiting discussion.... I am concerned that discussion soon deteriorates and members begin to say who is or is not a christian, who does or does not have faith/intelligence/etc, and/or other personal attacks.... I don't know that there is a remedy for that unfortunately.... What makes it so difficult to simply say, "thank you for sharing what you believe, I don't agree so let's discuss something else..." That's what is frustrating for me....

I understand your frustration. If that happened to me, I too would be frustrated. However, you're painting with a wide brush. To my knowledge, I have not been guilty of such behavior. Therefore, it is a case-by-case issue. If you are being mistreated by one specific poster, please report him or her. That is quite different than having an entire group banished (which our thread sponsor clearly advocates).

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

There is no reason to have former Adventists as part of the forum name.

No reason? So we haven't been posting here all this time? How can you speak for others in this manner?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

What you can do is limit debate by your FSGs and your statement of faith. If you want to change things, my suggestion would be to designate the main Progressive forum for fellowship only and add a debate sub-forum.

I note the difference between this option and the option presented in the OP of this thread. Assuming that formers would be welcome in both the fellowship and the debate sections, I am 100% supportive of this option. I am bad at math, but I believe I have now supported two separate attempts at compromise (and both attempts were brought to us by our CARM moderators/administrators).

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Again obviously moderation can't fix that problem.

By your own admission in this thread, you haven't even given the moerators an opportunity by reporting questionable posts for their review!

BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

Umm. No one is saved by grace. We are saved by love. Only love saves.

Kindly explain this please.

(Eph 2:8) For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,


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