Changing my icon

[woobadooba]

What do you mean by this?

I proposed that theistic evolution not be discussed in this forum, and that the moral influence theory not be discussed here either.

The people that you are i agreement with in the wiki discussion want these things in here.

Do you realize how dangerous these doctrines are?

There is nothing wrong with restricting certain topics from discussion.

And I don't think I was being unfair.

 

[Mankin]

I just now heard of the Remnant theory from here. I don't really agree with it.

 

[DarylFawcett]

I proposed that theistic evolution not be discussed in this forum, and that the moral influence theory not be discussed here either.

The people that you are i agreement with in the wiki discussion want these things in here.

Do you realize how dangerous these doctrines are?

There is nothing wrong with restricting certain topics from discussion.

And I don't think I was being unfair.

I am for it being added and possibly eventually being voted on, however, I disagree with the editing you did there in which you also deleted a good suggestion I made that was added there in regards to staying on topic.

I suggested in the discussion there that it be edited back to what it was before you edited it from which you can then add what you would like to see there without removing what is already there.

 

[BonnieBee]

So do I I live for Christ, and in doing so I follow certain doctrines- I don't live for the church. One thing that can so easily happen is that you forget about following what you see is right because the church tells you no.

Good luck on your questing of truth, Bonnie

Yeah, that's true...
Thanks

One of the problems we, as sinful man, have brought upon ourselves is to think there is any such thing as a remnant church. Many groups of people have come to the conclusion that there is a remnant church and the name of that church is the Seventh Day Adventist or any other denominational name. The Bible never talks about a remnant church. What the Bible does talk about is a remnant people. These people will have a manifestation of the Father's character in how they live their lives.

The name Seventh Day Adventist came long after God began establishing His people on this earth through His Son Jesus Christ.

As these people begin to individually grow they will find themselves seeking the body of Christ, also known as, the church. Those who are involved in this heavenly calling will find themselves being drawn to others of like minded faith, the faith of Christ. These people are called God's children and were later given a name by man as Christians because they followed Christ.

The logo one should display if one would want to identify with a particular group should be the cross of Christ. Displaying a denominational logo or icon may help others understand what you believe but just as with any denominational icon or logo comes all the baggage that particular denomination carries.

I believe Ellen White should be treated just like any other inspired Christian writer. If she writes or says something that can be found in Scripture and brings a clearer understanding of what is found in Scripture then we are to receive it and be blessed just like any other Christian writer. But if she says or writes things that are not found in Scripture then we are to view it just like if any other Christian writer wrote it.

A Prophet today is one who speaks and expounds from the written words that are already found in the Bible. God may speak through today's Prophet to direct an individual or a church by pointing out things that are not acceptable to God. This is done because some times we can't see the forest because of the trees. God can give directions through today's Prophet for the plans and goals of a particular person or group of people, as far as, what and how to do a particular thing. Today's Prophet can be anyone who is open and available to be used by God. We are not to exalt this person nor are we to seek new revelations from this person regarding God other than what has already been revealed through His Son and the Apostles.

Acts 20:26-27 So, today I can tell you one thing that I am sure of: I'm not to blame, if some of you will not be saved! I can say this, because I know I told you everything that God wants you to know.

Having said all this, don't feel that you are any less a child of God because of a denominational icon or logo. In the kingdom there will be no Seventh Day Adventists nor will there be Catholics, only God's children will be there.

John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Matthew 12:48-50 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, "Who is My mother and who are My brothers?'' And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers! "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.''

May the Father be exalted through the work of His Son in us. Amen and amen...

Good post! Well said.

I just now heard of the Remnant theory from here. I don't really agree with it.

The thing is, there are many of God's people out there, who aren't SDA's...

Anyway, we'd better not hijack this thread...

 

[DarylFawcett]

Seeing the thread is about changing an icon, I think this thread was already previously hijacked.

 

[maco]

What is the difference between someone who speaks under the inspiration of the Spirit who has the title of prophet, and someone who speaks under inspiration of the Spirit who has no such title?

Hi Enduim,

In the OT you had certain people who were raised up by God to lead His people. When the kings and rulers needed guiding they would bring the prophet to the kings court and have the prophet give direction from the Lord. Many times these prophets would not be heard or even killed because of what they said, then God would raise up another. Many of what these propehts said and wrote set the stange for us to understand God's work of salvation. God has spoken in times past that He would raise up a Prophet like unto Moses.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. `And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

Acts 3:22-26 "For Moses truly said to the fathers, `The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. `And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.' "Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days. "You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, `And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.' "To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.''

This Prophet is Jesus. God tells us that in times past God spoke to us through prophets, in other words, the office of prophet. But in these last days God is speaking to us through His Son.

Hebrews 1:1-2 IN MANY and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

This office of prophet that we see in the OT and in Jesus is not the same as we see in the church today. What we see in the church is the gift of prophecy. In other words, God, through His Son, will use many people to prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:29-33 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

Here we have several people within the same congregation prophesying together even to the point of being warned not to bring about confusion. We don't see this in the OT.

The office of Prophet for God's church today belongs to Jesus, though many people will prophesy by the Spirit of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

Today's prophets will direct God's people and expound on the Scriptures when God's people are missing the mark. They will bring them back to God's plan through the Scriptures. They may even speak of things that have not yet come to pass to aide in the direction of the church or to prepare the church for what's in store. But todays church is not like the nation of Israel. There are many churches in many locations throughout the world with many different burdens of service. God will raise up prophets from within all these areas to aide a particular group in their particular location for their particular work for their particular time. Even with all this being done, the one true Prophet working in and through all these who prophesy is Jesus.

Acts 6:9-10 Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke.

 

[djconklin]

1 Corinthians 14:29-33 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

Here we have several people within the same congregation prophesying together even to the point of being warned not to bring about confusion.

That's because there were too many people speaking at once. Not that there was any confusion in the message.

 

[maco]

That's because there were too many people speaking at once. Not that there was any confusion in the message.

I understand that but my point was that here we have several people prophesying all together in one congregation which is not something you saw in the OT. In the OT God would raise up a prophet to direct the nation of Israel but in the NT many people are prophesying. This is because God in now pouring out His Spirit on all flesh.

 

[NightEternal]

Windmill, how are things going with your spiritual journey? I'm hoping you find some answers to your doubts and questions.

 

[Windmill]

Windmill, how are things going with your spiritual journey? I'm hoping you find some answers to your doubts and questions.

I've been sick the last two sabbaths () so was not able to really look much into the EGW issue. Throughuot the school week, well, we have exams fast approaching on this side of the globe, so my non-sabbath days are taken up by school, homework, rest. Oh, and eating Am better today though so will make an attempt to take a look at that book.

While I do find EGW's materials disturbing to read often (the tone is so different from that of the bible- she is so harsh. She makes so many claims on things we must do, that can no way be justified logically or by the bible. If the bible were to tell me so then fine, but...) it is not that that is drawing me away from her, but rather, the bibles verses of womens role in the church.

Here I am, reading Amazing Facts who state that women should surely not teach men and certainly NOT preach in church but yet hold EGW up to the same level of inspiration as the bible half the time! Mate, you can't have your cake and eat it too! Those verses they use against women would apply to EGW and if they don't mean that, then it shows the church is broken in its views on ordaining women.

What I've been more focusing recently is on Christian Apologetics, as that is the greater need, and thanks to woob, I have some EXCELLENT books Christian Apologetics is coming up for me more and more, so that is getting my priority. Issues such as EGW are IMO secondary to this greater cause, as I interact with non-believers etc on a daily basis and need to be able to have answers for what I believe.

My faith in God is strong, its just my faith in EGW which is slowly becoming more and more shattered. In shattering that, I can now enjoy checkers with my friend without a single thought. I can play go fish without thinking about it, and even let my friend teach me poker, which while we certainly do not bet, is a shockingly deep strategy game. I also now have completely had a 180 on my views of dressing up for church. Its funny, because on a couple of things I've become a liberal, whereas, most of it I'm a fundamentalist! Sad thing is, I can't talk about it in RL, because my mum would find out and would bite my head off for searching. Its not her fault, she just doesn't understand.

Thank you for your inquiry I don't exactly know what happened to the thread =P

 

[Mankin]

Half of what EW said was not inspired. It was just her advice from a time period when everything not religious was known as being evil. Lol, I don't see anything evil in checkers though.

 

[djconklin]

Half of what EW said was not inspired.

I would love to see the statistical study that proved that. And how in the world did anyone prove that anything was, or wasn't inspired?!? Wouldn't someone have to be inspired to prove it?

 

[djconklin]

the tone is so different from that of the bible- she is so harsh. She makes so many claims on things we must do, that can no way be justified logically or by the bible.

Hmmm. Once upon a time I was all wrought up about something. So, I laid down on the couch and started to read from the Desire of Ages. Three hours later I was all relaxed and calm. I quess it depends in part on what one is looking for and what "pinches" at the moment.

 

[djconklin]

I believe Ellen White should be treated just like any other inspired Christian writer.

1) Name them.

2) How does one treat an "inspired writer"?

 

[djconklin]

actually prefer to be known as first a Christian, and then a Seventhy-day Adventist (or Sabbath keeper),

That's the way it should be. Even Ellen White said that if we had studied the Bible like we ought to we wouldn't need her writings. Elsewhere (and I don't know where I read it) she said that if we needed her then we need to be re-converted.

 

[JonMiller]

1) Name them.

2) How does one treat an "inspired writer"?

You read and enjoy their books, and expect to be brought closer to God from them.

You don't read their books, and expect every word to be the word of God.

People in the OT didn't even expect that of their prophets.

JM

 

[Adventist Dissident]

how does this go from changing my Icon to talking about EGW. aren't we just a little of topic.

 

[Mankin]

It went to that topic because Windmill said she changed her icon because she had doubts about Ellen White.

 

[Mankin]

My opinion on EGW. Take her or leave her. If you are blessed by her writings, then so be it, if you are not blessed by her writings then so be it.

 

[Windmill]

I like the discussion on EGW, because its relevant to me

My problem is, how can we say she was sometimes inspired and sometimes not? If thats true then, how do we know exactly what was inspired and what isn't?