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[SnowyMacie]

I'm believing EXACTLY what the bible says. Not an interpretation.

A literal interpretation is still an interpretation.

 

[florida2]

I don't understand where you're coming from, Max.

You said in your OP that you wanted a photograph of something that doesn't exist.

When given photographs of it, you now want to argue that the photographs are fake.

If I were you, I would be respecting those photographs; since they are legitimate photographs of something you say doesn't exist.

In short, they are giving you what you asked for; but then you're biting the hands that are feeding you.

What gives, bro?

So a Christian accuses AV of not interpreting the Bible literally and AV is defending the provision of evidence?

*Waits for The Twilight Zone music to start*

 

[MaxR1996]

A literal interpretation is still an interpretation.

No, its called reading.

 

[William67]

My hope is that by the time he has graduated high school some of this nonsense will have left him. I think we should be encouraging this youngster as much as we can to think critically.

Do they teach critical in American high schools as a specific course or is it subsumed into science class?

They used to. Unfortunately, after helping my nieces and nephews with their homework, I can sadly report that they no longer teach children critical thinking.

 

[SnowyMacie]

No, its called reading.

You can't read something without interpreting it. You also still haven't answered my question.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the Beginning God Created Heaven and The Earth.

That is the FIRST verse in the Bible.....There is only ONE Heaven.

No, it isn't.

This is the first verse in the Bible:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Now ... at this point ... you're right.

There is only one heaven: Heaven proper.

But if you read the subsequent verses, God creates two more heavens (containment areas) and populates them.

 

[MaxR1996]

You can't read something without interpreting it. You also still haven't answered my question.

Whats your question

 

[lesliedellow]

He is a mere man. He is not the Word of God, or a prophet.

Do you have any proof we're moving?

You mean like the day here in the Uk only being about 7.5 hours long at the moment, but six months from now that will be the length of the night.

 

[MaxR1996]

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." - Proverbs 3:5

 

[William67]

No, its called reading.

As a Christian, I felt it was my duty to read the Quran. Ive also read the Book of Mormon. That is reading, too.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Whats your question

Do you have a response to the arguments I posted to the videos, yes or no?

For your convenience, I'll post them again...

Yes, the timezone that Australia (the part the moon is over) is in 18 time zones to the East of Nevada, but it's only 6 time zones to the West. When the rocket is facing the moon, the camera is facing West, which is why it can see it and why there's no hint of the sun's location in the picture, as the sun at 9:30 AM is still significantly in an eastward direction.

So, I'm pretty sure the OP is a troll but, if some of you may have gathered, I like geometry. So I'll explain this anyway.

TX_Matt, I'm not sure the timezones matter. The shortest distance from Australia to Nevada is about 8300 miles (westward over the Pacific). This implies that if the moon is directly overhead in Australia, a rocket in Nevada needs to be about 672 miles above the surface to see the moon.

Here S = 8300 miles (the arclength between Nevada and Australia) and S = S1 + S2. D = 238,000 miles (distance from Earth to moon) and R = 3959 miles (radius of Earth). The goal is to find H, the height of the rocket at which point it will see the moon.

Trigonometry tells us via the arclength formula:

and therefore

(1)

and from Pythagoras and trig:

Plug in to Equation (1) and you get

Now, from Pythagoras we also know that

and therefore

.

As per usual, this DOES NOT at all prove the Earth is flat.

Why?

Because the moon is not directly overhead in Australia.

On July 14, 2014, the moon would have been about 60 degrees above the horizon at 3 am. This changes the geometry considerably as shown in this diagram:

The geometry and maths get ridiculously complex at this point and I haven't had time to work it out. Here, α = 60 degrees is the angle the moon is above the horizon. Just by looking at the diagram, it is obvious that H is significantly smaller when the moon is not directly overhead in Australia. Here S =S1+S2+S3.

The stupidest thing about all the flat Earth arguments is they always neglect some obvious fact of reality. In this case, they assume the moon is directly overhead in Australia, which it is not.

Cheers,


LRLRL


****Edit: I have solved the geometry problem in the above diagram. Props to anyone who actually reads this*****

From the above diagram, we first know that

which is the distance to the moon. Substituting variables in using trigonometric relationships:

.

Now, we also know that the sum of the angles in a polygon must equal 360 degrees (or 2*pi radians) and therefore:

.

We also know two other facts about the angles:

So, using the above angle relationships and the arc length formula, we can arrive at an equation for D called Equation (A):

The final thing we need is the relationship for H which we will call Equation (B):

.

Now, unfortunately, using Equation (A) and Equation (B), we can not solve for H analytically. We will have to solve it numerically. I have taken values for H from 0.1 miles to 1000 miles in 0.1 mile increments and solved for D. Then I found the value for H which resulted in D being closest to 238,000 miles.

The final result?

.

Crazy, right? In this model, you would only need to go up about 1.4 miles in order to see the moon on the horizon on July 14, 2014 at 9:30 am in Nevada. This actually makes sense too because the moonset for that day in Las Vegas was at 8:16 AM. This means that at 9:30 AM, the moon would have just set about an hour prior so would only be just below the horizon.

I'm actually shocked at how well my simple geometric model is confirmed by the observations. It also explains how the moon can be so far above the horizon for a rocket which is 73 miles up. I thought there would be a variety of errors because I was assuming a 2D diagram and did not account for the 3D nature of the problem.


***End Edits: Props if you read all that***

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[MaxR1996]

No, it isn't.

This is the first verse in the Bible:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Now ... at this point ... you're right.

There is only one heaven: Heaven proper.

But if you read the subsequent verses, God creates two more heavens (containment areas) and populates them.

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

 

[SnowyMacie]

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

I'm assuming you are talking to me, this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-earth-is-flat.7920894/page-2#post-68943635

 

[MaxR1996]

As a Christian, I felt it was my duty to read the Quran. Ive also read the Book of Mormon. That is reading, too.

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." - Titus 1:16

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" - Matthew 7:16

 

[MaxR1996]

I'm assuming you are talking to me, this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-earth-is-flat.7920894/page-2#post-68943635

I would of responded in that thread if I wanted to.

 

[William67]

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

Want to take things literally? In your avatar, youre eyes are glowing red. You must be possessed by a demon.

So, are you possessed by a demon or is that just an effect of light bouncing off the blood vessels in your retinas?

 

[SnowyMacie]

I would of responded in that thread if I wanted to.

Why didn't you? You also posted a video in here about the same rocket, so I posted those points.

 

[William67]

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." - Titus 1:16

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" - Matthew 7:16

Judge much?

 

[justrobin]

Find a Photo of the Earth and post the link.

You can't.

Because there are no photos of something that doesn't exist.

We are living inside a firmament/dome, and the earth is flat and stationary exactly as the bible describes.

I'm not an American, but didn't that your guy Columbus prove that the earth isn't flat?

 

[SnowyMacie]

This thread has become a game of chess where checkmate has happened and the loser is still looking for another move.