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I am glad you are unable to reproduce these imaginary scriptures. Praise the Lord!


you can easily scroll back a number of posts, no need for me to repeat myself...............but

you call holy scripture "imaginary" then in the next breath say "praise the Lord"...............that's rich.......................

btw................how old are you ? (rhetorical question), if you're an adult maybe its time to put away your childish replies.............

1Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
 
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you can easily scroll back a number of posts, no need for me to repeat myself...............but

you call holy scripture "imaginary" then in the next breath say "praise the Lord"...............that's rich.......................

btw................how old are you ? (rhetorical question), if you're an adult maybe its time to put away your childish replies.............

1Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Praise the Lord you are unable to reproduce these imaginary Scriptures. This tells me you just have a spirit of dissension, disagreeing for disagreement sake. Yet you are unable to substantiated your hostility.
 
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you can easily scroll back a number of posts, no need for me to repeat myself...............but

you call holy scripture "imaginary" then in the next breath say "praise the Lord"...............that's rich.......................

btw................how old are you ? (rhetorical question), if you're an adult maybe its time to put away your childish replies.............

1Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Praise the Lord you are unable to reproduce these imaginary corroborating verses. This tells me you just have a spirit of dissension, disagreeing for disagreement sake, unable to substantiate your hostility.
 
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According to Michael Rood of the show "A Rood Awakening" the time of Jacob's trouble began on September 11, 1999. I also heard somewhere that a biblical generation is 38.4 years. If all this is true, Christ must return sometime before the year 2037.

if that's what he believes then he's going to get a "rood" awakening himself.............

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.


was sept 11th, 1999 a great day ? a stupendous day ?................the Jacob described here in Jeremiah's prophecy is the whole nation of Israel, all twelve tribes....if Jacob's trouble started in 1999 then that means all the tribes have been identified for nearly 12 years, can Michael identify who the modern nations are that represent the 12 tribes of Israel ?.......personally I thought they dispersed and are hidden among the nations except for the tribe of Judah (jews), some Benjamites and Levites.......................


 
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Ah, good old Troy Brooks! He just can't stay away from Christian Forums. I wonder how long this new identity of his will last?

Who knows, I'm beginning to wonder about him though.
 
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I'm confused...Why do Christians argue over something they do not even believe they are going to take part in?

Aren't you all going to be Raptured out here before any of theses things happen?

Another thing don't you all believe the "Church" has replaced Israel?

What do you call it "Replacement Theology" ?

So why all the concern? Why doesn't Jesus just come back to say New York or some other place where the "Church is. Why would he even bother with forsaken Israel?

Why do you argue about the things in the Old Testament, when you believe Jesus "Nailed it all to the cross" ?

There are over 350 post's in this thread...and not ONE of you can agree with each other..not even once! Why is that..don't you all have Truth?

I mean doesn't everyone of your Christian denominations claim they are the only ones who have God's truth?

How is the "Church" going to be able to take part in the New Covenant when Jer.31:31 clearly say's the New Covenant is for Israel and Judah?

Seriously am I the the one that is confused or is maybe the "Church" is?

The very first thing you need to understand is:

Jesus never came to create a new religion! He came to Fulfill the Law! Not to replace it with some new religion. He never abolished or nailed anything concerning the Law to any cross.

His fulfillment of the Law was that he made it complete! He came to provide the Atonement for the curse of sin that required death. The Law never could atone for the punishment of mans sin. The law only should us what sin was.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You better start to understand what Mathew 5 is really saying because it come with a very Stearn warning!

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

You might want to heed the WORD of your King..if you want to be apart of HIS Kingdom.

But you don't have to worry Jesus nailed all this to the cross and has promised you a free trip on the Rapture taxi to heaven.

All before the Antichrist comes to give you his Mark, and to make WAR with you..and all the rest of Scripture that pertains to the end of days.

So why be so concerned over one little chapter in the book of Daniel?
 
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There are over 350 post's in this thread...and not ONE of you can agree with each other..not even once! Why is that..don't you all have Truth?
Pretty frustrating, isn't it?
 
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I'm confused...Why do Christians argue over something they do not even believe they are going to take part in?
SOME of us don't believe we will be here...
errantly.

Aren't you all going to be Raptured out here before any of theses things happen?
no. only the pre tribbers and mid tribbers believe that.
every poll that i have seen here has post trib as the majority vote.

Another thing don't you all believe the "Church" has replaced Israel?

What do you call it "Replacement Theology" ?
no again...some do, some don't.
i don't.

So why all the concern? Why doesn't Jesus just come back to say New York or some other place where the "Church is. Why would he even bother with forsaken Israel?
do you mean political Israel of today, or spiritual Israel of the bible?

Why do you argue about the things in the Old Testament, when you believe Jesus "Nailed it all to the cross" ?
Jesus nailed most things to the cross...blood sacrifices, holy days, and the like...
those things have been fufilled in Him.
that does not include future prophesy tho.
prophesy (to us) is not yet fulfilled.
prophesy will happen as it is written.

There are over 350 post's in this thread...and not ONE of you can agree with each other..not even once! Why is that..don't you all have Truth?
no we all don't have the truth
hence all the different divisions/denominations in Christianity

I mean doesn't everyone of your Christian denominations claim they are
the only ones who have God's truth?
actually, no. but most THINK they do.
some are humble...some are not.

to some, knowing what you DON'T BELIEVE is more important than knowing what you DO BELIEVE.

How is the "Church" going to be able to take part in the New Covenant when Jer.31:31 clearly say's the New Covenant is for Israel and Judah?
because some people that are descended from ancient Israel and Judah are included in today's church, along with any gentile believers.
and that has nothng to do with replacement theology.
iow, some (most) of the descendants of ancient Israel and ancient Judah don't even now their heritage/linage.
they think they are gentiles.

that has to do with the scattering under both the Assyrian and then the Babylonian
and the migration of the scattered, over time.

Seriously am I the the one that is confused or is maybe the "Church" is?
most are, with regards to eschatology

The very first thing you need to understand is:

Jesus never came to create a new religion! He came to Fulfill the Law! Not to replace it with some new religion. He never abolished or nailed anything concerning the Law to any cross.
no one kept the Law, but CHRIST...and the way He KEPT it, was different than the way every other Jew kept it.

Jesus demonstrated many times that the Sabbath was made for man.
He travelled, and even worked on a Sabbath, collecting food etc.
and we all know that Jesus did not sin, nor transgress the Law.

so perhaps it is "us" who need to better understand what is "allowed" under the Law, especialy fulfilled,
and what is not.
Jesus understood, and freaked out the establishment by His actions.
His fulfillment of the Law was that he made it complete! He came to provide the Atonement for the curse of sin that required death. The Law never could atone for the punishment of mans sin. The law only should us what sin was.
showed us...correct.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You better start to understand what Mathew 5 is really saying because it come with a very Stearn warning!

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
He is not tearing down our very foundation, as some would do...
He is not destroying the legacy...He is building upon it.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
since Christ is "part" of the "Law" (the fulfilled part) obviously nothing will fade.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
this means on purpose, of course...but it is speaking of the Law in fulfillment
not the shadow before fulfillment.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
how righteous were they? they killed Christ afterall.
and they had the (unfulfilled) Law.

the Law unfulfilled, was for them before Christ...
the Law fulfilled, is for us today.

there is a difference....

to me, it's like this....
before Christ....one had to attempt to keep the unfulfilled Law to show/prove one's love for God
after Christ....one keeps the fulfilled Law because one has God living IN them already.


You might want to heed the WORD of your King..if you want to be apart of HIS Kingdom.

But you don't have to worry Jesus nailed all this to the cross and has promised you a free trip on the Rapture taxi to heaven.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
as a post tribber, i know the church shall be here to experience the end times, when ever they come.
and i don't believe the scriptures promise "heaven" as our abode anyway...
the resurrection is for life on earth again...heaven made on earth.
so since Christ and the dead in Christ are coming here, at His Coming,
then if i'm still alive, I wanna be here too!

one verse that employes both english translational error and coloquial speech
has led to most of the confusion.

All before the Antichrist comes to give you his Mark, and to make WAR with you..and all the rest of Scripture that pertains to the end of days.

So why be so concerned over one little chapter in the book of Daniel?
as a post tribber, i know that the church shall be here for the AC and his mark and to make war with us

all scripture is good...
relating an OT end time scripture set, to a newer end tme scripture set, like Rev or 1-2Thes
doesn't seem out of sorts to me.

personally, i'm not arrogant enough to think that i have all the answers...
i am learning daily...even if i don't say so.

as for the rapture timing...
for me, it's kinda fun....a game of sorts...like figuring out a puzzle...

each time a pre tribber gives a supposed proof set for a pre trib rapture, i dive into the Word
and, knowing that they are wrong, find the obvious answer staring me in the face.
it keeps one sharp, so to speak....biblically literate.

lots of subjects can keep one sharp...eschatology is but one ;)
 
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I'm confused...Why do Christians argue over something they do not even believe they are going to take part in?

Aren't you all going to be Raptured out here before any of theses things happen?

Another thing don't you all believe the "Church" has replaced Israel?

What do you call it "Replacement Theology" ?


not all believers hold to these doctrines that you mention here...........so you can't generalize and place everyone under one umbrella............maybe it would help you to ask the individual instead on what they believe and why instead of assuming all believe the same doctrines


 
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zeke37 I apologize I was being facetious, I understand the answers to my questions.

It just makes me sad to see so many that probably truly love the Lord, in reality do not hold much of a common ground on many aspects of truth.

It really makes me wonder if everyone truly does share the same Spirit. The Holy Spirit would not be in conflict with itself.

I was a Christian for over 20 years, and seen the same thing in just about every congregation I was apart of. It was like the truth was not that important, but whatever religion they were holding the flag for trumped Gods word somehow.

I thank you for being bold enough to actually answer my questions, I do not agree with all of them but, I am not here to draw debate, or put down anyone's faith.

I guess I am just trying to bring awareness to the idea as believers in the one true God. Messianic or Christian, Catholic or Protestant..we are all seeking the very same Kingdom..that is ruled by the very same King.

We should be seeking the same Truth...but for some reason we all would rather tare each other down, and defend our specific denominations which don't amount to anything more then the traditions and rudiments of men. (Col.2;8)

The fact is the Bible does not need mans interpretation, the Bible defines itself. There is but only one truth and that is Gods alone.

The real truth is that every Word from Gen1:1 to Rev. 22:21 is as relevant today as the day the Holy Spirit penned it thru mans hand. Actually you can throw in a couple more books in there too but let's not go there right now.

The bible is the History and future of a Kingdom...Gods Kingdom..it was same Kingdom yesterday as it will be tomorrow and has been forever.

Jesus the King of this Kingdom never came to change HIS Kingdom! He came first to re-open the doorway so man could return to it, from once he was banished thru Adam. He has left that door open for 2000 years so man can decide if he wants to be apart of it.

But that door is closing rapidly...like it just a few years rapidly...would you rather join together and seek the TRUTH or argue about the day??
 
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not all believers hold to these doctrines that you mention here...........so you can't generalize and place everyone under one umbrella............maybe it would help you to ask the individual instead on what they believe and why instead of assuming all believe the same doctrines



That was my point shouldn't we all believe in the same doctrines. Instead of arguing about them.

We have only 1 God, 1 Bible and 1 Truth.....everyone should be under that one umbrella don't you think?
 
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That was my point shouldn't we all believe in the same doctrines. Instead of arguing about them.

We have only 1 God, 1 Bible and 1 Truth.....everyone should be under that one umbrella don't you think?


of course I do........but that's not what I was making a point of.........you had lumped ALL christians as believing certain doctrines which simply isn't true...........ie.........I don't believe in a pretrib rapture or replacement theology and there are many others that believe the same way
 
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of course I do........but that's not what I was making a point of.........you had lumped ALL christians as believing certain doctrines which simply isn't true...........ie.........I don't believe in a pretrib rapture or replacement theology and there are many others that believe the same way

Your are right, maybe I should have not worded it that way, forgive me if I have offended you. That is not my intention.

Yes I do understand that all denominations do not see it that way, and it is that common ground I am seeking.

If you read my other post you would notice I mentioned I was a Christian for over 20 years, I have been in allot of congregations from different denominations.

It's heartbreaking to see the division amongst Churches, I guess I am just hoping for some unity between them. Especially now as we are on the threshold of Jesus return.

What we need is an old fashion revival within the Churches, and bring truth back to the pulpits. Bring back some of those Ole' Timers striking fear into the congregations with some fire and brimstone Preachin' A-MEN? :amen:
 
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Your are right, maybe I should have not worded it that way, forgive me if I have offended you. That is not my intention.

Yes I do understand that all denominations do not see it that way, and it is that common ground I am seeking.

If you read my other post you would notice I mentioned I was a Christian for over 20 years, I have been in allot of congregations from different denominations.

It's heartbreaking to see the division amongst Churches, I guess I am just hoping for some unity between them. Especially now as we are on the threshold of Jesus return.

What we need is an old fashion revival within the Churches, and bring truth back to the pulpits. Bring back some of those Ole' Timers striking fear into the congregations with some fire and brimstone Preachin' A-MEN? :amen:

Amen...my brother! May GOD bless you,and all your loved ones richly in all things in Messiah Yahshua's Name Amen...

Blessings...
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What we need is an old fashion revival within the Churches, and bring truth back to the pulpits. Bring back some of those Ole' Timers striking fear into the congregations with some fire and brimstone Preachin' A-MEN? :amen:

Yes and perhaps not take so much stock in preachers like Joel Osteen.
Although his intentions may be good (or he may just be getting rich) he simply does not preach the word of God. He does not mention the cross or what Jesus did on it. He does however explain that we can be happy if we just give Him praise and keep the right perspective we can have wealth, happiness, a front parking spot at the mall, a beautiful wife yada yada yada.

My preacher however, will have you scared by the end of the sermon if you aren't saved.:preach:
 
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This is my prayer!

Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Shalom
 
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What we need is an old fashion revival within the Churches, and bring truth back to the pulpits. Bring back some of those Ole' Timers striking fear into the congregations with some fire and brimstone Preachin' A-MEN? :amen:
No, that is exactly what we don't need. And I am sure by 'bring truth back' you mean your interpretation of "truth", whatever the heck that means.
 
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