Censorship is out of control

[annie1speed]

Yep. She can spend all morning running me down and once I defend myself .... I knew it was coming.

I have sent her a PM asking her to put me on her Ignore list and I will be happy to do the same. It will be interesting to see if she will agree to it, or if she would rather continue behaving as she did this morning.

How do I send a copy of this to the mods?
Does anybody know?

***Update: Woobadooba sent me a PM telling me HE reported me and not Honor. I want to publicly apologize to her for implying that she reported me when she didn't. The offer regarding ignoring each other still stands. I do believe this is the best course of action for the two of us.

It has um also been pointed out to me that I am a guest in this forum. I hope there is no plan to vote me off the island and y'all will continue to let me hang out around here.

 

[honorthesabbath]

You tell me. Why is it that because of some Trads who love to spite-report and target specific individuals for banning, I have to make self-defense and self-preservation a high priority on a CHRISTIAN forum?

You guys leave me no choice in that I have to look after my own interests, and then you judge me and condemn me for having to do what I have to do as a natural response to your own vindictive actions.

Nice.

Night--this is so not true. When you first arrived in this forum you came in cutting and slashing like some Samuri warrior. When you were called on it--you even apologized for causing so much trouble here. So now you are claiming that all your back-fighting is because of US? Has it occurred to you that it is WE who have felt the need to defend ourselves against your attacks?

 

[Mankin]

Night is talking about now not the time he first arrived. I remember when he first stumbled in lol.

 

[NightEternal]

Night--this is so not true.

Oh, but it is.

When you first arrived in this forum you came in cutting and slashing like some Samuri warrior.

I have already explained ad-nauseum why that was and the background behind that. I am not about to explain it again for those who cannot comprehend it the first few times.

When you were called on it--you even apologized for causing so much trouble here.

That is NOT what I apologized for.

Why don't we just go to the source and settle this once and for all, as some Trads still insist on the shameless tactic of using my apology against me and throwing it back in my face:

Originally Posted by NightEternal

I want to apologize deeply to all the forum members here for my past behaviour on this board. The hostility I displayed was unbecoming of a Christian and completely uneccesary as well as unwarranted. I make no excuses for my belligerence and take full responsibility.

I repent in dust and ashes for my blunt, both-guns- blazing approach. In retrospect I now see how unreasonable and impossible I came across, and I am properly ashamed.

Please accept this heartfelt apology.

Notice, it was not an apology for 'causing trouble here', but rather for my approach. What specifically about my approach was I apologizing for? Let's look at another post in the same thread, shall we?

Since some people here seem to continually feel the need to use my past apology against me and charge me with 'repeating' past offences, I feel the need to once again clarify something:

MY APOLOGY STILL STANDS.

When I first arrived here, my anger was uncontrolled and unfocused. I was using the shotgun approach where any and everyone was the target without regard to being careful of personal cheap shots.

My approach now is to attack theology, beliefs and ideas, not people.

Obviously some here are never going to make that distinction and will continue to claim I am 'repeating' past behavior. Whatever, I cannnot help that. Just so the rest here know the score.

I once again state without hesitation: If I deviate from this approach point it out to me and I will remedy it. I don't mind being held accountable.

But if certain individuals want to continue to make it personal and label me as 'evil', 'a pretender Adventist' or 'Satan's minion' instead of going after my theology, you had better believe I am going to call them on that garbage.

http://christianforums.com/t5283169

So, there you have it. I was apologizing for attacking people personally, which was certainly my M.O. back then and not acceptable, as getting personal is a hostile act. I just did not clarify that enough in my original apology post. Since that time, I have only focused on doctrine, ideas and theology. Or, at the very least, that has been my ideal.

I was not apologizing for going after these things then and I certainly do not apologize for it now. Even though it gets me reported with abandon, I will continue to address the issues that need addressing, and if it takes a strong approach (without getting personal), so be it. So, you can go ahead and call questioning and addressing problem areas as 'causing trouble' but it will be done regardless.

So now you are claiming that all your back-fighting is because of US?

You better believe it.

I have been appalled at how personal some Trads have made things lately, especially with Tall and Sophia. They are too courteous to fight back, but I have no such qualms when you guys make it about me instead of the issues.

Has it occurred to you that it is WE who have felt the need to defend ourselves against your attacks?

Oh PLEASE. That is so ludicrous, it doesn't even deserve to be addressed in any detail.

By all means, keep on reporting me instead of dealing with the issues. You will only further prove my point.

Like I said, this is not the first time someone has tried to use my apology against me. Check out this little gem of a thread:

http://christianforums.com/t5790618-i-know-that-ive-said-this-many-times-before.html

It was this portion of a post that made it necessary for me to post my second response in red above:

You know, we all remember that when he first came to our forum he was one of the nastiest people that we have encountered in here. He even put up a thread apologizing for his uncouth behavior, and expected all of us to forgive him. We did forgive him. See: http://www.christianforums.com/t5283169-im-sorry.html

(Note: he edited out his reason for apologizing. You can see in my response to him what he originally posted in this thread. So why do you think he edited it out? Seems to me that he is trying to hide something)

Anyway, even after we extended mercy to him for his vicious attacks on us, he returned to his old ways. And now he has the audacity to do the same thing to you that the Pharisees tried to do with the woman that was caught in the act of adultery. That is, he tried to shame you publicly. Only a vicious person would do such a thing. http://www.christianforums.com/t5792...e-too-far.html

In fact, look how vicious he was towards me when I didn't even address him. All I did was suggest that we should enforce a warning/banning system: See posts #76 and 77 here: http://www.christianforums.com/t5739..._show=comments

Did I deserve to be spoken to in that way? He seems to think so!

I too believe that if he doesn't change his ways soon he will be humbled by God.

Why did I delete my posts? No, it was not to 'hide something' as Woob ignorantly proclaims. It was simply for the very reason you see right here in the above quote. People were and still are trying to use my comments against me, misinterpreting and misrepresenting my posts. I deleted them so that they would have have no more ammunition to us against me, at least not from that thread, anymore.

I have chosen to try and not get personal with people, and, for the most part, I have succeeded. It's too bad certain others have no desire to learn that approach:

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37152849&postcount=7

 

[NightEternal]

***Update: Woobadooba sent me a PM telling me HE reported me and not Honor.

Like I said. Typical.

 

[moicherie]

Well Woob's hasty trigger finger reported the wrong post he reported me instead (shows how ridiculous this is getting)

 

[honorthesabbath]

Well Night--with all you said in post #45--I ain't buying it friend. But I am not going to pursue this any farther either. You and I are on two different wave-lengths and all the bickering back and forth is not going to change a thing. I'll NEVER see things as you want them to be--and I'll keep my reasons for that to myself, because quite frankly--it would lead to flaming. So I'll just leave it at that for now.

 

[sentipente]

best course of action for the two of us.

It has um also been pointed out to me that I am a guest in this forum. I hope there is no plan to vote me off the island and y'all will continue to let me hang out around here.

That indicator was probably sent by a self-identifying Trad. You will always be welcome in the Progs subforum. The only real rule is that you be human in your behavior - human as we were created, not as we have become.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Yep. She can spend all morning running me down and once I defend myself .... I knew it was coming.

I have sent her a PM asking her to put me on her Ignore list and I will be happy to do the same. It will be interesting to see if she will agree to it, or if she would rather continue behaving as she did this morning.

How do I send a copy of this to the mods?
Does anybody know?

***Update: Woobadooba sent me a PM telling me HE reported me and not Honor. I want to publicly apologize to her for implying that she reported me when she didn't. The offer regarding ignoring each other still stands. I do believe this is the best course of action for the two of us.

It has um also been pointed out to me that I am a guest in this forum. I hope there is no plan to vote me off the island and y'all will continue to let me hang out around here.

Ok--let's see who is not being honest here. Annie just made the statement that I have "spent the whole morning running her down". Let's see who started this and who actually has done the attacking. Her first move on me started here….

DEC. 11 @ 8:48 pm
#12 [FONT="]Honor, I saw it as a pretty clear reference to [/FONT][FONT="]Sophia[/FONT][FONT="], too. If not her, I can't imagine who.... But that is neither here nor there. Nothing is gained by continuing this fuss-fight of a thread.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Why help continue this thread then?[/FONT]

Then my response, Dec. 11 @ 9:08pm
ROFL--thats a pretty telling statement!!

Then Annie’s response Dec. 12 @ 2:29AM….
Why the ridicule?

My response Dec. 12 @ 6:11am…
It's not ridiculeAnnie--don't you get the point?

My response to Moicheri about the exchanges..Dec. 12 @8:15am
How would you know what my 'tone' is? I'm just finding it very funny that Annie seems to be accusing Sophia of something here--NOT ME!! ROFL!!

Then I make several other posts—NOT ONE of which addresses Annie herself or her comments. I have gone back to talking to others. Then comes her vicious and venomous attack on me addressed to Night.

#39, Dec.12 @ 3:36PM.

It’s too long and hurtful to repost here.

Then post #42—where she has made the accusation that “I” reported her!!

Now folks—by ANY stretch of the imagination—does it look like “I” spent ALL morning running HER down—or is it vise versa? Who actually started the exchange between us? SHE DID!!!!!!!!!!! Who falsely accused who of reporting who?? SHE DID!!!! Who wrote the most vicious attack against someone I have ever read in this forum?? SHE DID!!! Who sent me TWO (2) scathing pm’s in one day?? SHE DID!!!! And who in those pm’s said that she was going to turn me into the mods’ for ‘harassing her”??? SHE DID!!!

Now---who is harassing whom here?? I think the answer is VERY obvious.
She did apologize publicly for falsely accusing me of reporting her—but then she had no choice. But to say that it is I who have been harassing her—well—it’s obvious that is not the truth and she needs to apologize again for this unwarranted attack.

 

[sentipente]

Ok--let's see who is not being honest here. Annie just made the statement that I have "spent the whole morning running her down". Let's see who started this and who actually has done the attacking. Her first move on me started here….

Truth Alert! That is not what she said. She said you "CAN" spend all morning. She did not say you HAVE spent all morning. Let's keep the facts straight. I hope you will edit your post accordingly and keep the truth at the fore.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Truth Alert! That is not what she said. She said you "CAN" spend all morning. She did not say you HAVE spent all morning. Let's keep the facts straight. I hope you will edit your post accordingly and keep the truth at the fore.

Oh please Sent--she absolutely meant that I DID spend all morning running her down--nice try--but you LOOSE!! rofl!!

Besides--her next comment about 'defending' herself really negates your futile attempt.

 

[sentipente]

Oh please Sent--she absolutely meant that I DID spend all morning running her down--nice try--but you LOOSE!! rofl!!

Besides--her next comment about 'defending' herself really negates your futile attempt.

In addition, I now note that what I read this morning was written last night. However, you don't take hints very well. You misquoted her. You also changed direction from what you had done all morning to who started this.

 

[honorthesabbath]

In addition, I now note that what I read this morning was written last night. However, you don't take hints very well. You misquoted her. You also changed direction from what you had done all morning to who started this.

Oh good grief--how did I misquote her when I copied her exact post? geesh--maybe you need to stay out of this Sent. You don't seem to have an unbiased position anyway.

 

[sentipente]

Oh good grief--how did I misquote her when I copied her exact post? geesh--maybe you need to stay out of this Sent. You don't seem to have an unbiased position anyway.

I referred to the parts you misquoted. The evidence is there for all to see so I don't see what you think you can gain from this rebuttal.

 

[NightEternal]

Well Night--with all you said in post #45--I ain't buying it friend.

So you are calling me a liar then. Nice. Not suprising though. I guess it is extremely difficult for someone with your posting history to believe that it is possible to avoid personal attacks.

If this is what you choose to believe, the onus is then on you to please link to ANY posts where I have attacked someone personally. In accordance with the present approach I have been trying to live by since my apology, I will edit them accordingly.

I will be waiting for those links.

 

[annie1speed]

Truth alert indeed.

Honor, if you are going to let the record show, let the whole record show. You did not stop talking about me and my post and what I supposedly meant. Apparently you think you can read my mind, but no one has the ability to interpret your posts.

Here are ALL of the posts in which you made comments about me and what I said and what I meant according to you.

#13 and #17, 20, you reported accurately. And yes you did go on to talk to others, but the subject continued to be me and what I actually meant vs. what I said.

#21 at 7:16 am by Moicherie- Quote:
Originally Posted by honorthesabbath http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41514217#post41514217
It's not ridiculeAnnie--don't you get the point?

The tone of response suggests that you are hinting it is Sophia, so why deny the charge against you?

#23 at 8:15 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by moicherie http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41516528#post41516528
The tone of response suggests that you are hinting it is Sophia, so why deny the charge against you?

How would you know what my 'tone' is? I'm just finding it very funny that Annie seems to be accusing Sophia of something here--NOT ME!! ROFL!!

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#25 at 11:41 by Tall
Quote:
Originally Posted by honorthesabbath http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41517683#post41517683
How would you know what my 'tone' is? I'm just finding it very funny that Annie seems to be accusing Sophia of something here--NOT ME!! ROFL!!


She is saying that Sophia is the only one with ties to the progressives, having been one.

She did not say that she was biased. It is your claim that one of the female staffers is biased.

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#29 at 12:37 pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by tall73 http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41521070#post41521070
She is saying that Sophia is the only one with ties to the progressives, having been one.

She did not say that she was biased. It is your claim that one of the female staffers is biased.

This is where you are wrong. I clearly stated that there were a couple of female mods that I didn't trust--(and a few males too.) So you guys are WAY reaching here.

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#33 at 12:42 pm by Tall
Quote:
Originally Posted by honorthesabbath http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=41522125#post41522125
This is where you are wrong. I clearly stated that there were a couple of female mods that I didn't trust--(and a few males too.) So you guys are WAY reaching here.

But only one did you refer to with a singular female term, "god-mother". So no, I am not wrong in that respect.

#39 at 3:36 pm by me



Oh my goodness what is all this talk about what I said and who I accused and what I really meant.


Honor, if anyone wants to know what I meant they can ask me. I accept e-mails if anybody wants to talk. This behavior here only confirms what I already believed. Most of her posts on this forum are devoid of loving kindness and goodwill, and serve to tear down rather than build up. Why else would she be misrepresenting what I wrote?


From what I read I have seen very little Christian character from this person. Post after post of vitriolic hatred. I am thankful that she are not the only Adventist I know. Not only would she sour me on Adventism, she could turn me against Christianity as a whole if she were my only example. Some women do not care about how others are affect by thier actions/


Thank you Tall. You pegged it just right. She said fairy God-mother, which limits it to a small number and I knew that Sophia was a progressive, so yes, She also specifically ruled out Sarah...... I took what she said to be implying that Sophia was acting inappropriately in some way. Is'nt that clear from my response to her?


Contrary to what Honor has posted, I don't believe I have accused anyone of anything- except maybe accusing Honor of being, well Honor. She is just being her usual self. I don't know why I expected anything better from her.


Oh and I did tell Night that he rants. But I don't think I upset him. I do believe if I offended him I would hear it from him, and not through the grape vine. A girl can respect somebody for that, you know?

Sorry for the turmoil I guess I added to things.

#42 at 8:10 pm
Yep. She can spend all morning running me down and once I defend myself .... I knew it was coming.

I have sent her a PM asking her to put me on her Ignore list and I will be happy to do the same. It will be interesting to see if she will agree to it, or if she would rather continue behaving as she did this morning.

How do I send a copy of this to the mods?
Does anybody know?

***Update: Woobadooba sent me a PM telling me HE reported me and not Honor. I want to publicly apologize to her for implying that she reported me when she didn't. The offer regarding ignoring each other still stands. I do believe this is the best course of action for the two of us.

It has um also been pointed out to me that I am a guest in this forum. I hope there is no plan to vote me off the island and y'all will continue to let me hang out around here.

Honor there is one more thing: I am still waiting for you to respond to my PM as to whether you will put me on ignore. I truly believe this is best. I advise you to stop talking about me and impuning my character before your make an air-tight case of harassment against yourself than even the most sympathetic mod will be unable to ignore.

 

[NightEternal]

It's had a long history Annie. I don't buy the innocent routine from anyone who has the capability to call me a 'devil' and claim God will 'deal with my kind soon enough'.

http://christianforums.com/t5792250-she-has-gone-too-far.html

And I am the one that is supposedly attacking her.

Ooookey dokey.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Oh good grief!!

 

[honorthesabbath]

It's had a long history Annie. I don't buy the innocent routine from anyone who has the capability to call me a 'devil' and claim God will 'deal with my kind soon enough'.

http://christianforums.com/t5792250-she-has-gone-too-far.html

And I am the one that is supposedly attacking her.

Ooookey dokey.

 

[annie1speed]

Then I make several other posts—NOT ONE of which addresses Annie herself or her comments. I have gone back to talking to others. Then comes her vicious and venomous attack on me addressed to Night.

This is not true, as is noted in the above post.

#39, Dec.12 @ 3:36PM.

It’s too long and hurtful to repost here.

Then post #42—where she has made the accusation that “I” reported her!!

And I apologized.


Now folks—by ANY stretch of the imagination—does it look like “I” spent ALL morning running HER down—or is it vise versa?

You be the judge - you have her posts

Who actually started the exchange between us? SHE DID!!!!!!!!!!!
I was not the only one who said it sounded like she was referring to Sophia.

Who falsely accused who of reporting who?? SHE DID!!!!

And as I said, I apologized as soon as I realized it.

Who wrote the most vicious attack against someone I have ever read in this forum?? SHE DID!!!

I don't know if it is the MOST vicious. You can be pretty harsh yourself.

Who sent me TWO (2) scathing pm’s in one day??

I explained why we need to place each other on ignore. If what I say upsets you so much we should put each other on ignore. The fact that you are unwilling to respond to my request baffles me. I asked you to stop talking about me, and put me on ignore.

SHE DID!!!! And who in those pm’s said that she was going to turn me into the mods’ for ‘harassing her”??? SHE DID!!!

I did no such thing. I did not threaten to turn you in to the mods for harassment. I said that I was copying the mods on the message so that if this continued they would know that I had tried to remedy the situation by suggesting we ignore each other. This is the very reason I copied some of the mods on this PM because I thought you would misrepresent my words. If you will misrepresent what I say in an open forum, I can only imagine how you might twist my words when no one can see them to know the truth.


Now---who is harassing whom here?? I think the answer is VERY obvious.

I do think the answer is quite obvious, as you have continued to discuss me in this forum, impuning my character and have not responded to my PM's. You have continued to keep this matter in the public eye when I tried to address it privately. I am asking you again to stop talking about me, and put me on ignore, or if you have something to say to me say it privately.

Honor, you seem to have such issues with me, but the way you go about addressing them is not the Biblical way at all. What is wrong with us discussing our problems with each other in a private manner like I wanted to. It appears that you would prefer to make me the villian in the public forum, or more importantly make yourself the victim here, and gain support and sympathy from others who think I have mistreated you.

She did apologize publicly for falsely accusing me of reporting her—but then she had no choice.

Nobody made me apologize. What do you mean I had no choice? I did what I thought was right. I was wrong and I apologized to you -- publicly. Here again you are impuning my character, and I am asking you to stop this.

But to say that it is I who have been harassing her—well—it’s obvious that is not the truth and she needs to apologize again for this unwarranted attack.

I'm sorry for what ever you think I did was wrong. I am sorry for upsetting you so much that you have spent two days of your life in full spin over me. I did not intend to upset you so much with my words. I know I can be harsh, but you know you can too. But two days of this is two days too many.

For the I don't know how manyeth time in the past two days, stop talking about me, and if I upset you so much, put me on ignore. I don't know how else to say it. If you continue this nonsense, it only indicates to me that you would rather continue in strife than take the more peaceful route of ignoring me.

If you want to discuss this with me, as I have said send me a message and I will be happy to talk this through with you - but stop this public display you have kept going.