Celebrating the Feasts

[Sephania]

Celebrating the Feasts

Child of the Most High you are right you, are at the Aster-Easter season. However your Aster season is about a month off this year from when Yeshua would have held his Passover Sader. Nisan 14 On the Gregorian calendar would be April 23. If it were 2000 years ago Yeshua would not be holding his Passover Sader in the month of Adar [March]. Remember this on Aster morning this year.

You won’t, bother. Because you will be bothering with Aster the goddess of spring who’s birth was early on sun-day morning with , Easter egg,. & egg-laying rabbit,. And you will be doing it a month befor G-d’s season -(the word seasons in Hebrew is Moedim=appointed holidays) In this case Passover. And you will do this even when
G-d said not to. Deu 12: 31
“ You must not worship the L-RD your G-d in their way,”(The word “way” means “Customary manner,or habit”. Dictionary)

We [MJ} “bother” because like Yesha said "Do this in remembrance of Me"
Do what? Do G-d’s Passover!.
SO! On Nisan 14 we MJ will be Celebrating Yeshua death and reassertion in the Passover Sader.

Why are you assuming COTMH is celebrating Easter?

“ You must not worship the L-RD your G-d in their way,”(The word “way” means “Customary manner,or habit”. Dictionary)

"Their" can mean anyone, and way can also hold for tradition, anyone's. I ( also a MJ) myself prefer to consult HaShem's way of determing when His year begins.

SO! On Nisan 14 we MJ will be Celebrating Yeshua death and reassertion in the Passover Sader

This MJ will but my Nisan 14 will commence to be on this coming Shabbat. March 25th at sundown. And I will be celebrating the Passover, and firstfruits two days later.

What is "reassertion"? never heard of that.

 

[Shimshon]

We [MJ} “bother” because like Yesha said "Do this in remembrance of Me"
Do what? Do G-d’s Passover!.
SO! On Nisan 14 we MJ will be Celebrating Yeshua death and reassertion in the Passover Sader.

To impose or imply that this infered a contiuation of "future" sederim is a streach in my imagination. For one, Yeshua never once said the seder was going to remain an observance. Yeshua gave the Mo'edim, he was the Word made flesh right? He said it would last from generation to generation. In the Ketuvim Netzraim he refers over and over that "this generation" is lost and he is saving people OUT of it. Yeshua observed the seder because that generation was still around. When he died and rose a New generation of later workers was let in (goyim). And the old generation was rent. Temple and all. Notice as well, Yeshua said:

"16 For I tell you, it is certain that I will not celebrate it again until it is given its full meaning in the Kingdom of God." 18 For I tell you that from now on, I will not drink the `fruit of the vine' until the Kingdom of God comes."

He was eating it with us from the onset but from this moment on he will NOT be eating it till it is given its full meaning in the Kingdom. Again, he never said to continue it, in fact Shaul expressly opposes following Torah legalisticly. (read galatians again)

And to boot, the mention of "do this in memory of me" is in reference to the bread, not the entire seder.

 

[debi b]

... in fact Shaul expressly opposes following Torah legalisticly. (read galatians again)

This struck me as odd - as if it ever was acceptable to follow Torah legalisticly............ I don't think that is what you meant

Read Psalms and Proverbs. Remember when they were written - that is too often overlooked. During the lifetime of David and Solomon there would have been Torah (the first 5 books) and Joshua and Judges for sure. So if you ponder that for any length of time you can easily see that potentially what is recorded in Psalms and Proverbs are a window into what they got out of Torah - and I sure don't get any conflict at all about what is intended with regard to understanding Torah from those writings

 

[Shimshon]

debi, I knew that line would stick out to some if not many here. And somehow i'm not surprised you hit on it first.

I believe Shaul put it something like this. If I am still preaching to be circumcised and teaching you to follow seasons, days and times, then why am I being persecuted so much still? debi, the very point of galatians is that "Messianic Jews" were trying to add the Good News to legalistic Torah observance. Believing that they needed to follow the old AND new covenants at once. Much like this forum and the modern day Torah observant movement. Torah is good, holy and served it's purpose, till it was completed. In the life, death and reserection of Yeshua HaMoshiach Melechi v'Elohei

19 So then, why the legal part of the Torah? It was added in order to create transgressions, until the coming of the seed about whom the promise had been made. Moreover, it was handed down through angels and a mediator. 20 Now a mediator implies more than one, but God is one. 21 Does this mean that the legal part of the Torah stands in opposition to God's promises? Heaven forbid! For if the legal part of the Torah which God gave had had in itself the power to give life, then righteousness really would have come by legalistically following such a Torah. 22 But instead, the Tanakh shuts up everything under sin; so that what had been promised might be given, on the basis of Yeshua the Messiah's trusting faithfulness, to those who continue to be trustingly faithful. 23 Now before the time for this trusting faithfulness came, we were imprisoned in subjection to the system which results from perverting the Torah into legalism, kept under guard until this yet-to-come trusting faithfulness would be revealed. 24 Accordingly, the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful. 25 But now that the time for this trusting faithfulness has come, we are no longer under a custodian.

26 For in union with the Messiah, you are all children of God through this trusting faithfulness; 27 because as many of you as were immersed into the Messiah have clothed yourselves with the Messiah, in whom 28 there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. 29 Also, if you belong to the Messiah, you are seed of Avraham and heirs according to the promise.

the legal part of the Torah? It was added in order to create transgressions, until the coming of the seed about whom the promise had been made.

the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful.

now that the time for this trusting faithfulness has come, we are no longer under a custodian.

I want to know from you just this one thing: did you receive the Spirit by legalistic observance of Torah commands or by trusting in what you heard and being faithful to it? 3 Are you that stupid? Having begun with the Spirit's power, do you think you can reach the goal under your own power?

25 Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Yerushalayim, for she serves as a slave along with her children. 26 But the Yerushalayim above is free, and she is our mother; 27 for the Tanakh says, "Rejoice, you barren woman who does not bear children! Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor! For the deserted wife will have more children than the one whose husband is with her!"i 28 You, brothers, like Yitz'chak, are children referred to in a promise of God. 29 But just as then the one born according to limited human capability persecuted the one born through the Spirit's supernatural power, so it is now. 30 Nevertheless, what does the Tanakh say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for by no means will the son of the slave woman inherit along with the son of the free woman!" 31 So, brothers, we are children not of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

We are free to LOVE YHVH and our neighbors AND our enemies because of the Ruach that Yeshua send. Not because of our observances of days, seasons and years. Do we reject them as foolish and see those who observe them as enemies and hellbound? Heaven forbid! They are called just like the rest. But few will be chosen. That is a fact of YHVH. And yet they will be an uncountable multitude filling the new world where Yeshua is melek v'go'el.

 

[debi b]

We are free to LOVE YHVH and our neighbors AND our enemies because of the Ruach that Yeshua send. Not because of our observances of days, seasons and years.

 

[Child of the Most High]

First of all, I do not celebrate easter. Now in light of this declaration, let's review the errant assumptions below:

Celebrating the Feasts

Child of the Most High you are right you, are at the Aster-Easter season. However your Aster season is about a month off this year from when Yeshua would have held his Passover Sader. Nisan 14 On the Gregorian calendar would be April 23. If it were 2000 years ago Yeshua would not be holding his Passover Sader in the month of Adar [March]. Remember this on Aster morning this year.

Please review my above statement.

I believe Yod answered this question.

"Yeshua did say "Do this in remembrance of Me" and He wasn't talking about having crackers in church every other Sunday"

So Messiah was saying to go out and slaughter an animal?

The “Hebrew Scriptures” include the “NT” for us. MJ!

There are fifteen million Jews that would not agree with your assessment, so if you want to provoke Jews to jealousy as the NT instructs, instead of just provoking them, you may want to reconsider your statement. Jews call the TeNaKh the Hebrew scriptures.

You won’t, bother. Because you will be bothering with Aster the goddess of spring who’s birth was early on sun-day morning with , Easter egg,. & egg-laying rabbit,. And you will be doing it a month befor G-d’s season -(the word seasons in Hebrew is Moedim=appointed holidays) In this case Passover. And you will do this even when
G-d said not to. Deu 12: 31
“ You must not worship the LORD your God in their way,”(The word “way” means “Customary manner,or habit”. Dictionary)

We [MJ} “bother” because like Yesha said "Do this in remembrance of Me"
Do what? Do G-d’s Passover!.
SO! On Nisan 14 we MJ will be Celebrating Yeshua death and reassertion in the Passover Sader.

Parts of your above statement look almost verbatim to a statement that I saw Michael Rood make somewhere. Do you study his material? It appears that conjecture is rampant in this post. If you are going to accuse, please be factual in your assessment, and thanks for the Hebrew lesson.


P.S. What translation were you quoting for Deut 12:31?

 

[yod]

The way this was explained to me was that there were a few things that were known and instituted before Sinai. They were Unleavened Bread (including Passover), The Sabbath, and the difference between clean and unclean animals.

Passover was given as a perpetual sign to Israel in Exodus 13:10

Sabbath was given as a perpetual sign to Israel in Exodus 16

Then the Lord told the people He was making a nation of priests out of them and the Torah was given in Exodus 20. Upon hearing the terms of this "new" covenant, the people refused it when they told Moses to be a mediator between them and G-d.

Which is when the whole law was laid down. My friend interprets this as G-d saying to them "OK, you don't like that deal? I'll give you one you really don't like until you accept it!" In the power and grace of the Ruach, we have been given the covenant they rejected in the desert. One of being kings and priests in the Kingdom.

I think this initial rejection by the children of Israel in the desert is what Shaul is referring to when he said the law was added because of sin...but that's another thread.

But regarding this actual sacrifice of a lamb on Passover, since Ezekial tells us that there will be sacrifices offered in the millinnial reign of Messiah, I can't say with certainty that the way my friend is doing Passover is wrong. It weirds me out...but I can't really find any prohibition against it. And when this was given (pre-Sinai) it was called the LORD's sacrifice. Not ours.

Yes, our Passover Lamb was sacrificed once and for all...but could this ceremony be done as a memorial in the same way it is done in Ezekial?

I can at least find biblical precedent for doing so. I'd be interested in hearing any scriptural prohibitions against it.

 

[Sephania]

The sullied Samaritans still do it, just not in the right mountain, is that the point, it should be done in the right place. Where is Ezekiels temple?

 

[Tishri1]

cool: Tishri jumping in in a flash says "...)

Well there is one thing that all of us can agree on, both the Jews and the Messianics are watching and waiting for the Messiah to settle questions like this when He comes (back ).

cool: Tishri zoooms outta sight......)

 

[Child of the Most High]

Well there is one thing that all of us can agree on, both the Jews and the Messianics are watching and waiting for the Messiah to settle questions like this when He comes (back ).

He has already settled it two thousand years ago. He is The Great High Priest. No one does anything without His direction. He has not said to do this. He has called us to be a living sacrifice.

 

[Tishri1]

agreed

 

[visionary]

I would rather be found keeping the feasts of the Lord when He returns and being rebuked for how I did, as God rebukes those He loves, than to not keep the feasts and miss out on all the hidden manna contained within and have no idea when to look up for our redemption draweth nigh. Keeping the feasts are spiritually loaded with rehearsals of the reality soon to come, or in the spring time feasts, loaded with truths of Yeshua's purpose. Since I believe it is in the spirit in which the feasts are kept that are important, I do not concern myself with the Martha duties so much and seek to sit at the feet of Yeshua more.

 

[Tishri1]

I would rather be found keeping the feasts of the Lord when He returns and being rebuked for how I did, as God rebukes those He loves, than to not keep the feasts and miss out on all the hidden manna contained within and have no idea when to look up for our redemption draweth nigh. Keeping the feasts are spiritually loaded with rehearsals of the reality soon to come, or in the spring time feasts, loaded with truths of Yeshua's purpose. Since I believe it is in the spirit in which the feasts are kept that are important, I do not concern myself with the Martha duties so much and seek to sit at the feet of Yeshua more.

a girl after my own heart

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Just don't forget Yeshua said "For the Jew first then for the Gentile" several times if I remember right.

Shalom,

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[Tishri1]

that's interesting what are you thinking?

 

[visionary]

Just don't forget Yeshua said "For the Jew first then for the Gentile" several times if I remember right.

Shalom,

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why do you think that in the end days ten will hang onto a jew's hem saying I understand God is with you? I believe it is because when the Jew's get it, it will blow the socks off the gentles.

 

[Child of the Most High]

why do you think that in the end days ten will hang onto a jew's hem saying I understand God is with you? I believe it is because when the Jew's get it, it will blow the socks off the gentles.

So, is the Almighty a respecter of persons?

 

[yod]

He has already settled it two thousand years ago. He is The Great High Priest. No one does anything without His direction. He has not said to do this.

Where?

Hebrews 7 is close...but that is talking about the Leviticul system of offerings...and again Passover predates the Leviticul system.

And the Apostles were surely still doing the Passover as long as they were alive. It seems like they would have mentioned a change if it had been instituted upon Yeshua's sacrifice.

I realize it sounds culturally repulsive to envion sacrificing an animal in modern times...but really it was also what everyone had for supper on this night. Families came from all over Israel and the world to camp out on the outskirts of Jerusalem. They brought the Lamb to the priest who made sure it was a spotless animal, then made sure all the blood was drained.

Then they roasted it at their tent and everyone ate it before morning??? Who knows what happens next?

He has called us to be a living sacrifice.

That was probably as true of any believers who lived in the days of Moses because it is speaking spiritually of a heart-circumcision. That doesn't necessarily prove the point (I think) you are trying to make.



Actually this whole discussion has made me wonder about where the current version of Passover comes from. Did they do the Passover this way in Babylon? Who came up with it? Did they change it much once the Temple was gone?

 

[visionary]

So, is the Almighty a respecter of persons?

No, GOd is not a respector of persons, but the jews have known the laws of God for years and years, and when the light comes upon them, they will be living the law in the light, such as we have not seen among the gentiles. It will all be to the glory of God.

 

[Sephania]

Vis, you don't think any Jews are "living in the light" now?