CDC Cautions Churches ... after COVID 19 outbreak

[A_Thinker]

Okay, so you've put following Christ on hold because it's convenient for you ...

Not exposing others to a potentially deadly illness ... is a matter of convenience ?

 

[Hazelelponi]

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Not exposing others to a potentially deadly illness ... is a matter of convenience ?

I edited.

 

[TLK Valentine]

So, the Christian walk comes and goes as the wind blows, and all these things are unimportant and can wait?

Since when does the Christian walk lead into a stone building?

 

[A_Thinker]

Here's my issue, and my point. People don't just stop because there's a disease about...

In fact, during this pandemic problems usually pile on top of problems. We now have more unemployment than at any point in this nation in our lifetimes...

The sick are still sick, and getting sicker. You've locked them in their homes, blaming everything on them, and then refuse to be a comfort to them when they need the most comfort.

Your throwing people away like yesterday's garbage, because, like, you care so much for them...

You've destroyed the economy, made people starve in their names, and then thrown them away because they don't matter, just power and control... and for what?

A few extra days they don't even want, that they know they can't have.

And then, then you say they are PERPETUATING DEATH because they just want to be around their brothers and sisters in Christ... because they have no one else on earth.

The Christ I follow ... is a proponent of LIFE.

Jesus spent His earthly ministry teaching the lost, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, and even raising the dead.

 

[Hazelelponi]

The Christ I follow ... is a proponent of LIFE.

Jesus spent His earthly ministry teaching the lost, healing the sick, and even raising the dead.

The ressurection and eternal life is what Christ was a proponent of... the miracles was to show He was sent by God, and each miracle had a message within.

If this temporal life was the point He would have taken the kingdoms of this world and saved His temporal life, instead of laying it down in favor of us all entering into the life to come, eternal life in Heaven.

That's the Life Jesus was on about... that's the life HE died for. And, He told us to take up our cross and follow Him, not trade it in for the life of this world.

Anyway, since I'm just an evil doer perpetuating death I'll leave you be.

I have this feeling you'll never understand me, or the things I find important.

The regularly scheduled program of living in fear of death shall now commence.

 

[A_Thinker]

Anyway, since I'm just an evil doer perpetuating death I'll leave you be.

I've never expressed these sentiments regarding you.

In fact, I don't think I've expressed any derogatory sentiment towards you.

 

[A_Thinker]

The ressurection and eternal life is what Christ was a proponent of... the miracles was to show He was sent by God, and each miracle had a message within.

If this temporal life was the point He would have taken the kingdoms of this world and saved His temporal life, instead of laying it down in favor of us all entering into the life to come, eternal life in Heaven.

That's the Life Jesus was on about... that's the life HE died for. And, He told us to take up our cross and follow Him, not trade it in for the life of this world.

My point ... is that Jesus did not disdain the PHYSICAL NEEDS of His audiences.

He had no problem addressing those needs which were most urgent to them.

After all, you can't preach to the dead ...

 

[Hazelelponi]

I've never expressed these sentiments regarding you.

In fact, I don't think I've expressed any derogatory sentiment towards you.

Yes. Yes you did when you specifically told me I was perpetuating death if I went to church today or taught that assembly as taught in the Bible was a necessary aspect of the faith.

But that's okay, everyone in that thread was right. I'm not the Christian you all are, and I have no rights to step foot in one of your churches or call myself Christian.

You all have defined me out of Christianity, when you declared me a "perpetrator of death" when I tried to speak Biblical truths about MY faith concerning the essential nature of assembling with one another, a faith which I have previously defined as Christian, since I am to the best of my ability, a follower of Christ according to revealed Scripture.

So, this perpetrator of death will never with my evil self soil your faith with Scripture again.

 

[A_Thinker]

Yes. Yes you did when you specifically told me I was perpetuating death if I went to church today.

I did not address such an accusation to you.

I raised a hypothetical question (to all concerned) ... concerning how WE, as christians, are faithful to Christ's command ... to LOVE as He LOVED ... in a time when a physical visit might bring forth death.

But that's okay, everyone in that thread was right. I'm not the Christian you all are, and I have no rights to step foot in one of your churches or call myself Christian.

You all have defined me out of Christianity, when you declared me a "perpetrator of death" when I tried to speak Biblical truths about MY faith concerning the essential nature of assembling with one another, a faith which I have previously defined as Christian, since I am to the best of my ability, a follower of Christ according to revealed Scripture.

You'll recall that your argument was the reverse ... in that other thread, you were the one accusing your brethren.

So I call this ... projection.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I did not address such an accusation to you.

I raised a hypothetical question (to all concerned) ... concerning how WE, as christians, are faithful to Christ's command ... to LOVE as He LOVED ... in a time when a physical visit might bring forth death.

You'll recall that your argument was the reverse ... in that other thread, you were the one accusing your brethren.

So I call this ... projection.

Nope, I have no brethren....

we are busy warning Christians that if they go to church they will die today...

Getting bonus life points now. ...

Think Satan's more powerful than God?

Oh well, who cares if we're on the losing team! Eat drink and be merry is my motto! (So long as you keep a healthy fear of death anyway!)

Let's keep people away from church and call them perpetuators of death! It's a death cult anyway.. right?

Haha

This is too fun...

 

[A_Thinker]

Nope, I have no brethren....

we are busy warning Christians that if they go to church they will die today...

Getting bonus life points now. ...

Think Satan's more powerful than God?

Oh well, who cares if we're on the losing team! Eat drink and be merry is my motto! (So long as you keep a healthy fear of death anyway!)

Let's keep people away from church and call them perpetuators of death! It's a death cult anyway.. right?

Haha

This is too fun...

Glad you're having fun ...

 

[Hazelelponi]

Glad you're having fun ...

You provided the fodder!

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

I don't think they should fear the loss of their life in this body more than they love God.

To me Christianity is a choice. We can serve God due to our great love of Him, or we can serve our own temporal interests.

If we are hiding under rocks screaming fear of everything but God, we arent living the life God gave us to live while we have it and we certainly aren't glorfying God with that life. we are hiding our light under a bushel, instead of bringing it out for all to see.

Nothing, not one thing you will do will add another day to your life, no amount of begging will get you an extra day to make it all right.... you have but one life, and your days are numbered.

The question is always, do we serve God, or do we serve self.

If we are Christian the answer is simple. If we are of this world the answer is quite simple.

The only question is how we as individuals answer it.

The invitation is given to unbelievers. Repentance is demanded from the unfaithful. Glory is reserved for the elect of God.

It's more than only action, but it IS action besides... as James said, I'll show you my faith through my works.

This life isn't the be all end all... but what we do and the choices we make during it will determine everything.

How does one "not love God" because they temporarily suspend meeting IN PERSON, when they are still having services online? This is a temporary aberration due to the virus, not an attack on the church. No pastors - or people - are prohibited from declaring or living their faith at all.

This is not fear. This is preferring the weaker brother. Fear would be to remain silenced about your faith in the face of persecution. This is not that.

 

[A_Thinker]

You provided the fodder!

Sorry ... church is calling ...

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sorry ... church is calling ...

Enjoy your time there. People like myself cant go, we spread disease, death and destruction even though we haven't left the house in 2 months.

I guess that's why we have been made prisoners against our will... we're so, contagious.

 

[RDKirk]

As I said on the other thread on this article, I doubt that the CDC can be certain that the church was the source of the infections. In a small town people interact at places other than just church.

No, the church was not the source. The source is Wuhan, China.

However, conventional church services by the nature of their operation are an ideal transmission environment, a virus' happy playground.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes.

So during this coronavirus, who is out doing God's work?

Who is edifying and teaching the Body? Who is administering the sacraments? Who is loving their brethren and giving them support?

Who is sharing Christ with the lost? Checking on the elderly? Feeding the hungry?

No. Everyone is locked inside their homes fearing death, binge watching fear on t.v., glued to the internet spreading the fear they ate for breakfast......

a few food pantries are operating and thats it.....

Not true. All that is going on in my church, even though we are holding services electronically.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Nvm... not worth it anymore.

 

[Hank77]

I don't think they should fear the loss of their life in this body more than they love God.

To me Christianity is a choice. We can serve God due to our great love of Him, or we can serve our own temporal interests.

If we are hiding under rocks screaming fear of everything but God, we arent living the life God gave us to live while we have it and we certainly aren't glorfying God with that life. we are hiding our light under a bushel, instead of bringing it out for all to see.

Nothing, not one thing you will do will add another day to your life, no amount of begging will get you an extra day to make it all right.... you have but one life, and your days are numbered.

The question is always, do we serve God, or do we serve self.

If we are Christian the answer is simple. If we are of this world the answer is quite simple.

The only question is how we as individuals answer it.

The invitation is given to unbelievers. Repentance is demanded from the unfaithful. Glory is reserved for the elect of God.

It's more than only action, but it IS action besides... as James said, I'll show you my faith through my works.

This life isn't the be all end all... but what we do and the choices we make during it will determine everything.

Then why did God tell the Israelites to put the infected lepers out of the camp if it wasn't in order to isolate the infected and save the lives of others? Why didn't He just heal the lepers and keep others from getting infected and dying?

It seems to me God was showing us how to fight a disease so it wouldn't become a pandemic.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Then why did God tell the Israelites to put the infected lepers out of the camp if it wasn't in order to isolate the infected and save the lives of others? Why didn't He just heal the lepers and keep others from getting infected and dying?

It seems to me God was showing us how to fight a disease so it wouldn't become a pandemic.

The lepers were isolated. Not the healthy who weren't infected.

There is no biblical mandate to quarantine the healthy to keep from getting into contact with the sick.

And, as an odd course of events, the Israelites were an unusually healthy population. They also had greater ease with childbearing according to foreigners.

So no. No quarantine of the healthy in Scriptures except in the case of the Egyptian plague, which I don't think we can compare this to. Not seen God telling us to hide ourselves from the plague, and I have my doubts about the Pastors that make the comparison, not that I can say for sure I suppose.

Seems more a natural event in the course of time. Stuff occurs, life goes on. The sun shines and the rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous alike.