Catholics CAN'T Answer This Question!!!

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
Still, those words are not in scripture. Much like the word purgatory. But, as with Trinity, it can be found in the scriptures. Yet, you fail to see it, or more correctly, refuse to see it!

My dear friend.......that is incorrect! The WORD Trinity IS NOT in the Bible. YOU said it and I accept it.

Now there is a process used in ALL Christian Seminaries called "Implied Truth".

It is through that teaching process we all have come to learn and accept the doctrine of the Trinity.
The same process identifies the RAPTURE.

Sola Scriptura IS NOT A BIBLE doctrine so it has no need to be understood in such a fashion.

Sola Scriptura is simply a way of thinking and considering the Scriptures themselves. IT is NOT a Bible Doctrine so the thought of a word being or not being does not apply in this case.

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Albion said:
The Trinity is, however, proved by Scripture, even if the word isn't used. It's inescapable, in fact. But Purgatory is neither mentioned nor referred to.

And that is the truth.

Many things are understood by implication when the exact word is not found.

But Purgatory as you have correctly said is not in that group at all as there are NO implications, or suggestions of such a place or situation.

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
Still, those words are not in scripture. Much like the word purgatory. But, as with Trinity, it can be found in the scriptures. Yet, you fail to see it, or more correctly, refuse to see it!

As my friend Albion has asked........."where is the Scriptures is the explanation of WHO goes there, WHY do they go there and WHERE is this place.......according to the Scriptures which you said have been posted.

Antig · Dec 26, 2017

Albion said:
If it were, you could point to the verses that teach who goes there, why they do, what the place is for, and everything that makes "Purgatory" what the RCC says it is--just as the Bible defines Heaven and Hell. I have already put these questions out there for anyone to act on and, of course, no one has been able to show that Purgatory is in the Bible.

As has been said. You have been given the scripture but your eyes are very much closed to it.

You are welcome to think otherwise.

Blessings to you this Christmas

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
As has been said. You have been given the scripture but your eyes are very much closed to it.

You are welcome to think otherwise.

Blessings to you this Christmas

I guess I am blind or can not read or just asleep. But I have missed those Bible Scriptures.

I am sure that you would not mind posting them for us again. You see we are just poor, struggling Evangelicals and we need your help to get this right.

And since Christmas is past, allow me to wish you a Happy and healthy New Year.

Antig · Dec 26, 2017

Major1 said:
Do you know the meaning of "Sola Scriptura"? It has NOTHING what so ever to do with being found in the Scriptures.

The word games that a lot of people like to play are actually a double edged sword. You are trying to weld a personal thought that you have read on A Catholic blog site which says in essence......
If the word Trinity is not in the Bible then it does not exist.

I hope your priest does not learn that you are questioning the Trinity. The others are "Sola Scriptura" and "Faith ALone". Somehow you have determined that the way to debate this is to question the existence of Doctrine based the actual WORD being in the Bible.

Now the doubled sword is this.......Now can you quote the word "ROSARY" from the Scriptures.

Since it is NOT there, just like "Sola Scriptura and Trinity" it therefore must not exist.
That line of thinking would then remove "Transubstantiation" from being believed as it does not exist.
The "Assumption of Mary" is now also rejected, NOT BY ME but by YOUR own words.

Yes, this is the way you work yourself. You close your eyes to scripture. You only see what you want to see. I am happy to see for myself scriptural evidence as laid out by the Catholic church. I know you will never agree. That is very much understandable. You are set in your ways as are others who are against Catholic teaching.

I have no issues with that. I wish you peace and happiness.

Antig · Dec 26, 2017

Albion said:
The Trinity is, however, proved by Scripture, even if the word isn't used. It's inescapable, in fact. But Purgatory is neither mentioned nor referred to.

It is proved by scripture. Problem being is that you refuse to see it. That's ok with me. I am very much happy with my Catholic churches teachings.

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
Scriptural evidence has been given but, as usual, those who disbelieve the Catholic teachings refuse to accept the verses offered! You will not accept them just like we 'WILL' accept them! They are very real to us. A church that spans 2,000 plus years.

Can I ask you? How old is your denomination?

I do not have a denomination!!!!

What has that got to do with the price of tea in China?????

Of, I got it. Since you believe the Catholic church is old, then it must be right.

WHEN and IF these mysterious Scriptures are finally produced, I will be the 1st to sing your praise!

Antig · Dec 26, 2017

Major1 said:
I guess I am blind or can not read or just asleep. But I have missed those Bible Scriptures.

I am sure that you would not mind posting them for us again. You see we are just poor, struggling Evangelicals and we need your help to get this right.

And since Christmas is past, allow me to wish you a Happy and healthy New Year.

Scroll up and you will see them, as posted by another Catholic.

Oops, sorry, you refuse to see them!

Never mind. It's fine. I will continue in my belief untroubled.

Albion · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
As has been said. You have been given the scripture but your eyes are very much closed to it.

To be more accurate, some Scripture was cited, but it didn't prove any Purgatory. It did not even come close. The few references that were presented appear, in fact, to be speaking of something else.

Purgatory really rests upon a misuse of "Holy Tradition," not Scripture, but we have gotten into this debate because Catholics have insisted here that Scripture does speak of Purgatory. By rights, this discussion shouldn't have started.

Antig · Dec 26, 2017

Major1 said:
I do not have a denomination!!!!

What has that got to do with the price of tea in China?????

Of, I got it. Since you believe the Catholic church is old, then it must be right.

WHEN and IF these mysterious Scriptures are finally produced, I will be the 1st to sing your praise!

Oh, sorry. I thought you belonged to a denomination or church?

I was just curious. Sorry

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
Yes, this is the way you work yourself. You close your eyes to scripture. You only see what you want to see. I am happy to see for myself scriptural evidence as laid out by the Catholic church. I know you will never agree. That is very much understandable. You are set in your ways as are others who are against Catholic teaching.

I have no issues with that. I wish you peace and happiness.

My dear friend. I have no desire to argue with you and I certainly do not want to give the impression of disrespecting you......BUT you are completely in error here. YOU are the one whose eyes are closed to Scriptures.

The truth is just this simple......There are NO Scriptures to validate............
Purgatory.
Sinlessness of Mary.
The Assumption of Mary.
The Veneration of Mary.
Praying the ROSARY.

Please understand, I am that there are NONE, ZERO Scriptures to validate those teachings and that is only 6 of probably 30 or 40. Do you want to go on????

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
Oh, sorry. I thought you belonged to a denomination or church?

I was just curious. Sorry

No reason to apologize! I do belong to a church but it is independent and non-denominational.

I do that for the specific reason of avoiding personal comments and arguments.

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
It is proved by scripture. Problem being is that you refuse to see it. That's ok with me. I am very much happy with my Catholic churches teachings.

Not so my friend.

Posting 1 Corth. 3:15........
"If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

And then saying that is proof of Purgatory is NOT validating Purgatory.

Scripture context will determine what the Scripture is talking about not just posting something a Blogger site says is valid.

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Yarddog said:
The Word of God is Jesus Christ just in case you don't know that scripture makes that clear and it is Jesus Christ that tells the Holy Spirit what to give us.

That depends on what God decided to share in the vision. Something cannot contradict or add to the totality of the Gospel.

How can a vision given through the Word of God be given greater authority than the Word of God?

Yes Jesus the Word of God is the Head of the Church.

Always do.

I agree.

Thanks.........I did not know that!

Major1 · Dec 26, 2017

Yarddog said:
Who said anything about anyone condemning Oral Tradition? Keep your head in the program.
I wrote in response to your remarks about the Rosary, "In the same place where it says that something has to be in the Bible for it to be believed."

You replied, "Actually what it says is that a Bible doctrine MUSR BE in the Bible to be a Bible doctrine."

Which was a poor response to what I had written, but your reply is totally false since scripture does not say that.

LOL, it is hilarious to read what people ignorant of Catholicism think about Catholics.

14, hmmm, you are using the NKJV. OK.

Let me see, you think that you can prove that "traditions" are bad because 11 of the 14 times that the NKJV translates a Greek or Hebrew word as tradition(s), that is used in a derogatory manner? LOL How about the 3 out of 5 times Paul uses the term to refer to the traditions which he or another Apostle has passed on to them "orally"?

1 Cor. 11:2
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.

Yep, there is a difference between the traditions of the Jews and the traditions of the Apostles, which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

ROTHFLMHO!!! Talk about pie in your face!!! You get on Catholics about not using scripture and your use blows up in your face. Yes Peter, considered to be the first bishop of the Church passed down the Sacred Traditions of Jesus Christ to all of the churches he established, mostly Orally but also some written.

Wrong.

Says the traditions of the men who taught these things.

The Word of God according to scripture is Jesus Christ. When Jesus taught the Apostles the Gospel they went out teaching believers what to do to worship As Christians. Jesus promised the Church that when they gathered in his name that he would be there and gave them the Holy Spirit to guide them in truth. Whatever God's Holy Spirit reveals to the Church, is truth. The unbelief of new Churches does not change that.

Thank you for your input. Allow me to say to you that you are HALF way correct.

The phrase “word of God” appears often in the Bible and can have a slightly different meaning depending on context and the Hebrew or Greek word used.

John 1:1 says,............
“In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.”

Here, Word is a title of the Lord Jesus. The term translated “Word” is logos, which basically means “the expression of a thought.”
LOGUS can be thought of as the total message of God to man seen in Acts 11:1, 1 Thess. 2:13.
Jesus embodied that total message, and that is why He is called the “Logos,” or “WORD,” of God.

Now since you did not seem to know, allow me to help you in understanding this.
Logos is also used many times when referring to the written message of God and that is the WORD used in John 17:17; 1 Timothy 4:5; Rev. 1:2, Col. 1:25.

Heb. 4:12 is that same phraseology of the WRITTEN WORD where it says.........
“The word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

Jesus showed a link between the written Word of God and Himself, in that He is the subject of the written Word in John 5:39 when He said............
“You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me”.

Darrel Slugoski · Dec 26, 2017

Antig said:
Scriptural evidence has been given but, as usual, those who disbelieve the Catholic teachings refuse to accept the verses offered! You will not accept them just like we 'WILL' accept them! They are very real to us. A church that spans 2,000 plus years.

Can I ask you? How old is your denomination?

Yes no amount of evidence will change some peoples opinion . It just deny , deflect , ....ect . We do have a better argument and defense . Got to keep trying .

Darrel Slugoski · Dec 26, 2017

Albion said:
I don't believe that's correct. You made a series of general statements that might refer to Purgatory or to any number of other explanations. You also said that fire is Purgatory, which is like explaining an automobile to someone who had never seen one by saying it's a big piece of metal. Well, in a way, that's so, but it certainly doesn't separate the automobile from a hundred other and quite different items.

Purgatory in fact is not referred to in Scripture--not Purgatory as identified by the Catholic Church. And I listed a number of particulars that that Church has made be part of the raison d'etre of Purgatory. What's more, now that Purgatory has been redefined by the RCC, even the sketchy references you pointed to no longer apply.

Just like explaining heaven to a non believer .You see that is the problem with a number of churches and their doctrines . Each church interprets scripture according to their bias . It is referred to in scripture just as the term Trinity is referred to in scripture . We have been saying for 2000 years that it it exists . Catholics have been praying for the dead for 2000 years and the Jews have been praying for their dead for thousands more,as an example . Did God make a mistake with the Jews ( Gods chosen people ) and Catholics . We have history on our side , precedent , in the OT and the early Church . You do not . there are many Catholic doctrines that can be explained in the way I have . In your churches you have conflicting views ( 55000 Churches/denominations and counting ) on every given point . And if someone does not like that particular interpretation they start a new church or new "tradition of men" . There can only be one right answer for each interpretation . O by the way my Church teaches me to honor you as fully Christian, just missguided . I must believe that . And I do .

Darrel Slugoski · Dec 26, 2017

Albion said:
The Trinity is, however, proved by Scripture, even if the word isn't used. It's inescapable, in fact. But Purgatory is neither mentioned nor referred to.

You have a double standard for us Catholics . It is inescapable fact that purgatory is in scripture you choose not to interpret that way . I have a friend who used to be a oneness pentecostal He said because the word Trinity is not used in the Bible it was not true . He would use other scriptures to make his point . That God was one in the same person manifest in different roles . Not personalities in themselves .

Antig · Dec 27, 2017

Major1 said:
My dear friend. I have no desire to argue with you and I certainly do not want to give the impression of disrespecting you......BUT you are completely in error here. YOU are the one whose eyes are closed to Scriptures.

The truth is just this simple......There are NO Scriptures to validate............
Purgatory.
Sinlessness of Mary.
The Assumption of Mary.
The Veneration of Mary.
Praying the ROSARY.

Please understand, I am that there are NONE, ZERO Scriptures to validate those teachings and that is only 6 of probably 30 or 40. Do you want to go on????

Zero according to you!

Blessings

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