Catholic's, at what point does it become the body?

[winsome]

Man has twisted God's desire for us into so many doctrines and cults its unbelievable to me. Step away from the arguments, there will always be those blinded in this world. Step into the only truth we have God himself teaching us by way of the Holy Spirit.

Why does the Holy Spirit teach people different things?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Why does the Holy Spirit teach people different things?

Gosh, maybe... It's not the Holy Spirit that teaches people different things.

Forgive me...

 

[winsome]

I regret saying "hacked to pieces". I am certain that the priest carefully cuts the bread and does not hack it. In any event, this procedure was quite new to me. I have never observed it in any Catholic church and I think it is a clear difference.

I don't know what happens in Eastern rites, but in the Latin rite the hosts that are used for the congregation are small individual ones. The larger "priests host" that the priest uses at the consecration is already scored and so can easily be broken into pieces

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I don't know what happens in Eastern rites, but in the Latin rite the hosts that are used for the congregation are small individual ones. The larger "priests host" that the priest uses at the consecration is already scored and so can easily be broken into pieces

I think you missed the question about the spear being placed in HIS side.

Forgive me...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Gosh, maybe... It's not the Holy Spirit that teaches people different things.

Forgive me...

Uh oh.....

Gala 1:8 But also if-ever we or a messenger out of heaven should be well-messaging to ye beside which we well-messagizing to ye, anathema/ana-qema <331> let him be.
9 As we have declared before and at present again, I am saying if any is well-messagizing beside which ye beside got, anathema let him be.

Reve 22:3 and every anathema/katana-qema <2652> not shall be still. And the throne of the God/YHWH and of the Lamb-kin/Word in Her shall be, and His bond-servants shall be offering divine-service to Him.

 

[bbbbbbb]

My priest just talked about this last night. He said Christ God is always whole, no matter what. Even if there is a crumb of the Eucharist. It is the whole Body of Christ. He cannot be "cut up."

This talk of all this cutting up and such. The change is done by the Holy Spirit. Why question how He does it. We don't know, just like we don't know how He does other things.

It does strike me as peculiar that the bread would be divided so meticulously in the Eucharist as if the body of Christ could be divided.

 

[Dorothea]

It does strike me as peculiar that the bread would be divided so meticulously in the Eucharist as if the body of Christ could be divided.

Well, I don't understand most of that pertaining to the dividing of the bread, His Body whole, etc. and probably never will. But I'm ok with that. I don't have to know everything. Just have faith in Him.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by bbbbbbb It does strike me as peculiar that the bread would be divided so meticulously in the Eucharist as if the body of Christ could be divided.

Well, I don't understand most of that pertaining to the dividing of the bread, His Body whole, etc. and probably never will. But I'm ok with that. I don't have to know everything. Just have faith in Him.

Gives new meaning to the "2 swords" doctrine

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Luke 12:51 Ye are supposing that Peace I came to give in the land. Nay! I am saying to ye, but rather division

Reve 6:4 And came forth another firey horse
and to the one sitting on him was given to him to be taking the Peace from the land

 

[Uphill Battle]

The whole thought of "you're dividing Christ if you're cutting the bread" is an invalid one. If it did indeed change to his Body, I'm sure that he wouldn't mind it being cut in to palatable sizes, since it's about to be chewed and swallowed.

And no, I'm not attempting to be crass.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

crass&#8194;

&#8211;adjective, -er, -est.
1. without refinement, delicacy, or sensitivity; gross; obtuse; stupid: crass commercialism; a crass misrepresentation of the facts.
2. Archaic . thick; coarse.

Forgive me...

 

[Rick Otto]

The whole thought of "you're dividing Christ if you're cutting the bread" is an invalid one. If it did indeed change to his Body, I'm sure that he wouldn't mind it being cut in to palatable sizes, since it's about to be chewed and swallowed.

And no, I'm not attempting to be crass.

Well that's just it. Once you've allowed the wild card in the deck, anything goes as long as it's "dealer's choice".
And that's why this isn't just like not knowing other things we don't know.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

crass&#8194;

&#8211;adjective, -er, -est.
1. without refinement, delicacy, or sensitivity; gross; obtuse; stupid: crass commercialism; a crass misrepresentation of the facts.
2. Archaic . thick; coarse.

Forgive me...

I had heard someone had to be "thick skinned" to be on GT

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4644&t=KJV

Acts 7:51 Ye stiff-necked/sklhrotrachloi <4644> and uncircumcised to hearts and to the ears,
ye always to the Holy Spirit are striving, as the fathers of ye, also ye

 

[Cain Spencer]

I think you missed the question about the spear being placed in HIS side.

Forgive me...

:x ...we can't have that now can we?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Well that's just it. Once you've allowed the wild card in the deck, anything goes as long as it's "dealer's choice".
And that's why this isn't just like not knowing other things we don't know.

yes... and remember I don't agree with them on the change. All I was musing about was that if it's Christ's flesh, then cutting the bread would be of no note, if chewing was the next step in the process.

 

[Dorothea]

See, I don't understand this chewing and swallowing like it is described here. It's one swallow because we get a piece about the size of a crumb (about 1/2 inch in diameter of bread, and it's mixed with the water and wine on the little teaspoon. So, really, there isn't much munching going on.

You've got to think spiritually, mystically, and have faith. Not think in rationalistic, scientific, clinical terms. That's not how God works.

 

[Cain Spencer]

yes... and remember I don't agree with them on the change. All I was musing about was that if it's Christ's flesh, then cutting the bread would be of no note, if chewing was the next step in the process.

What's that?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Why does the Holy Spirit teach people different things?

because people are different?

 

[Cain Spencer]

See, I don't understand this chewing and swallowing like it is described here. It's one swallow because we get a piece about the size of a crumb (about 1/2 inch in diameter of bread, and it's mixed with the water and wine on the little teaspoon. So, really, there isn't much munching going on.

You've got to think spiritually, mystically, and have faith. Not think in rationalistic, scientific, clinical terms. That's not how God works.

What church do you go to!?

 

[Cain Spencer]

because people are different?

...or because God loves the same result that He got from taking us to the tower of babel?

 

[ShanksForte]

What church do you go to!?

She's Eastern Orthodox, they, as far as I know, recieve communion mixed with the blood of Christ (Catholics can too) and swallow it.