Catholics and ALLAH

[Thekla]

Islam also usurped fasting, daily hours of prayer, and church temple architecture, shall we throw those out also

some have

 

[Carey]

I have a question.
By the way Good thread When threre is this much response God is working.

I have to admit I smell defenders of Islam here.
Are youdefnedinng something obviosly (ANTI CHRSIT) or are you trying to be politically correct ?? Now e know Christ was cricified for NOT being politically correct.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have a question.
By the way Good thread When threre is this much response God is working.

I have to admit I smell defenders of Islam here.
Are youdefnedinng something obviosly (ANTI CHRSIT) or are you trying to be politically correct ?? Now e know Christ was cricified for NOT being politically correct.

It is not a matter of defending Islam but as a Religion, they also have right to their own beliefs.
What I don't see is many Christians going up against Islam to defend our Bible and Christ against the Corruption caused by Muhammad's own interpretation of it.

For example, why do the atheists always pick on Christ-ians more than Islam.
Still trying to figure that one out.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Because the bible tells us to love our enemies, while the Qu'ran says to kill the unbelievers. >_> Maybe that's it?

 

[Carey]

It is not a matter of defending Islam but as a Religion, they also have right to their own beliefs.
What I don't see is many Christians going up against Islam to defend our Bible and Christ against the Corruption caused by Muhammad's own interpretation of it.

For example, why do the atheists always pick on Christ-ians more than Islam.
Still trying to figure that one out.

Here is why (SOME) stand fir, against ISLAMS FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD and
WHY ATHEISTS PERSECUTE Christins more than Muslims.

Matthew 24 : 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

 

[PaladinValer]

for the sake of discussion, knowing that allah is the name used by a false religion, even if it IS an accurate translation, should we use it?

So is Yahveh. He was part of a polytheistic pantheon before the Jews worshiped Him alone and then saw Him as the only true God even later.

http://www.letusreason.org/Islam6.htm

another insteresting article on the issue

Same problems with the other article. I'm personally not impressed.

Do they? I was not aware that they lend their names to false religions.

I must ask, and perhaps I'm entirely mistaken: in your profile, it says you are a SS teacher. Does that stand for Social Studies or something else?

Islam is only being "picked on" here because that is the subject of the thread.

It is only being picked on largely by yourself.

He is generally more protective of His name than we are.

I don't see Him waving any flags at the millions of Christians who say Allah. I see you however waving the a flag though.

That's why were discussing it and exploring links etc.

You've got to be kidding me!! get over yourself.

Who should get over himself/herself?

I have a question.
By the way Good thread When threre is this much response God is working.

I have to admit I smell defenders of Islam here.
Are youdefnedinng something obviosly (ANTI CHRSIT) or are you trying to be politically correct ?? Now e know Christ was cricified for NOT being politically correct.

Lets see....the Muslim is my neighbor, and since to love one's neighbor as oneself is akin to loving God, I'm doing nothing more than doing what God desires of me.

Here is why (SOME) stand fir, against ISLAMS FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD and
WHY ATHEISTS PERSECUTE Christins more than Muslims.

Matthew 24 : 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Whoopie-doo really. Does that mean I'm going to go around spreading hate, lies, and misery?

 

[Carey]

So is Yahveh. He was part of a polytheistic pantheon before the Jews worshiped Him alone and then saw Him as the only true God even later.



Same problems with the other article. I'm personally not impressed.



I must ask, and perhaps I'm entirely mistaken: in your profile, it says you are a SS teacher. Does that stand for Social Studies or something else?



It is only being picked on largely by yourself.



I don't see Him waving any flags at the millions of Christians who say Allah. I see you however waving the a flag though.



Who should get over himself/herself?



Lets see....the Muslim is my neighbor, and since to love one's neighbor as oneself is akin to loving God, I'm doing nothing more than doing what God desires of me.



Whoopie-doo really. Does that mean I'm going to go around spreading hate, lies, and misery?

It is OK to hate Islam a false religion started by a false prophet named Muhammad.
It is not OK to hate the decieved Muslims who follow it.
Even though they are taught to hate and kill infidels , blasphemers they call everyone who calls Christ the Son Of God.
If you are a soldier and you have a terrorist in your crosshairs can you love him while you do your duty??

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here is why (SOME) stand fir, against ISLAMS FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD and
WHY ATHEISTS PERSECUTE Christins more than Muslims.

Matthew 24 : 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Hi. According to the Muslims, Jesus only came to save the Jews and Israel and not the rest of the World. Perhaps we need to explain the book of Revelation better to them and the unbelieving Jews? [I view much of as fulfilled btw].

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ...l-mankind.html
jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind

John 1:29 on the morrow John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, `Lo, the Lamb/amnoV <286>of the God/YHWH, who is taking away the Sin of the World/kosmou <2889>;

Revelation 5:6and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb-kin/arnion <721> hath stood as it had been Slaughtered/esfagmenon <4969>,

 

[PaladinValer]

Because the bible tells us to love our enemies, while the Qu'ran says to kill the unbelievers. >_> Maybe that's it?

Read the OT ever?

And have you actually read the Qur'an?

 

[PaladinValer]

It is OK to hate Islam a false religion started by a false prophet named Muhammad.

God is love, not hate. Westboro Baptists think otherwise, but we all know what pretty much everyone else in the world thinks about that theology...

It is not OK to hate the decieved Muslims who follow it.

You contradict yourself.

Even though they are taught to hate and kill infidels , blasphemers they call everyone who calls Christ the Son Of God.

Never read the Qur'an have you?

If you are a soldier and you have a terrorist in your crosshairs can you love him while you do your duty??

Oh yes...Islam=terrorism. I could say the same of many Christians. I suppose that means you're a terrorist too and me as well.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Read the OT ever?

And have you actually read the Qur'an?

I believe him and most others are waiting on the future "rapture" [Note the Eschatology Board for example]

Ironically the Muslims are also waiting on the same type of "Endtime" scenario Christ-are waiting on!!!
This is actually a very interesting thread and hope more Christ-ians get involved in it. Peace.

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ...l-mankind.html
jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind

Exodus 12:21 And Mosheh calleth for all the elders of Yisra'el, and saith unto them, `Draw out and take for yourselves [from] the flock, for your families, and Slaughter/07819 shachat the pecach/Passover-sacrifice;......

Revelation 5:6 and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb-kin hath stood as it had been Slaughtered/esfagmenon <4969>,

 

[Carey]

God is love, not hate. Westboro Baptists think otherwise, but we all know what pretty much everyone else in the world thinks about that theology...

Here is 1 example of God hating something

Deuteronomy 22 : 5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this



You contradict yourself.

Hating a false religion and haying the follower of that false religion is not the same thing therefore not a contradiction



Never read the Qur'an have you?
Yes I have


Oh yes...Islam=terrorism. I could say the same of many Christians. I suppose that means you're a terrorist too and me as well.

Of course not where did that come from??

Sorry my attempt at multiquote did not work but I answered all your quotes.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Read the OT ever?

And have you actually read the Qur'an?

Eh, i've read the OT, why? No i've not read the qu'ran.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I believe him and most others are waiting on the future "rapture" [Note the Eschatology Board for example]

Ironically the Muslims are also waiting on the same type of "Endtime" scenario Christ-are waiting on!!!
This is actually a very interesting thread and hope more Christ-ians get involved in it. Peace.

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ...l-mankind.html
jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind

Exodus 12:21 And Mosheh calleth for all the elders of Yisra'el, and saith unto them, `Draw out and take for yourselves [from] the flock, for your families, and Slaughter/07819 shachat the pecach/Passover-sacrifice;......

Revelation 5:6 and I saw, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb-kin hath stood as it had been Slaughtered/esfagmenon <4969>,

I guess that makes me scum then? Or just an idiot?

 

[PaladinValer]

Here is 1 example of God hating something

Deuteronomy 22 : 5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this

Ritual/Holiness law....negated by Christ.

Not proof. I'm a Christian, not a Judaizer.

Hating a false religion and haying the follower of that false religion is not the same thing therefore not a contradiction

I don't hate anything because I believe in the Love of God. You should try it sometime.

Yes I have

Then you are familiar with these?:
[17:33] Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)
[22:39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
[2:190-192] And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
There are two forms of "jihad" in Islam, Carey. The first is the pure jihad, which is the war waged within oneself to submit peacefully to the Will of God. The other is a defensive physical war against those who attack you first only.
And just one more passage:
[2:256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever rejects Satan (and what he calls to) and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handhold, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Doesn't sound to me like Osama and his ilk are orthodox Muslims.

Eh, i've read the OT, why? No i've not read the qu'ran.

Then any opinion of your's is automatically void.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hating a false religion and haying the follower of that false religion is not the same thing therefore not a contradiction

Originally Posted by Ishida
Eh, i've read the OT, why? No i've not read the qu'ran.

Then any opinion of your's is automatically void.

Interesting thread on Muslims and Jews over here:

http://foru.ms/t5885484-muslims-and-jews.html

quote poster: When I was workin in gas station in US, dis man use to come by n buy cigarretes. He was nice man. We talked one day for hour about many things. Then when he said he was Jew, n he asked me what religion I was, I told him Muslim. After that he stopped talkin to me. I was upset because religion divided us. It should not b that way. Its wrong, n both sides r to blame. It gets us nowhere.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Ritual/Holiness law....negated by Christ.

Not proof. I'm a Christian, not a Judaizer.



I don't hate anything because I believe in the Love of God. You should try it sometime.



Then you are familiar with these?:
[17:33] Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)
[22:39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
[2:190-192] And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
There are two forms of "jihad" in Islam, Carey. The first is the pure jihad, which is the war waged within oneself to submit peacefully to the Will of God. The other is a defensive physical war against those who attack you first only.
And just one more passage:
[2:256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever rejects Satan (and what he calls to) and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handhold, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Doesn't sound to me like Osama and his ilk are orthodox Muslims.

Then any opinion of your's is automatically void.

Why?

 

[PaladinValer]

Why?

Because you lack the basic knowledge required to make an truly informed decision.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Because you lack the basic knowledge required to make an truly informed decision.

Ok.

 

[R3quiem]

The Qur'an does teach a much more aggressive viewpoint than the NT does. It preaches "eye for an eye", unlike Christ.

It does have it's positives though, it's not just a book of evil. It also says that it is better to pursue peace, and to forgive people who repent.

It's not accurate to lump all of Islam together as "the bad guys". It seems way too many Christians have this viewpoint, and in my opinion, they just use that mentality to comfort themselves in the "I'm right, you're wrong" approach.