Catholic?

[PoppyB]

Before you dare to make this challenge, YOU must prove that scripture says all matters of faith must be in the bible. You were asked this question before and refused to answer. Here is your chance.

If it's not in the bible then it's man-made.

 

[concretecamper]

If it's not in the bible then it's man-made

maybe you can help us all out and show us all where in the bible it states all matters of faith must be included in the bible.

 

[Tigger45]

1 Corinthians 4:6


Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

 

[concretecamper]

1 Corinthians 4:6


Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

Ok, so St Paul urges the Corinthians not to go beyond what he wrote to them concerning boasting, applause, opinion of men.

This hardly applies to the whole of scripture and the totality of Christian beliefs.

 

[Tigger45]

No way. St Paul is applying it to himself and Apollos and as a defining criteria to Christian laity to not get drawn in by boastful leaders with their self serving dogmas.

 

[ralfyman]

No, it doesn't. The choice of books does not make the books into something they were not before. That action simply acknowledges which books are inspired to the exclusion of others. Thereafter, the Bible is the guide to essential doctrine rather than something else.

I'm not arguing that that led to changes in books that were chosen. Rather, they were chosen over others based on authority and doctrinal views, among others.

 

[ralfyman]

Incorrect.....again.

God Himself was the one who made that decision.

The Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Bible. It was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles - not the Catholic Church.

But the two points you gave are the same as those of the Church used to argue against sola scriptura! The only difference is that you're claiming that they are not Roman Catholic.

 

[concretecamper]

No way. St Paul is applying it to himself and Apollos and as a defining criteria to Christian laity to not get drawn in by boastful leaders with their self serving dogmas.

There was plenty written about being humble and not boastful, seeking the esteem of men, in what was considered scripture at that time (Tenakh).

Beside, Paul 1st letter to the Corinthians was pretty early on, before most of the New Testament was even written. Paul couldn't have been referring to the bible.

 

[ralfyman]

Please post ONE Scripture in which any Apostle spoke of veneration to Mary, or infant baptism, or Purgatory, or the Immaculate conception of Mary or the Assumption of MAry.

Again, you're committing the flaw of sola scriptura! As explained to you earlier, many of these beliefs stem from what the early Church was doing before the canon of the Bible was completed, and that's the same early Church that established the same canon.

 

[Tigger45]

So it’s not okay to go beyond what was written in the Hebrew scriptures but it is okay to go beyond what an Apostle said especially considering it was an Apostle that was teaching the concept that would then be later cannonized as scripture?

 

[prodromos]

Yes, my church follows an order of service that is similar to yours

The order of service is just as much doctrine as prayers to the Saints

 

[concretecamper]

So it’s not okay to go beyond what was written in the Hebrew scriptures

Paul was talking about humility, boasting, and seeking the approval of men. I think there is plenty in the Hebrew scriptures AND what Paul wrote that addresses the topic. You dont?

but it is okay to go beyond what an Apostle said especially considering it was an Apostle that was teaching the concept that would then be later cannonized as scripture?

we agree that Paul's teaching on humility, boasting, and seeking the approval of.men is adequate. If you could show where the Church has added to that teaching, please provide some proof.

You are taking a specific teaching and attempting to stretch it into something else that would kink the neck of mostly everyone.

 

[Tigger45]

The Apostle Paul said “don’t go beyond what is written.” I’ll take him at his word as inspired by God.

 

[concretecamper]

The Apostle Paul said “don’t go beyond what is written.” I’ll take him at his word as inspired by God.

So do I. I just dont add to the Word of God.

 

[Tigger45]

Yet ironically you argue against the very scripture that says not to.

 

[concretecamper]

Yet ironically you argue against the very scripture that says not to.

nope, I take Paul for his word, inspired by God, not to boast,.not to seek the approval of men over God. Next.....

 

[Tigger45]

He specifically said “do not go beyond what is written”. Boastfulness was the motivator.

 

[concretecamper]

He specifically said “do not go beyond what is written”. Boastfulness was the motivator.

Boasting what the topic.

I wonder if you have the same BROAD interpretation when Paul tells Timothy to listen to the Church. I suspect not.

 

[Tigger45]

When all else fails change the subject.

 

[concretecamper]

When all else fails change the subject.

no, just pointing out a glaring contradiction to your logic. QED