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Catholic vs. Protestant: Justification

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Justification is, without a doubt, the central issue in the Catholic-Protestant divide, even if we often get caught up in the lesser issues (papal infallibility, purgatory, Marian doctrines). Even the debate over Holy Communion cannot compare, as many on the Protestant side ally themselves with the Catholics in the real presence debate; no such exceptions exist when discussing justification.

Unfortunately, the debate is racked with oversimplifications. Far too often, it is cast as a debate of faith vs. works. This, of course, is not the case.

Rather, the debate is over: forensic justification though faith alone vs. process justification through faith and meritorious works.

The Protestant position
is that justification (= making righteous) is an instantaneous event, whereby God himself proclaims the sinner legally righteous (forensic) solely on the basis of their possession of faith.

Two important notes: First, authentic, saving faith, according to historic Protestants, is not merely intellectual assent (assensus). 'Mere belief' does not save us. Authentic, saving faith also includes fiducia, meaning faithfulness and trust, that consists in love for the content of faith, which of necessity inspires good works within us. Thus good works are not absent from the Protestant doctrine of justification, but automatically flow from it.

Second, it's important to note that God's declaration of righteousness happens because, as the sins of the person are legally credited to Christ, the holiness of Christ is legally credited (imputed) to the person in question (this is called double imputation). Thus, from the moment of conversion, the person is fully and completely righteous as Christ is fully and completely righteous. The process of sanctification, mirroring the Catholic process of justification in some respects, most continue after this to bring the sinner's actions into accord with the proclamation of justification. But where justified sinners fall short in the process of sanctification, they can fall back on their imputed righteousness.

The Catholic position is that justification is an extended process, which begins when the person first has faith, and then continues as the righteousness won by Christ on the cross is transfused into them both through the continued outpouring of God's love and as the believer merits additional righteousness through good works.

A corresponding note: The process of justification begins solely because the sinner processes saving faith. Moreover, the process continues solely because God continues to pour out his blessings on the person in question. Yet, and herein lies the crucial distinction, God, in his grace, has also allowed the works of the adopted sinner to contribute to the process. They are not required in the same sense as the law requires them of the unbeliever, but the person is called upon to contribute to their justification in cooperation with God. They are only able to do so because God is willing to view the works of his children as meritorious, as something that adds to what he accomplishes within them, but it does place much of the responsibility for completing the process on the shoulders of the adopted sinner.

I'll make an argument for the Protestant view in another post. But hopefully this will help clear up the issue so that we don't have insidious strawmen floating about. I hope Catholics feel I've done justice to their view.
 
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Protestants teach that justification is essentially a declaration of “not guilty” and “righteous” pronounced by God on a sinner because of Christ and His work.
Roman Catholics teach that justification involves an internal process in which a believer is transformed
and “made” more and more righteous
 
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Annnnnd, for the Catholics, that we, the believers, through our works, are given the opportunity to contribute to that process.
Yes good point, I came up a sentence short their didn't I?
 
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I think you are rather over simplfying the issue and this makes the differences appear larger than they are. The actual differences are not as great as you imagine. A more thoroughgoing examination of the issues will show that we are actually much closer, although certainly not identical, in understanding.

We confess together that all persons depend completely on the saving grace of God for their salvation. The freedom they possess in relation to persons and the things of this world is no freedom in relation to salvation, for as sinners they stand under God's judgment and are incapable of turning by themselves to God to seek deliverance, of meriting their justification before God, or of attaining salvation by their own abilities. Justification takes place solely by God's grace. Because Catholics and Lutherans confess this together, it is true to say: When Catholics say that persons "cooperate" in preparing for and accepting justification by consenting to God's justifying action, they see such personal consent as itself an effect of grace, not as an action arising from innate human abilities.
According to Lutheran teaching, human beings are incapable of cooperating in their salvation, because as sinners they actively oppose God and his saving action. Lutherans do not deny that a person can reject the working of grace. When they emphasize that a person can only receive (mere passive) justification, they mean thereby to exclude any possibility of contributing to one's own justification, but do not deny that believers are fully involved personally in their faith, which is effected by God's Word.​

We confess together that God forgives sin by grace and at the same time frees human beings from sin's enslaving power and imparts the gift of new life in Christ. When persons come by faith to share in Christ, God no longer imputes to them their sin and through the Holy Spirit effects in them an active love. These two aspects of God's gracious action are not to be separated, for persons are by faith united with Christ, who in his person is our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30): both the forgiveness of sin and the saving presence of God himself. Because Catholics and Lutherans confess this together, it is true to say that: When Lutherans emphasize that the righteousness of Christ is our righteousness, their intention is above all to insist that the sinner is granted righteousness before God in Christ through the declaration of forgiveness and that only in union with Christ is one's life renewed. When they stress that God's grace is forgiving love ("the favor of God"), they do not thereby deny the renewal of the Christian's life. They intend rather to express that justification remains free from human cooperation and is not dependent on the life-renewing effects of grace in human beings.
When Catholics emphasize the renewal of the interior person through the reception of grace imparted as a gift to the believer,they wish to insist that God's forgiving grace always brings with it a gift of new life, which in the Holy Spirit becomes effective in active love. They do not thereby deny that God's gift of grace in justification remains independent of human cooperation.​

Justification by Faith and through Grace
We confess together that sinners are justified by faith in the saving action of God in Christ. By the action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they are granted the gift of salvation, which lays the basis for the whole Christian life. They place their trust in God's gracious promise by justifying faith, which includes hope in God and love for him. Such a faith is active in love and thus the Christian cannot and should not remain without works. But whatever in the justified precedes or follows the free gift of faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits it.
According to Lutheran understanding, God justifies sinners in faith alone (sola fide). In faith they place their trust wholly in their Creator and Redeemer and thus live in communion with him. God himself effects faith as he brings forth such trust by his creative word. Because God's act is a new creation, it affects all dimensions of the person and leads to a life in hope and love. In the doctrine of "justification by faith alone," a distinction but not a separation is made between justification itself and the renewal of one's way of life that necessarily follows from justification and without which faith does not exist. Thereby the basis is indicated from which the renewal of life proceeds, for it comes forth from the love of God imparted to the person in justification. Justification and renewal are joined in Christ, who is present in faith.
The Catholic understanding also sees faith as fundamental in justification. For without faith, no justification can take place. Persons are justified through baptism as hearers of the word and believers in it. The justification of sinners is forgiveness of sins and being made righteous by justifying grace, which makes us children of God. In justification the righteous receive from Christ faith, hope, and love and are thereby taken into communion with him. This new personal relation to God is grounded totally on God's graciousness and remains constantly dependent on the salvific and creative working of this gracious God, who remains true to himself, so that one can rely upon him. Thus justifying grace never becomes a human possession to which one could appeal over against God. While Catholic teaching emphasizes the renewal of life by justifying grace, this renewal in faith, hope, and love is always dependent on God's unfathomable grace and contributes nothing to justification about which one could boast before God (Rom 3:27).​


The Justified as Sinner
We confess together that in baptism the Holy Spirit unites one with Christ, justifies, and truly renews the person. But the justified must all through life constantly look to God's unconditional justifying grace. They also are continuously exposed to the power of sin still pressing its attacks (cf. Rom 6:12-14) and are not exempt from a lifelong struggle against the contradiction to God within the selfish desires of the old Adam (cf. Gal 5:16; Rom 7:7-10). The justified also must ask God daily for forgiveness as in the Lord's Prayer (Mt. 6:12; 1 Jn 1:9), are ever again called to conversion and penance, and are ever again granted forgiveness.
Lutherans understand this condition of the Christian as a being "at the same time righteous and sinner." Believers are totally righteous, in that God forgives their sins through Word and Sacrament and grants the righteousness of Christ which they appropriate in faith. In Christ, they are made just before God. Looking at themselves through the law, however, they recognize that they remain also totally sinners. Sin still lives in them (1 Jn 1:8; Rom 7:17,20), for they repeatedly turn to false gods and do not love God with that undivided love which God requires as their Creator (Deut 6:5; Mt 22:36-40 pr.). This contradiction to God is as such truly sin. Nevertheless, the enslaving power of sin is broken on the basis of the merit of Christ. It no longer is a sin that "rules" the Christian for it is itself "ruled" by Christ with whom the justified are bound in faith. In this life, then, Christians can in part lead a just life. Despite sin, the Christian is no longer separated from God, because in the daily return to baptism, the person who has been born anew by baptism and the Holy Spirit has this sin forgiven. Thus this sin no longer brings damnation and eternal death. Thus, when Lutherans say that justified persons are also sinners and that their opposition to God is truly sin, they do not deny that, despite this sin, they are not separated from God and that this sin is a "ruled" sin. In these affirmations, they are in agreement with
Catholics, despite the difference in understanding sin in the justified. Catholics hold that the grace of Jesus Christ takes away all that is sin "in the proper sense" and that is "worthy of damnation" (Rom 8:1).There does, however, remain in the person an inclination (concupiscence) which comes from sin and presses toward sin. Since, according to Catholic conviction, human sins always involve a personal element and since this element is lacking in this inclination, Catholics do not see this inclination as sin in an authentic sense. They do not thereby deny that this inclination does not correspond to God's original design for humanity and that it is objectively in contradiction to God and remains one's enemy in lifelong struggle. Grateful for deliverance by Christ, they underscore that this inclination in contradiction to God does not merit the punishment of eternal death and does not separate the justified person from God. But when individuals voluntarily separate themselves from God, it is not enough to return to observing the commandments, for they must receive pardon and peace in the Sacrament of Reconciliation through the word of forgiveness imparted to them in virtue of God's reconciling work in Christ.​

(ref: Joint Decalaration on Justification)​

Yours in Christ.​
 
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(ref: Joint Decalaration on Justification)​


Yours in Christ.​
JDDJ is a joke ask the Missouri synod....
JDDJ does not settle the major disagreement between Lutheran and RC on justification.

Correspondingly, JDDJ fails to define clearly the word grace.
Happy to use the term “justification by grace,” the document
does not resolve the classic question whether such grace is God’s undeserved favor (Lutheran) or whether it is a spiritual power poured or “infused” into the soul that enables one to love Godand merit salvation (Roman Catholic).
Rome’s view of grace as infused stands at the base of its theology of justification as a process.
Although JDDJ uses the biblical phraseology “through
faith” or “by faith,” at critical points it speaks of justification “in
faith.” This new wording is ambiguous and allows for the Roman Catholic idea of infused grace. It does not clearly state that faith’s role in justification is exclusively to receive Christ’s benefits given to sinners by God in His grace. Therefore, it fails to make clear that the cause of justification is God’s saving work in Christ, not ourselves or anything in us.
JDDJ contains an expression of the Lutheran position that
original sin, which remains after baptism, is really sin. It also
includes the Roman Catholic view that original sin is eradicated
by baptism, and that the desire to sin that remains after baptism
is not really sin. JDDJ leaves this historic disagreement, like other disagreements mentioned above, unresolved.
 
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CCC 1996 - Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 1996
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect1chpt3art2.htm
 
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Justification can be summed up in two words: Divine Sonship.

We are adopted sons in the Father, and the Father is fathering children. If I were two years old and still loading my diapers that would be OK. However, if I were 20 years old and still loading my diapers that would be bad. We are expected to grow. Justification is not a one time juridical event, but rather it is an ongoing dynamic process. This is a key difference between the Catholic and protestant understanding of justification. But, this IS by Grace Alone.

When Paul speaks of works of the law he means works of the Torah. (As you know, the Hebrew word for "Law" is "Torah".) If you read "Torah" whenever you see "Law", things will look a whole lot different and become a much clearer. We agree, we are not saved by works of the Torah. However, we are required to do what ever works Christ commanded us to do.

Authentic Faith is, as Paul says, "Faith working through love". And we can only do this by
Grace Alone
:liturgy:

...hey, that was pretty good
 
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CCC 1996 - Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.
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Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 1996
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect1chpt3art2.htm
You make your doctrines seem so simple...:p , what about all that is attached to getting said grace?
 
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IgnatiusofAntioch said:
I think you are rather over simplfying the issue and this makes the differences appear larger than they are. The actual differences are not as great as you imagine.

The OP makes absolutely no value-judgments concerning justification, and certainly doesn't pretend to evaluate the degree of similarity and difference between the Catholic and Protestant doctrines of justification.

Rather, it attempts to delineate the differences where they exist.

Of course, we can together agree justification is by grace, through faith, and comes about through the person of Jesus Christ according to the will of the Father and the power of the Holy Spirit. And that, truly, is the important thing.

But I don't see the value in obscuring soteriological differences, especially when I'm trying to precisely lay them out so we can have more effective dialog.

IgnatiusofAntioch said:
We confess together that all persons depend completely on the saving grace of God for their salvation. The freedom they possess in relation to persons and the things of this world is no freedom in relation to salvation, for as sinners they stand under God's judgment and are incapable of turning by themselves to God to seek deliverance, of meriting their justification before God, or of attaining salvation by their own abilities. Justification takes place solely by God's grace.

True, we both agree on this. And if you look carefully at the phrasing in my post, you'll see that I rightly credit the Catholic Church's doctrine with understanding meritorious works-righteousness as an extension of God's grace to his children. It is because of God's grace, says the Catholic Church, that he sees our works as meriting additional righteousness.

Yet nothing the Joint Declaration says changes the fundamental differences between forensic and process justification, between imputed and infused righteousness, or between the doctrine of sola fide and the doctrine of meritorious works.
 
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We are justified by recieving the Spirit of the Lord in us at baptism where all our sins are washed away. There are 2 parts of Sin.

The willful disobedience towards the will of God.
And the punishment that goes along with it.

Through the Holy Spirit cleaning us and renewing us in Baptism all of our willful disobediences towards God are washed away, but the punishment that goes along with it stays with us. We are then justified before the Lord because we have no disobedience seperating us from him.

I think some protestants feel the same way through their "declaration of faith" as Catholics do through the Christ given sacarment of Baptism. I think the real difference between the two is can you lose this Justification?
 
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JDDJ is a joke ask the Missouri synod....
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Arguments from appeal to ridicule or mockery attacks are a well know fallacy. Description of Appeal to Ridicule


The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument." This line of "reasoning" has the following form:
  1. X, which is some form of ridicule is presented (typically directed at the claim).
  2. Therefore claim C is false.
This is especially clear in the following example: "1+1=2!" "Ha, one plus one equals two is a joke!"

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because mocking a claim does not show that it is false.

This approach approach and is usually used as the last resort of one who have no substantial evidence for their point of view.

One should avoid logical fallacies in discussions, as it does not positively contribute to the discussion. A better approach is to select a particular point that you disagree with and present a substantive discussion.


Yours in Christ.
 
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We are adopted sons in the Father, and the Father is fathering children. If I were two years old and still loading my diapers that would be OK. However, if I were 20 years old and still loading my diapers that would be bad. We are expected to grow. Justification is not a one time juridical event, but rather it is an ongoing dynamic process. This is a key difference between the Catholic and protestant understanding of justification. But, this IS by Grace Alone.

You sound like Scott Hahn. :thumbsup:

I take the Catholic Church at its word when it says that justification is through grace alone, since the works of the adopted sinner are only regarded as meritorious because God wants to give us the opportunity to cooperate with him in the process of growing as his child. I tried to make that much clear in the OP.

I also very much agree with Mother Church that the Protestants have too often emphasized the courtroom metaphors from Scriptures in lieu of the familial metaphors. Adoption is much more important than we have made it out to be.

But I fail to see how viewing justification as a process, one in which the person contributes, is necessarily implied by divine sonship.

Please take heed; I am not saying that we are not to grow as Christians. As a Lutheran of the 'New Finnish Interpretation,' I have a very high view of sanctification and view it in almost the same light of what the Orthodox call theosis. Sanctification is a process that happens over the course of the believer's life, where they grow in their relationship with God increase in faith, hope, and especially love. And, eventually, this process will end in their glorification at the resurrection and their full union with God.

But the Catholic Church, in its view that this process is justification, submits that there is no declaration of righteousness that happens when this process begins and that Christ's righteousness is not in any way credited to the adopted sinner.

And moreover, while I understand full and well that Catholics understand the supposedly meritorious works as an opportunity afforded to his children by God in his grace, and that such works are not done out of the demands of the law but out of the all-important growing in love spurred on by our adoption by our Father :
1. I fail to see this anywhere in Scripture or the traditions of the fathers.
2. This seems to place the burden for justification on the sinner in such a way that they remain under the law- such that their sins do not point them back to their forgiving Father, but rather focus their hearts and minds on the possible results of their failure to become justified, that is, punishment in hell or suffering in purgatory.
 
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You sound like Scott Hahn. :thumbsup:

I take the Catholic Church at its word when it says that justification is through grace alone, since the works of the adopted sinner are only regarded as meritorious because God wants to give us the opportunity to cooperate with him in the process of growing as his child. I tried to make that much clear in the OP.

I also very much agree with Mother Church that the Protestants have too often emphasized the courtroom metaphors from Scriptures in lieu of the familial metaphors. Adoption is much more important than we have made it out to be.

But I fail to see how viewing justification as a process, one in which the person contributes, is necessarily implied by divine sonship.

Please take heed; I am not saying that we are not to grow as Christians. As a Lutheran of the 'New Finnish Interpretation,' I have a very high view of sanctification and view it in almost the same light of what the Orthodox call theosis. Sanctification is a process that happens over the course of the believer's life, where they grow in their relationship with God increase in faith, hope, and especially love. And, eventually, this process will end in their glorification at the resurrection and their full union with God.

But the Catholic Church, in its view that this process is justification, submits that there is no declaration of righteousness that happens when this process begins and that Christ's righteousness is not in any way credited to the adopted sinner.

And moreover, while I understand full and well that Catholics understand the supposedly meritorious works as an opportunity afforded to his children by God in his grace, and that such works are not done out of the demands of the law but out of the all-important growing in love spurred on by our adoption by our Father :
1. I fail to see this anywhere in Scripture or the traditions of the fathers.
2. This seems to place the burden for justification on the sinner in such a way that they remain under the law- such that their sins do not point them back to their forgiving Father, but rather focus their hearts and minds on the possible results of their failure to become justified, that is, punishment in hell or suffering in purgatory.

Justification in itself isn't a process but salvation is.... You could declare yourself justified but are you really justified? Only God can say "I declare you to be righteous before me." We have faith to understand the hope we have been justified through God's grace... but if we continue to give into sin how can we say that we are Justified before the Lord. Leave Justification up for God to decided and just live a good Christian life praising God for everything.

Just as Hebrews 10:26 says "if we deliberatly sin we forfit Christ's sacrifice."
 
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While the Catholic Church does claim to teach grace alone, they add works of grace to grace and so their definition of grace is wider. It is a case where two say the same words and mean two different things.


Rom 15:15-16 ESV
(15)
But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God
(16) to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

For instance here we see a work of grace. To be a minister. Catholics see this as a source of salvation, the sacrament of orders. Protestants see it as a gift flowing from his grace and ministry can certainly be a part of one's sanctification but not of his justification.

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