Catholic University hosts transgender and drag queen book display for children

[rturner76]

They have a right to live as they choose, yes, but simply judging their actions as wrong or sinful isn’t hateful or bigoted. By their fruits ye shall know them.

That does make sense. I guess one thing I try to live by is to keep my own side of the street clean. I do realize that we are to be ambassadors of God's will on Earth and I certainly agree that LGBTQ activities are sinful, that is why I don't do any of that. I think I end up defending them because I'm sure that most or at least many of them have been conflicted, shameful, outcast, or otherwise felt defective. The brain is a beautiful but complex computer. I feel for them because I don't think they were taught to be that way but something in their brain is not wired like a "normal" person's brain. It's a touchy subject and I just feel like these people are already judged harshly and feel their own sense of shame and I don't want to add to that.

I am also a big advocate for the separation of church and state, meaning I have my set of morals and values based mostly on my religion in terms of what is sinful. Others don't believe what I believe in terms of morality. If there is some behavior I believe is wrong but said sinful behavior where there is no victim, I respect their right to believe differently when it comes to what is or is not sinful behavior.

I do want to make it clear that for people of our religion, it is wrong. If one cannot help being attracted to the same sex, they are responsible for remaining celibate as we all are called to do when we are not lawfully married. I do remember it saying in the OT that it is sinful for men to dress as women and vice versa I'm sure that includes gender reassignment surgery though at the time it wasn't even possible.

 

[Belk]

You gratuitously posted an unsupported opinion. What is gratuitously proposed may just as gratuitously rejected.

Uh huh. Feel free to show us all the prostitutes who have been arrested when they were not paid. Unsupported opinion my left foot.

Please stop hitting on me with your uniformed and childish posts.

I'm not hitting on you. Yuck. Come on back when you have anything beyond vitriol.

 

[pgp_protector]

Dang, this is in my state.

Books should come with warning labels. George Orwell's "1984" is one of my favorite sci-fi books, which I have read at age 13, so here is a hypothetical warning label for "1984", though I would rate it 13+. Transgender and sexual books should have warning labels, and should be placed behind a counter manned by librarians, and have an age rating of 16-18+ as well, depending on age of consent in the local area.

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One of the greatest ways to get kids to read something is to tell them they can't read it.

 

[rturner76]

You don't find introducing children to adult themed situations a problem?

I think children learn "adult-themed situations" from their peers. I know I did, playing games like doctor and hid and go get it etc. What I didn't learn from them were facts. I don't see a problem with it as long as they are not showing them graphic sex scenes. Many parents avoid this topic with their children. I think kids should be educated in all areas of life but I do think parents should be made aware of the materials being taught beforehand. They should be given the option to allow their kid to miss that chapter of health or PE or whatever class they are teaching it from.

 

[rturner76]

There's a growing number of ex gender confused people sueing their doctors. It's not victimless. You choose to ignore the victims.

There are "victims" in every surgical procedure. I'm sure the "Victims" signed a waiver giving the doctor permission and I would doubt many doctors pressure their patients to do it because doctors usually don't recommend any surgery that isn't necessary. It's elective surgery and they elected to do it and most likely saught out a doctor that was willing. What often happens is that they mistakenly think that the surgery is going to cure their depression and feelings of not fitting in and it doesn't so they want to sue. I haven't checked the statistics but my feeling about it is that it is a very small percentage that feel like they were somehow tricked into it pluse the free money factor takes a lot of people to court, just for a payday.

 

[o_mlly]

Uh huh. Feel free to show us all the prostitutes who have been arrested when they were not paid. Unsupported opinion my left foot.

I'm not hitting on you. Yuck. Come on back when you have anything beyond vitriol.

2nd request. Please stop hitting on me with your uniformed and childish posts.

 

[o_mlly]

I certainly agree that LGBTQ activities are sinful, ...

Such a judgment would be beyond everyone's competence except God and the sinners themselves.

However, we can and do judge such sex acts as intrinsically, objectively and gravely evil. However, the culpability for their act is a different matter and only known to God and perhaps the sinners -- the act must be freely chosen, with full knowledge. These last two conditions are subjective.

 

[Belk]

2nd request. Please stop hitting on me with your uniformed and childish posts.

Feel free to use the tools the forum provides you. It is not incumbent upon me to fulfill your silly demands.

 

[RileyG]

That does make sense. I guess one thing I try to live by is to keep my own side of the street clean. I do realize that we are to be ambassadors of God's will on Earth and I certainly agree that LGBTQ activities are sinful, that is why I don't do any of that. I think I end up defending them because I'm sure that most or at least many of them have been conflicted, shameful, outcast, or otherwise defective. The brain is a beautiful but complex computer. I feel for them because I don't think they were taught to be that way but something in their brain is not wired like a "normal" person's brain. It's a touchy subject and I just feel like these people are already judged harshly and feel their own sense of shame and I don't want to add to that.

I am also a big advocate for the separation of church and state, meaning I have my set of morals and values based mostly on my religion in terms of what is sinful. Others don't believe what I believe in terms of morality. If there is some behavior I believe is wrong but said sinful behavior where there is no victim, I respect their right to believe differently when it comes to what is or is not sinful behavior.

I do want to make it clear that for people of our religion, it is wrong. If one cannot help being attracted to the same sex, they are responsible to remain celibate as we all are called to do when we are not lawfully married. I do remember it saying in the OT that it is sinful for men to dress as women and visa versa I'm sure that includes gender reassignment surgery though at the time it wasn't even possible.

Well said.

 

[rturner76]

Such a judgment would be beyond everyone's competence except God and the sinners themselves.

However, we can and do judge such sex acts as intrinsically, objectively and gravely evil. However, the culpability for their act is a different matter and only known to God and perhaps the sinners -- the act must be freely chosen, with full knowledge. These last two conditions are subjective.

I'm not calling them sinners specifically or condemning them even slightly. I do however see it as sinful and as such, I choose not to participate in that behavior. I do acknowledge that others don't live by my morality and they have a right to without being discriminated against or otherwise ostracized. Even when it comes to the church, I think it is the best place for people stuck in sin. I don't think the church should throw them out or alienate them. It's not for but I wasn't born with same-sex attraction and I'm comfortable with my gender. I understand that others do have that attraction or are not comfortable with being the gender that they were born.

Even within my own personal judgment of right and wrong, I do not try to nor wish for their condemnation. Also, I don't see the sin as any more grave than fornication or adultery. They are sexual sins and while I don't believe it is sinful to have same-sex attraction, I do agree with the church finding same-sex sex a sin. The difference in society is that in these relationships that are consentual, there is no victim so no crime to answer for. In the past it has been illegal and I don't wish for a return to that.

 

[AlexB23]

One of the greatest ways to get kids to read something is to tell them they can't read it.

That is sadly true. Same reason why kids drink alcohol under 21 in the US, cos the minimum age limit is there, so I do see your point. At least keep the adult books in a shelf behind the librarian's counter, so kids do not have to see some of those books.

 

[BCP1928]

Describing the legislative process doesn't answer the question: "Why some sex acts are illegal and not others?

The same circular reasoning error: Some sex acts are illegal because they are illegal.

We've been over this enough times to conclude that you really do not know why.

I'm not sure where you are trying to get to here. Some sex acts are illegal and some are not, and it changes over time. I presume it reflects the moral opinions of the majority of the citizens of the time or the opinions of the courts. As to why people feel that some sex acts are moral and others are not, there are a variety of religious and secular opinions on the subject. I'm sure you have your own.

 

[Pommer]

does make sense. I guess one thing I try to live by is to keep my own side of the street clean. I do realize that we are to be ambassadors of God's will on Earth and I certainly agree that LGBTQ activities are sinful, that is why I don't do any of that. I think I end up defending them because I'm sure that most or at least many of them have been conflicted, shameful, outcast, or otherwise felt defective. The brain is a beautiful but complex computer. I feel for them because I don't think they were taught to be that way but something in their brain is not wired like a "normal" person's brain. It's a touchy subject and I just feel like these people are already judged harshly and feel their own sense of shame and I don't want to add to that.

I’ve often wondered what my life would have been like if a had had a normally functioning brain and always end up thanking the gods that I haven’t.

A “normal life” wastes so much talent that we could have been on Mars 300 years ago.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I think children learn "adult-themed situations" from their peers. I know I did, playing games like doctor and hid and go get it etc. What I didn't learn from them were facts. I don't see a problem with it as long as they are not showing them graphic sex scenes. Many parents avoid this topic with their children. I think kids should be educated in all areas of life but I do think parents should be made aware of the materials being taught beforehand. They should be given the option to allow their kid to miss that chapter of health or PE or whatever class they are teaching it from.

Like I said earlier, they talk about drugs too, but nobody forms a 'Drug Club' to "celebrate" it. That's my issue. But, I agree that they should be able to opt out of the class if it's offensive.

 

[BCP1928]

Like I said earlier, they talk about drugs too, but nobody forms a 'Drug Club' to "celebrate" it.

Because drugs are illegal. LGBT is not.

That's my issue. But, I agree that they should be able to opt out of the class if it's offensive.

Sure, but isn't that an admission of weakness? I thought that the Gospel of Christ was strong enough to stand against evil. Apparently it isn't even strong enough to allow kids to learn facts about how their schoolmates conduct their sex lives without being corrupted.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Because drugs are illegal. LGBT is not.

Sure, but isn't that an admission of weakness? I thought that the Gospel of Christ was strong enough to stand against evil. Apparently it isn't even strong enough to allow kids to learn facts about how their schoolmates conduct their sex lives without being corrupted.

Exposing children to adult porn is illegal, but that doesn't stop some schools from doing it:

Protesters shut down Dearborn school board meeting over LGBTQ books

Dearborn Police Chief arrived at the meeting to help calm things down.

www.freep.com

From that article: "Some of those books are completely inappropriate for our children to read," Al-Qazwini said. "Some of those books promote pornography."

If a student tried to evangelize during a L-Q event, they would be suspended. Not surprised by that.

 

[BCP1928]

Exposing children to adult porn is illegal, but that doesn't stop some schools from doing it:

Protesters shut down Dearborn school board meeting over LGBTQ books

Dearborn Police Chief arrived at the meeting to help calm things down.

www.freep.com

From that article: "Some of those books are completely inappropriate for our children to read," Al-Qazwini said. "Some of those books promote pornography."

If a student tried to evangelize during a L-Q event, they would be suspended. Not surprised by that.

What adult porn (whatever that is) were the kids exposed to?

 

[RileyG]

What adult porn (whatever that is) were the kids exposed to?

It appears the books were inappropriate for children per the article.

 

[Chrystal-J]

What adult porn (whatever that is) were the kids exposed to?

They were very graphic. But, I can't post them here because of the XXX content. Ironic some think it's ok for school children.

 

[BCP1928]

They were very graphic. But, I can't post them here because of the XXX content. Ironic some think it's ok for school children.

You may be right; I haven't seen them. But the standards of a Christian website are hardly reflective of what is generally excepted as "porn."
This site even blocks technically correct medical terms for various aspects of human sexuality.