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catholic confirmation question
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-that's the beauty of it. You don't get to say what is and what is not true. God didn't ask your permission to build the Church or to preach the truth. I can turn your own Bible against you and so can God. You don't have to agree in order for it to be true. The truth is a double-edged sword.
-and, if you bothered to read what I presented that the Church teaches, you would not have been as uniformed in order to say this: "There are saved people all over the world who don't belong to the RCC and they're not going to hell just because they don't belong to the RCC. I guess that's why we have Protestants"
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I wanted to add also, that you can be baptized, confirmed, recieved the sacraments of communion and reconciliation, holy orders, marriage if your spouse died before you received holy orders, the sacrament of the sick....
....and still go to hell.
....and still go to hell.
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-it is beautiful. I keep repeating that, I don't live a world where everybody and their dog can assert an opinion and it is true or that God didn't reveal one way or the other. I don't live in a world where fallible mankind is equal to infallible Scriptures.
My rigteous indignation has died down a bit, I hate it when people whine about being baptized or confirmed. If at the very least, it won't harm you and if you truly believe that you are saved after you are born again by believing, than it is of no import.
So then, anything in particular you want to show me in the Scriptures that denounces my beliefs?
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Theresa said:
while you may not think scripture is falliable, there is at least one case (and im sure there are several more) in which it is
i was going to post a link to my post about the paradox of eden, but i think i see that you have already read it and responded to it.
you may not like me "whining" about being confirmed. but the fact of the matter is that it was done against my will. You say it wont harm me, but it already has. the first 18 years of my life were pretty much a waste, because i was raised to think that god was really that important. I was placing all of my marbles in with something that could not ever be proved. Besides, I want no part of a group that has caused so much pain and suffering. not that they havent done any good, but the first 1500 years of the church was filled with nothing more than bigoted closed minded views, corruption, and explotation of the poor and plenty of that exists to this day.
i dont think that was ever anyones intention.
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-is that all you can see of history? In all the cases you think you know where these things occured, are you positively sure you have the history right? Are you sure everything you've learned of the subjects are unbiased? Or that you've covered all the bases?
Many of the cases that you probably think of were caused by the secular authorities not the Church. Many of the cases were performed by men not in alignment with Church teaching.
You think that Christian history is horrible? How about pagan history, or the history of the Nazis and Marxist? Red China, Communism? Attila the Hun? Pagan Rome? Organized athiesm is way, way worse. That is what I find so funny, it is the greatest irony to me.
I think you would be surprised to know more,( I'm not assuming that you don't, you may or may not), although you may have read up on the subjects and come to that conclusion, or you may be basing your thoughts on what you've heard, or think you know, but it's worth looking into from different sources.
If there is no God, then your confirmation and baptism mean nothing. If there is a God, and you have only baptism and confirmation but no faith, that is useless also, it won't save you. Whether you were baptised or confirmed or had only been raised Christian, you would be saying the same thing.
Some people are angry at the way they were raised for many reasons, irregardless of religion.
It galls you that you can't de-Catholicize yourself, or that the Church says you can't, but you have already done so to a point. You could, I would imagine, write to the Church where your sacraments took place and ask them to have your records stricken, although, if you ever decide to marry, if you have not already, you may need a baptismal certificate if she wants to marry in certain churches.
If there is a God, then you have an indelible mark on your soul. One cannot become unbaptized, unconfirmed, or cease being a priest.
If there is no God, then your name is in a register somewhere and it is of no matter. The largest religous groupings in the States are suprising. It is not Catholic and then Baptist underneath. The largest religious grouping under Catholicism is ex-Catholics. It is very sad.
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I also apologize if I seem a bit "snippy". I have a cold.
Also, I am not offended by anything. It is very rare that I am offended on these forums, even though I may seem so. I like to challenge people. If you think I'm wrong, show me, I'm ready. I'll do the math if it isn't too much work.
Also, I am not offended by anything. It is very rare that I am offended on these forums, even though I may seem so. I like to challenge people. If you think I'm wrong, show me, I'm ready. I'll do the math if it isn't too much work.
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God puts the mark on your soul using a man.sweetsoulsong said:I find that kind of scary...do our souls not belong to God, yet one can make a mark that will last all of eternity?
Someone tell me I'm taking this the wrong way.
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"But the question is worth a longer look, for a profound principle is involved-God's plan of using men to convey his gifts to men. Life itself is from God, but he uses a human mother and father to give it to us. That, of course, is in the natural order. But it applies to the supernatural as well. His revelation normally comes to men through other men. The whole of our sacramental life is lived within the community which he founded and which he and the Father and the Holy Spirit indwell. By our sins we damage the community, and weaken its power to do the work for which Jesus founded it. The sacrament of Reconciliation undoes the damage and restores our relaiton with our fellow Christians. The men who feel so certain that they must go to God alone for forgiveness, would never know Christ lived, much less dies for them, unless men had told them. It may have been living teachers if they belong to the teaching Church, or the long-dead men who wrote the Bible (to say nothing of the living men who gave it to them and told them what it is.)"
Theology for Beginners - Frank J. Sheed
Theology for Beginners - Frank J. Sheed
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