Catholic church getting rid of 'gay' priests

[benjdm]

"Archbishop Edwin O'Brien, who will oversee the seminary review, recently told the National Catholic Register that "anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations" should not be accepted into seminaries, even if their last gay sexual activity was a decade ago."

http://www.tdn.com/articles/2005/09/17/this_day/news02.txt

Does this mean the catholic church admits homosexuality is a natural inclination and not a choice ? (Natural in this case meaning part of a person's nature.) Otherwise, being celibate could not be considered being homosexual, could it ? The priests in question would have 'chosen' to no longer be a homosexual.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

The Catholic Church recognizes that homosexual attraction is not a choice.

 

[Toboe]

Sound like the salem witch trials to me. I don't get why they think that all gay people are pedophiles.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

Becase if you make moves against homosexuals, people might focus on them rather than on the bishops.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

"Archbishop Edwin O'Brien, who will oversee the seminary review, recently told the National Catholic Register that "anyone who has engaged in homosexual activity, or has strong homosexual inclinations" should not be accepted into seminaries, even if their last gay sexual activity was a decade ago."

http://www.tdn.com/articles/2005/09/17/this_day/news02.txt

Does this mean the catholic church admits homosexuality is a natural inclination and not a choice ? (Natural in this case meaning part of a person's nature.) Otherwise, being celibate could not be considered being homosexual, could it ? The priests in question would have 'chosen' to no longer be a homosexual.

The Church has long condemned homosexuality. Therefore, I regard the refusal to accept homosexuals as being consistent with such a condemnation. There is no doubt that homosexuals can change, but the Church would undoubtedly not wish to seem hypocritical.

 

[fragmentsofdreams]

The Church has long condemned homosexuality. Therefore, I regard the refusal to accept homosexuals as being consistent with such a condemnation. There is no doubt that homosexuals can change, but the Church would undoubtedly not wish to seem hypocritical.

The Catholic Church has been careful to distinguish between having homosexual inclinations and acting on them. Homosexuals are not required to cease to be attracted to the same sex, but rather are called to chastity.

 

[Mereni]

Aren't priests supposed to be celibate? They should be allowed to get rid of priest that is setting a bad example. If he's having sex, he shouldn't be a priest. Let him go be a minister instead. He can do the same job, without the collar. If he's that dedicated to his religion, then the collar doesn't make a difference.

 

[Spinrad]

Heh, the people who believe in Gods are doing strange things? Noooo....

 

[benjdm]

The Catholic Church recognizes that homosexual attraction is not a choice.

Learn something new every day - I didn't know that.

Aren't priests supposed to be celibate? They should be allowed to get rid of priest that is setting a bad example. If he's having sex, he shouldn't be a priest. Let him go be a minister instead. He can do the same job, without the collar. If he's that dedicated to his religion, then the collar doesn't make a difference.

The people in question are celibate.

 

[Brennin]

As well they should. An ecclesiastic engaging in homoeroticism is absolutely antithetical to the Christian ethos (Rom 1:26-27; 1 Cor 6:9-10; 1 Tim 1:9-10) and it has become a major problem in the RCC.

 

[Lifesaver]

Does this mean the catholic church admits homosexuality is a natural inclination and not a choice ? (Natural in this case meaning part of a person's nature.)

Not at all, homosexuality is a moral perversion.
It is not so much of a choice, but rather a vice. That is, a negative habit, a disposition to something that is evil.

One can certainly overcome their habits (if they happen to be bad), or slowly inculcate positive habits in themselves, but you can't really say they ever chose this or that habit of theirs.

Someone who has this distorted inclination should not apply for the priesthood, for what they will encounter there is exactly what leads them to the bad actions this vice leads them to commit.

That is why the Church is, very rightly, taking steps in the direction of prohibiting it, and barring from the priesthood those with this inclination, the very opposite of what had been going in many parts of the world: seminaries actively encouraging homosexuality in their members and restricting the access of those who did not display a positive attitude towards it.

 

[benjdm]

It is not so much of a choice, but rather a vice. That is, a negative habit, a disposition to something that is evil.

Predisposed evil people ? Why would a just God create people predisposed to evil ? There is no free will involved in being born with a disposition. Is it evil when animals are homosexual as well ? I am more confused now.

FWIW, I have no problem with the church banning them, the logic of the belief system behind it just escapes me.

 

[SpokenFor2005]

I still don't understand how this action is going to prevent PEDOPHILIA....

Which is a different issue entirely from being GAY.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Well, someone at the Catholic Church has got their issues backwards. Most Pedophiles, to include priests are themselves heterosexuals. Granted, some homosexuals commit Pedophilia, but the majority belong to the straight folks.

What they need to start doing is turning over the accused pedophiles currently in the priesthood to the police. Once they get that cleaned, then they need to worry about their replacements.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

 

[Lifesaver]

Predisposed evil people ? Why would a just God create people predisposed to evil ? There is no free will involved in being born with a disposition. Is it evil when animals are homosexual as well ? I am more confused now.

A few may be born with such a disposition; just like there are few who have the tendency for alcoholism from birth.
Most acquire it, through years of bad education, effeminacy in behaviour, lack of sexual morality, etc.

In both cases, with the help of God, they may overcome it, even though it may be hard. The first thing one needs to do to overcome is to steer clear of tempting situations; the seminary is a very tempting situation for those who are homosexual; that is why there are so many homosexual seminarians and therefore also priests.

It is true that not all homosexuals are pedophiles or vice-versa, but disorders of the same kind walk together. Does anyone believe it to be a coincidence that we have, nowadays, the appearance of and expansion of so many different bizarre sexual practices and behaviours?
They are all a consequence of the loosening of morality, introduced full scale in the Church, since her doors were wide opened to the world.
Thankfuly, the tide is, very slowly, starting to turn once more to the side of good.

 

[outlaw]

The Church has long condemned homosexuality. Therefore, I regard the refusal to accept homosexuals as being consistent with such a condemnation. There is no doubt that homosexuals can change, but the Church would undoubtedly not wish to seem hypocritical.

No doubt? Can you provide evidence showing conclusively that sexual orientation is changeable as opposed to just changing sexual behavior?

 

[Lifesaver]

Here, a good read on the matter; the thoughts of three American priests:
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/050922

 

[outlaw]

Not at all, homosexuality is a moral perversion.

In your opinion

It is not so much of a choice, but rather a vice. That is, a negative habit, a disposition to something that is evil.

Can you provide evidence that sexual orientation is a “habit”?

That is why the Church is, very rightly, taking steps in the direction of prohibiting it, and barring from the priesthood those with this inclination, the very opposite of what had been going in many parts of the world: seminaries actively encouraging homosexuality in their members and restricting the access of those who did not display a positive attitude towards it.

I can’t wait for you to provide evidence for this bit of nonsense.

 

[outlaw]

I still don't understand how this action is going to prevent PEDOPHILIA....

Which is a different issue entirely from being GAY.

It won’t do anything. It seems to more of a distracting tactic than anything else.

 

[outlaw]

Well, someone at the Catholic Church has got their issues backwards. Most Pedophiles, to include priests are themselves heterosexuals. Granted, some homosexuals commit Pedophilia, but the majority belong to the straight folks.

What they need to start doing is turning over the accused pedophiles currently in the priesthood to the police. Once they get that cleaned, then they need to worry about their replacements.

You are exactly correct.





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