Catechism

[Michelina]

Did you stop reading the bible or do you still read it?

As a Catholic, he cannot stop reading the SS. Reading the SS is encouraged by the Church, contrary to what some liars say.

 

[ZooMom]

Amen. God bless our beloved John Paul.

I also recommend reading the Catechism from front to back. It can be pretty heavy reading at times, but it does have a very important flow. Of course, you can always jump about if there is something specific you want to spot check immediately, and the online Catechism is wonderful for doing that, but to grasp the incredible progression of our faith, you must really begin at the beginning.


Peace be with you!

Sandy

 

[In Christ Forever]

As a Catholic, he cannot stop reading the SS. Reading the SS is encouraged by the Church, contrary to what some liars say.

LOL. There are those around too. I myself avoid that, as that is totally against the Spirit. Judge not lest ye be judged.

psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD [Is] the death of His saints. 16 O LORD, truly I [am] Your servant; I [am] Your servant, the son of Your maidservant; You have loosed my bonds. 17 I will offer to You the sacrifice of thanksgiving, And will call upon the name of the LORD. 18 I will pay my vows to the LORD Now in the presence of all His people, 19 In the courts of the LORD's house, In the midst of you, O Jerusalem. Praise the LORD!

 

[In Christ Forever]

As a Catholic, he cannot stop reading the SS. Reading the SS is encouraged by the Church, contrary to what some liars say.

LOL. There are those around too. Judge not lest ye be judged.

psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD [Is] the death of His saints. 16 O LORD, truly I [am] Your servant; I [am] Your servant, the son of Your maidservant; You have loosed my bonds. 17 I will offer to You the sacrifice of thanksgiving, And will call upon the name of the LORD. 18 I will pay my vows to the LORD Now in the presence of all His people, 19 In the courts of the LORD's house, In the midst of you, O Jerusalem. Praise the LORD!

 

[Asimis]

Did you stop reading the bible or do you still read it? I just started reading the bible last year and still can't put it down. What a BOOK!!!! Praise Jesus.

Yeah I continue to read it but more as how my investigations lead me.

 

[Michelina]

LOL. There are those around too. Judge not lest ye be judged.

This is not about judging. It's about calling a lie a lie, and a liar a liar. God will judge them. But we must be on guard against them, as you were saying in another thread, earlier today. The fact that vicious anti-Catholic bigotry exists is no secret. People shouldn't act as if it doesn't. That too would be "totally against the Spirit", as you say, ICF.

 

[geocajun]

I wish I could sit in on your Confirmation classes, Geo.

I am not sure I could teach with you in the room. I'd always be looking your way for approval
Its the same when my Pastor is there.. I have a difficult time talking right up until he leaves, and then I'm fine

The single individual most responsible for the CCC (other than Pope JP) is Cardinal Schoenborn, who was really the general editor. He and others went over the text with the Holy Father word by word.

What a Pope!

Indeed, awesome Pope! Also, Cardinal Law had alot to do with it, and that meant alot to me, because his research on freemasony played a large part in my finally leaving the lodge.

 

[Asimis]

I have a question over something I noticed while reading the Catechism today. In the Apostle's Creed, it says that Jesus descended to Hell, but this part is missing on the Nicene Creed. It would make more sense if it was the Apostle's Creed that was missing it since it is older and less descriptive than the Nicence Creed, but is it the contrary.

Are there any specific reasons for this?


Thanks in advance,
Asimis

 

[artnalex]

The single individual most responsible for the CCC (other than Pope JP) is Cardinal Schoenborn, who was really the general editor. He and others went over the text with the Holy Father word by word.

Don't forget Fr. John Hardon, too. He was influential, though not as much as those you have already mentioned.

(I just like to give "props" to Fr. Hardon when I can.) God rest his soul.

 

[Michelina]

Don't forget Fr. John Hardon, too. He was influential, though not as much as those you have already mentioned.

(I just like to give "props" to Fr. Hardon when I can.) God rest his soul.

He was a great priest, Art!

The way Pope John Paul approached the Catechism was fantastic. He invited input from thousands, not just from every Bishop in the world but from many others as well. Then, of course, all of the feedback had to be collated and arranged in its proper order. Then the provisional prototype edition was published in French and sent to all the Bishops and to others. Then, the final edition was published in Latin.

For many years, Bishops, priests and orthodox Catholic teachers had been asking for clarifications on many questions about which the post-Conciliar hijackers had sown seeds of confusion. Finally, Silvio Cardinal Oddi spoke up at a Synod of Bishops at which the Pope was personally presiding and asked for a Catechism. The Bishops supported the motion and the Pope directed the work to commence. I consider the CCC to be the greatest gift that God has given us through the ministry of Pope John Paul the Great.

 

[Asimis]

Just bumping to see if anyone knows the answer to my question in this post:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=10576506&postcount=28

Just scroll up it is post #28.

 

[Michelina]

I have a question over something I noticed while reading the Catechism today. In the Apostle's Creed, it says that Jesus descended to Hell, but this part is missing on the Nicene Creed. It would make more sense if it was the Apostle's Creed that was missing it since it is older and less descriptive than the Nicence Creed, but is it the contrary. Are there any specific reasons for this? Thanks in advance, Asimis

The Apostles' Creed is considered by many to be the older Creed. The Council of Nicea didn't address the issue of Our Lord's descent into hell, since they had a lot of really hot topics to address. The Council and the Creed were concerned about a number of Trinitarian and Christological heresies that had arisen and were being promoted. Generally speaking, Counciliar and extraordinary Papal declarations address controversial teaching in order to defend what the Church has always believed and taught.

Here's something to read:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01629a.htm

You can find more here in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Just Google Search "Apostles' Creed":

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen

 

[geocajun]

I have a question over something I noticed while reading the Catechism today. In the Apostle's Creed, it says that Jesus descended to Hell, but this part is missing on the Nicene Creed. It would make more sense if it was the Apostle's Creed that was missing it since it is older and less descriptive than the Nicence Creed, but is it the contrary.

Are there any specific reasons for this?


Thanks in advance,
Asimis

Asimis, the purpose of this statement "He descended into Hell" was to interate that Jesus died a true death.

The Nicene creed iterates that as follows "He suffered, died, and was buried"
Thus the substance of the article is retained, and made more clear.

Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell

632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into "Abraham's bosom":481 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham's bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483

634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfilment. This is the last phase of Jesus' messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ's redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."485 Jesus, "the Author of life", by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds "the keys of Death and Hades", so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."487

Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."488

IN BRIEF

636 By the expression "He descended into hell", the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil "who has the power of death" (Heb 2:14).

637 In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven's gates for the just who had gone before him.

 

[Asimis]

Thanks for the information and links Michelina and also geocajun for the great post.

 

[geocajun]

Asmimis, no problem - keep asking questions here

 

[Dream]

Happy birthday Asimis.

 

[Adammi]

It was risky and I felt like James Bond getting a CCC within 50 yards of a Pentecostal father, but after shakingly blessing myself I got it, and all went smooth!!!!

~Pax

 

[geocajun]

It was risky and I felt like James Bond getting a CCC within 50 yards of a Pentecostal father, but after shakingly blessing myself I got it, and all went smooth!!!!

~Pax

awesome, glad to hear you were able to get it

 

[Adammi]

I started reading it last night. It is awesome!! I am going to read it straight through!!

 

[ZooMom]