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I have been seperated from God for years now and don't know what to do. I suffered from long periods of dark suicidal depression and now I get compulsive blasphemous thoughts. I prayed and prayed for God to show me the way back to him but I can't stop doubting my salvation.

Obviously I am very unhappy so I want to repent and return to God. The problem is, I don't know how to.

I'm afraid my heart has been hardened past the point of repentance.
 

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Keep praying. Get into the Word. Not now and then but daily. If you're not in a church, by all means find one that teaches the Bible. Learning and being surrounded by fellow believers can be very encouraging.

You know where those thoughts are coming from, right? Remember that the enemy is a liar. God loves you and wants you to return to Him. He said that He would never leave you or forsake you.

James 4:7 says: Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Also 2 Corinthians 10:5: casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

And btw Matt, if you were past the point of repentance you wouldn't have even made this post.:hug:

Praying for you. :prayer:
 
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Ditto on CeCe.
You need to put on the Word and put off the world.
To give you a pictorial analogy of your mind.
Take a clear glass put some coffee or cola in it halfway, fill the rest with water.
At the sink turn on the tap and start running water in the glass very slowly, then gradually increase the pressure of the tap.
Before long that dark color begins to get clearer and clearer until all the color is gone.
Your mind is like the glass of color water
The tap water represents the fountain of living waters, God {his Word}
You may only be able to handle a trickle at first but gradually increase the Word in your life. As you continually put on the Word, the darkness of the world will start to dissipate.
Reading is great, and memorizing scripture that you feel applies to your situation will help you tremendously when those thoughts of the world start to creep in.

I had a feeling I should bring up the music aspect to you. After checking your profile I see why.
Before I touch on this I want to give you sort of a precursor to my next statement.
I was involved in the music industry and actually walked away one week before cutting our first album due to the fact that God rescued me out of a very dark hopeless situation. So I do know something about music.

All I want to say is be more selective of the music you listen to. I won’t tell you to listen to only Christian music, although that would be great. But if someone had told me to do that, I would have told them ……………well………………..never mind,………….just be more selective.
Worldly music is a very powerful tool of the adversary, and remember, you are trying to clear up the colored water.
With that said, I would like say, that your potential as a musician and a composer of music has hardly been tapped. You think your good, and you probably are, but you have no idea what heights you will reach once you put God into the equation.
So before you put in the disk and slip on the headphones take a second look at what you’re putting into your mind.

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God Bless
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Thanks for the encouragement,

I'm really glad this forum exists. You've given me a little hope and I'm praying.

Sandman, i was interested in what you were saying about the music. In what way does the devil use music as a tool? I've heard about this before but never believed that music could have such a direct effect on people's minds. Could you explain this further.
Again thanks for the help
God Bless
 
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Matt112 said:
I have been seperated from God for years now and don't know what to do. I suffered from long periods of dark suicidal depression and now I get compulsive blasphemous thoughts. I prayed and prayed for God to show me the way back to him but I can't stop doubting my salvation.

Obviously I am very unhappy so I want to repent and return to God. The problem is, I don't know how to.

I'm afraid my heart has been hardened past the point of repentance.

I have a feeling the thoughts aren't yours, by virtue of two things you mentioned:

1. The thoughts are distasteful to you and are there against your will.

2. They are compulsive.

It will help to check and see if there are any other sins that have remained in you for any period of time that could be openeing a door of access. Even things that seem little. Sometimes this is where the problems with demonic spirits begin, although it is not necessarily the case always-I know a lot of people who have gone through this, and if you read the Reformers of the 1600s, you'll find patterns. Demonic attacks and other types of spiritual warfare often go hand in hand.

If you have engaged in any occultic activity, this needs to be forsaken and renounced.

It's also possible your depression is part of this as well. It will help immensely to spend extra time studying God's word and helpful books-as much alone time as you can right now because you're under special circumstances. Fasting helps a lot. Prayer-constantly. In the words of one former satanist who is now a Christian, "Pray and mean it." Praise is an extremely powerful weapon. We think of it as simply expressing kindly thoughts or gratitude, but in reality it's artillery.

A good book I recommend to people is Precious Remedies Against Satan's Devices by Thomas Brooks, and published lately by Banner of Truth Trust. Tis book will be helpful to you.

Study how Jesus handled it in Matthew 4, and Ephesians 6 is a chapter on the spiritual armor.

Keep us posted! We're here for you.
 
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well kiddo, you and i are kinda in the same boat, only i havent been suicidal

but yes, i understand what youre going through, about not knowing how to return to god and the like...

ive been struggling with depression for a good few years, an eating disorder for even longer... the depression caused me to go out and search for other alternatives to god, i kinda went through the phase where i wanted to do things on my own, i even went against my parents, i didnt like the idea of my life being controlled, so i thought i could do a better job

no in my boat im kinda stuck in the middle of the ocean without any oars...

if ya ever wanna talk about anything, feel free to drop me a line anytime :) id be glad to listen to ya!
 
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your heart is not hardened beyond the point of repentence. Dont and never ever believe that...as CeCe said, u noe where the thoughts are coming from right? yeah. but it happens to me too sometimes..i get compulsive thoughts that u know, i dont want to think but just pop into my head. tell satan to shutup and go away. prayyyyy!
anyway, whatever you do..dont give up..you're not hopeless, because i think (i use think because i dont know God well enough and cant speak for God) i think God has hope in u.
 
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It's just that the problem goes much deeper than just the blasphemous thoughts. I recognise now that these thoughts are from OCD and are not from me as a person. Certain passages in the bible bother me in the way they that once you fall back into a sinful way of life, you can never come back again - and I don't just mean falling in to sin for a short while. I've done things since I was saved that relate to this.

I just hope that if I'm seeking God he won't turn me away.

One of the sins I mean is to do with my girlfriend who isn't a Christian. We went out tougether for a year or so and were touchy-feely but never went all way (as in sex). That changed when I discovered that this was something she wanted and eventually we had sex and kept on having sex. In my heart I knew it was wrong but felt I was past the point of forgiveness anyway. I am still to this day in this relationship and now don't know to get out of this evil web I've made for myself. Of course I love her and don't want to lose her but I don't know what to do.

Have I gone too far?
What should I do?
 
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Matt, don't worry-you are always free to repent and it's great that you want to seek the Lord in all of this. That is a very healthy sign. Whenever there is a desire to do so, it is always from the Lord. But now satan will try to keep you snared so your heart will harden, so you will feel discouraged, and so you'll eventually fall away from God altogether-this has the fingerprints of satanic activity written all over it.

When the Bible talks about a permanent condition, it is not talking about backsliding. There is a huge differnce between falling because of a moment of spiritual weakness, and making a solid determination to continue in sin. You want to repent-that's the heart of it. And sexual activity outside of marriage is one thing that can open you up for demonic oppression-something the psychology world is clueless about.

To help ward off satan's tactics, it helps to remember that everything written in the Bible, even the warnings, are there as goads to encourage you in godliness. Whenever the devil presents any scripture in a way that keeps you from repentance (i.e., it's too late for you, you can't repent, this is written for God's people and you're not one of them, you've committed the unpardonable sin, any of the thousands of lies he tells routinely...) that isn't at all a holy interpretation of scripture that he's suggesting to you. Again, scripture is a goad, not a wall.

satan will twist scripture, and tell you 99% truth as a vehicle to send you a 1% lie. Any deception, any whatsover, even.000009%, is less than the truth. And anything less than the truth isn't the truth. satan is always hiding something. So don't listen to him. Any desire to seek God is always and every time from the Lord. What will eventually bar you, however, and harden your heart so the seed will not take root in the soil, is unconfessed sin, continued sin, and prompts from the Holy Spirit that have been disregarded. If you haven't confessed it to God, please do so and do it any time you commit any sin at all, because there is a promise that God will forgive and cleanse if you confess and trust Him to do so. At any cost, it's really important to get rid of the sin.

Matthew 4 is a great chapter to see how satan operates, and how Jesus dealt with satanic interpretations of scripture. Study, pray, praise, and fast-ask God to show you the truth and then put it aside as a done deal-watch expectantly for your answer. If you ask in faith and believe, God will absolutely show you:

James 1:5-6

1:5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1:6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.


But being unequally yoked is at the heart of the problem now-you have a girlfriend who isn't seeking Christ and even led you into this situation-I think the oppression you're expereincing is a clear sign from God that He's taking this very seriously and wants you to as well. I know you don't want to lose your girlfriend. But if she's standing between you and the Lord, one of two things is going to happen. Either this will divide you and the Lord, potentially permanently, or God will do something about the relationship.

It's always more painful when God intervenes than when we cut it off ourselves. Your girlfriend may tell you whatever you need her to in order to keep the relationship-I really think you need to let it go. It's painful, but it will be even moreso if you don't. You can't afford to lose your God.

2 Corinthians 6:14 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Matthew 5:27-30

5:27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

5:28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

5:29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.


I wish it were easy, but it isn't. The only way out of this is obedience to God.

You may want to set up some kind of support system, too, because you may be tempted to keep the realtionship if you don't tell a pastor or someone you know and who is trustworthy-someone who will hold you accountable. Also you'll need some friends or family or people who will fill a lot of the time you'd normally spend with your girlfriend so you won't think about it as much or go back on your commitment to the Lord.

I'm really sorry for your suffering. I truly am. I know it isn't easy. But, this is the easiest way. If you stay with this situation, it will be very hard to bear later.

Blessings,
Whitehorse
 
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I stayed up all night last night praying for God to give me "Godly sorrrow" over my sins and to help me to turn away from evil. He answered my first prayer and now I am saddened in the wretchedness of my condition. I am now trying to get rid of all the sin of my life. I fell into greed and downloaded a lot of pirated software to satisify my self. I deleted in all these files today.

I keep on praying to God to help me hate evil as he does and help me resist the devil.

Please pray that I will not fall. I thank you all, especially Whitehorse, for without your encouragement I might of lost all hope.

May God bless you for helping me
 
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Hi,
I just wanted to encourage you to keep seeking God and not give up hope. It does not surprise me that you cannot repent. None of us can find God or feel godly sorrow for sin unless His Holy Spirit works in our heart. He doesn't expect us to find our way back to Him when we fall. What I believe He does expect is for us to pray to Him, realizing that we are sinners who are unworthy of His love, but also realizing that He loves us immensely in spite of our sin. If you are a true child of God, if you have truly been born again, you can definitely return to God. You were no more worthy in His eyes before He saved you than you are now. My point is that it's not how worthy we are or what we do or do not do that is the major issue; the major issue is that God made a way for our complete forgiveness and victory over sin when He died and rose again. Trust Him; that is what He wants. Don't look within yourself, but look to Him and beg Him to help you in every area where you struggle. I am saying a prayer for you as I type this.
 
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Thank you all for the encouragement.

Whitehorse:

What else can do to ward off the devil's tactics? Now that you have mentioned them I see them in action. He told me I was hopeless, that I should kill myself, that God is a Liar, God hates sinners and that there is no hope for my soul.

All I ask is for you to pray for me to God to help me resist the devil and to continue seeking him.

I feel that God has comforted me a few times and he told me encouraging things like "Who ever has loved another person has stared in the face of God.". He told me I should love my friends and everybody and not ever hate them because of their sins. He also told me I was not hopeless and I could see a bright future for me in Christ.

Please just pray for me not to give in to all the evil thoughts.

This forum is a blessing.
 
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I want to give you some different advice from most of what I see here. First, please know that your salvation doesn't depend on what YOU do, it depends on what Christ has already done. We're called to a life of REST, not of struggle.
Christ said "those that come to me, I will in no wise cast out."

You have come to Him, and yet you doubt He'll receive you. So basically you have a mixed up notion about the faithfulness of Christ to be your Savior and to keep you as His own. This is your problem, not your lack of repentence. When you see who you are in Christ, you will fall down on your knees in praise and thanksgiving and all this junk will pass away. But you really do need to put your faith in Christ ahead of your girlfriend. Tell her you have some spiritual issues to work out and that you need to stop seeing her for awhile. And certainly no more sexual sin.

I also want you to go out and buy a copy of Grace Walk by Steve McVey. His other books are good too, but this one is the first you should read.
What you need, my friend, is solid grounding in your faith and deliverance from your present feelings-based misery.
 
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Dear Matt112,
Why are you having such a hard time believing in your salvation and doubts. God said never doubt him, he will always be right there with you. I may only be 14 years of age but I know what I'm talking about. If you want to repent forget about all those evil things. The Devil seems to be taking you over. Don't let that happen. Be encourage by the words that come from the forum. We are all here to help you and if you need anymore guidence from me just send and e-mail. Even send an e-mail to me just to see how I may be doing or if I need some encouragement.
God Bless You, littlebritches71435
 
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:angel: Hello! It isn't exactly posted so I'll ask: Have you accepted Jesus? because if you truly have then you shouldn't doubt your salvation! It's just the Devil that is having you think that way! If you or anyone else ever want to talk you can always pm me! I would love to talk with you! :angel:

Here are a couple of things you might like to see:

:angel:www.theinterviewwithgod.com & www.pathways-to-peace.com ! :angel:
 
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Matt112 said:
Thank you all for the encouragement.

Whitehorse:

What else can do to ward off the devil's tactics? Now that you have mentioned them I see them in action. He told me I was hopeless, that I should kill myself, that God is a Liar, God hates sinners and that there is no hope for my soul.

Hi, Matt! Yep-that's what the devil will hope you'll do. Your prayers are very godly, and never is your soul safer than when God reveals His thoughts to you (as He must be doing, given what you've mentioned about your meditations and convictions). You seem to have very godly prayers and a willing heart; you're in good shape. One thing I do is keep a journal of all the devil's deceptions, and I write the specific nature of the attack and verses that counter them. If he tells you to kill yourself, refer him to these verses:

I corinthians 3:163:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

3:17If any man defile F9 the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


(The numbers intermixed in the verse are footnotes from crosswalk.com if you want to use it.)

Also, here's how Jesus handled this very same temptation: Matthew 4:5-74:5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

4:6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

4:7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt F7 the Lord thy God.


When he tells you you're hopeless, you can always point out to him that he must think you're worth bothering with. He doesn't attack people he doen't need to attack. Look at how godly your prayers are!

But after you tell him this, stay aware. He will try to create imbalance anywhere he can in your life, and the thing to pay most careful attention to is this: he can use your righteousness as a platform against you, not just sin. He does it by twisting your righteousness into an application, without your knowledge, that is ungodly, or gradually transforming it into another desire.

If you have great faith, he will try to set it off balance into presumption. If you are cautious about sin, he will try to turn it into self-righteousness. If you're guarding carefully against the flesh, he will try to take you too far in self-denial, even to the point where he can tell you God has placed a test before you: what do you love more: your God, or your food, for example? He did this to John Bunyan, author of The Pilgrim's Progress. [Bunyan's account is very conforting to read under assault. The account is called Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners, and you may be able to read it online. If not, it is in the Collective Works of John Bunyan published by Banner of Truth Trust. If your library or a Christian college library doesn't have it or access to it, you may be able to ask them to order it. If not, it's available directly from the publisher. It's in volume one-a really terrific read. The Pilgrim's Progress is also an allegory about Bunyan's quest for salvation. Good reading also.]

If satan presses you hard enough, he may tell you God is calling you to kill yourself to prove to him that you're so worthy you'd even starve yourself to death if need be. You're so good at denying youself that if you eat that food, you're proving you love your food more than God. He didn't go this far with Bunyan, but there are other accounts where satan has used this tactic. Trying to cover a terrible deed in righteous gilding, knowing the saint doesn't understand the significance of it, and hoping he will commit a deadly act out of a desire to be fully committed to God.

If you love to encourage the saints, he'll try to get you to neglect your family and destroy God's established means for support and godly comfort. Pastors often fall into this temptation.

If you love to study God's word, first satan will try to hinder you. When you become even more involved in it, he will try to keep you from using your knowledge to reach others, which in its most advanced state will cause spiritual death. God means for us to use all our knowledge talents and gifts proactively. [See parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14-28]

If you do well, he will tempt you to pride. If you experience hardship, he will tempt you to discouragement-a paralyzing condition. The answer to all fo this is the shield of faith, but it's important not to neglect the rest of the armor in Ephesians 6, because the shield can get knocked out of our hands sometimes and we need the rest of the armor to build faith again and recover the shield.

One of the biggest things to guard against, too, is that satan will try to get you to commit acts of which you go not know the spiritual significance. Acts that can lead to spiritual death, but you don't know you're commiting anything heinous. In fact, you can pray for things you think are righteous, but in fact it's the opposite. The angel of light, satan appears as. A counterfeit of the Holy Spirit. Test all the spirits that talk to you; assume none are holy even of the words seem to be. Satan will use 99% truth if it will get you to trust him enough to buy the one percent lie. This is why prayer and meditation on the scriptures is ever so important. Also, The best Bible translation IMO is the King James, and some verses have key differences from the NIV that change the whole way we perceive a verse, but lexicons are good tools to help define what the best renderings are.

James 1 is a very good chapter for spiritual warfare, and one thing it tells us to do is to make sure we ask, with faith, for wisdom: If you ask God for wisdom to keep you from unwitting high crimes and then trust that He will, you will enjoy the sweetest and most reassuring fellowship with God. He often will keep you from stepping in a snare and then show you why He kept you from it-what the significance was. You'll lo-o-o-o-ove this fellowship because God will reveal secret and hidden things to you.

James 1:2-8



2*My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; F1 3*Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4*But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5*If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6*But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7*For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8*A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.



Whatever gifts you have, now is the time to watch them and make sure you're using them with pinpoint precision.

The devil will also try to rob you of gifts, both spiritual and material, to create in you enough discouragement that you will seek to comfort yourself with fleshly things and imbalances: too much or too little of anything.

Seek in every moment of the day to build the kingdom of God-it will keep your faith high and it will do what God requires in order to meet your needs and give you the desires of your heat. But if you seek the temporal needs first, God will spoil it and it will cause dissention between you and God. Then you may seek to comfort yourself with temporal things that will take your focus even more off of God.

All I ask is for you to pray for me to God to help me resist the devil and to continue seeking him.

I feel that God has comforted me a few times and he told me encouraging things like "Who ever has loved another person has stared in the face of God.". He told me I should love my friends and everybody and not ever hate them because of their sins. He also told me I was not hopeless and I could see a bright future for me in Christ.

It would be a privilege to pray for you, and also to answer any questions you may have. I've been down this road, too. The ironic thing is, the more we're in touch with our weaknesses, the safer we actually are. It helps us guard against them an it in itself is a sign of spiritual health. Satan will try to use past sins to discourage you, but in fact it is this understanding of our own sins that comes from God Himself. When satan tries to discourage you, remind him that it was the publican that went away justified, not the Pharisee. ...And, who is satan to condemn, anyway?

Luke 18:10-14:

18:10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

18:11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

18:12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

18:13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

18:14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


Please just pray for me not to give in to all the evil thoughts.

This forum is a blessing.

It's a pleasure having you here as well! :)
 
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proberbs 24.16 a man can fall 6 times , as long as he gets back up [ 1 more time than he is knocked down - like the simon and garfunkel song about the boxer ]

psalm 118.5 I asked , God heard , done deal ....

do you like to read ? www.ogmandion.com
greatest miracle in the world , christ commission , 12th angel , return of the rag picker , university of success ... by Og Mandino , who almost quit , who almost shot himself , who decided to go one more month , wrote an article , article read by publisher looking for a writer , who called paper , who hired Og , who became a writer [ the hand of God and answered prayer ]... @ Chapter One , Barns and Noble
 
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