Can't find a church - need to get baptized

[Albion]

1. So what are you advocating....sprinkling is the only real popular alternative to being submerged or buried in the water per say.

No, it isn't. Affusion (pouring) is the most common.

2.That's what i'm saying....they were looking for a body of water that would be significant enough for immersion.

And as I told you, those were shallow pools that were NOT obvious choices if immersion were what was wanted.

3.YOu make a good point here...but you're forgetting about the greek word for baptizmo which means that the recipient must be submerged not the one doing the baptism.

The word is baptizo, not baptizmo, and it means to immerse OR to wash OR to dip OR pour OR even tinge or dye. This is the third time I have explained this.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

No, it isn't. Affusion (pouring) is the most common.


And as I told you, those were shallow pools that were NOT obvious choices if immersion were what was wanted.


The word is baptizo, not baptizmo, and it means to immerse OR to wash OR to dip OR several other actions. This is the third time I have explained this.

Sprinkling...pouring....it's the same thing almost except one just uses more water.


I meant to say baptizo I guess hard to memorize all greek terms after all we mistquote some sometimes...but you know what I meant. ...but no it means to be submerged, immersed/dipped no where is pour or sprinkling to be found there.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

No, it isn't. Affusion (pouring) is the most common.


And as I told you, those were shallow pools that were NOT obvious choices if immersion were what was wanted.


The word is baptizo, not baptizmo, and it means to immerse OR to wash OR to dip OR pour OR even tinge or dye. This is the third time I have explained this.

and that's what i'm saying we agree that immersion/submerged whatever you want to call it is likely what they were doing...not pouring or sprinkling if you need a body of water.

 

[Albion]

and that's what i'm saying we agree that immersion/submerged whatever you want to call it is likely what they were doing...not pouring or sprinkling if you need a body of water.

You cannot very well "immerse" someone in a mud puddle, can you?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

You cannot very well "immerse" someone in a mud puddle, can you?

obviously not but you can sprinkle someone with it.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I was baptized in the Church of Christ, they give the ceremony a becoming dignity

I was raised in the Church of Christ and... yeah, I think I'll have to go ahead and disagree with you there. My experience may have been different from yours. But I saw dozens, maybe hundreds, of baptisms in the Church of Christ and there was a kind of perfunctory element to it. I was baptized when I was 16 in the Church of Christ but (for good or ill) I'm not sure that experience represents the denomination really at all.

In the end, I was conditionally baptized when I was received into the Catholic Church just to make sure my bases were covered.

it doesn't save you

There's a whole can of worms that go into that. But here, again, we'll just disagree.

 

[mark kennedy]

I was raised in the Church of Christ and... yeah, I think I'll have to go ahead and disagree with you there. My experience may have been different from yours. But I saw dozens, maybe hundreds, of baptisms in the Church of Christ and there was a kind of perfunctory element to it. I was baptized when I was 16 in the Church of Christ but (for good or ill) I'm not sure that experience represents the denomination really at all.

In the end, I was conditionally baptized when I was received into the Catholic Church just to make sure my bases were covered.

There's a whole can of worms that go into that. But here, again, we'll just disagree.

Just relating my experiences, the Churches of Christ I was associated with always had a dignified ceremony with regards to baptism. BTW, I was also baptized as an infant by a Catholic priest and I've had first communion. Water baptism was something I wanted, not something I ever felt I needed. I don't think baptism is any more necessary to being saved then you need a ceremony to be married. But when you think about it, there's almost always a ceremony. Baptism and the Lord's Supper, the Sabbath for that matter, are all gifts not burdens. They are a celebration, a time to remember how much you owe and how much your salvation cost. I love the reverence some of the traditional churches demonstrate when performing these sacred rites.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should believe about baptism. I'm only saying the ceremony should be done in a dignified and solemn setting. A rite commended to the Apostles Jesus charged them to perform for the disciples they would make. It's a promise to disciple that individual, the believer also makes the commitment to rise and walk in newness of life. Is it required for salvation, I don't know, it looks like how salvation happens to me.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

just to make sure my bases were covered.

Covering bases does not result in salvation for anyone, and may lead many to destruction ("there is a way that SEEMS right...." ).
"Belief", "Trust", "Relying" in Jesus is what leads to Salvation in Him.
Trust put in men or in religion or in any/all so-called 'baptisms' results in something other.

 

[Albion]

obviously not but you can sprinkle someone with it.

Sure, but this means that we can dismiss the suggestion that Acts 8:36 provides any "proof" of immersion.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Covering bases does not result in salvation for anyone, and may lead many to destruction ("there is a way that SEEMS right...." ).
"Belief", "Trust", "Relying" in Jesus is what leads to Salvation in Him.
Trust put in men or in religion or in any/all so-called 'baptisms' results in something other.

So by that reckoning, I should disregard everything you say and go with St. Peter 3:20-22, right?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Sure, but this means that we can dismiss the suggestion that Acts 8:36 provides any "proof" of immersion.

How? I don’t follow you here

 

[Meowzltov]

Is the trinity really that far off from modalism though? I’ve studied both and the only difference is that one believes in 3 distinct persons inside God so God is more of a what based off the trinity, 3 distinct persons who hold the office of God. While for modalism God is a who who manifest himself in different modes or forms. We are gonna have to agree to disagree I believe As long as you follow acts 2:38 you’re good. But eh agree to disagree sure knowing who God is helps a lot... but to say

It is different enough that the Church formally declared Modalism a heresy and codified Trinitarianism in its dogma.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

It is different enough that the Church formally declared Modalism a heresy and codified Trinitarianism in its dogma.

The Catholic Church did true

 

[Radagast]

The Catholic Church did true

Every Christian group (except Oneness Pentecostals) acknowledges Modalism as a heresy. In fact, the SoF for CF is Trinitarian, so you shouldn't be posting here if you're not Trinitarian.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Every Christian group (except Oneness Pentecostals) acknowledges Modalism as a heresy. In fact, the SoF for CF is Trinitarian, so you shouldn't be posting here if you're not Trinitarian.

The topic has nothing to do with someone’s perception of God though just baptism. And I disagree I’ve met many Christians who believe in the trinity or some other view but tolerate oneoness. Maybe under church rules or whatever it’s deemed a harisy but the typical person could care less or turn out to be oneoness more so thenselves. In fact trinitarian apologist James White for example says most people are actually oneoness and don’t realize it or they don’t really embrace the correct view of the trinity at all. Many people are spiritual per say anyway or open minded to different views of God and other aspects of Christianity.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Every Christian group (except Oneness Pentecostals) acknowledges Modalism as a heresy. In fact, the SoF for CF is Trinitarian, so you shouldn't be posting here if you're not Trinitarian.

Sure you have your hardcore few who actually understand the trinity... or the oneoness side. But most people don’t fall on either extreme end of the spectrum or they don’t believe it matters.

 

[Meowzltov]

The Catholic Church did true

All Christian churches trace their ancestry through this decision.

 

[Paidiske]

1. So what are you advocating....sprinkling is the only real popular alternative to being submerged or buried in the water per say.

There are four major possibilities:

Submersion: the person being baptised is completely submerged in water.

Immersion: the person being baptised stands in water which does not completely cover them, and water is poured over them. (This is likely what John the Baptist was doing in the Jordan).

Affusion: water is poured over someone not standing in water.

Aspersion: water is sprinkled.

Aspersion is not usually used for baptism, but might be used at other times (such as the renewal of baptismal vows).

It is off topic and against the rules of CF to advocate for Oneness or non-Trinitarian views in this forum.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

There are four major possibilities:

Submersion: the person being baptised is completely submerged in water.

Immersion: the person being baptised stands in water which does not completely cover them, and water is poured over them. (This is likely what John the Baptist was doing in the Jordan).

Affusion: water is poured over someone not standing in water.

Aspersion: water is sprinkled.

Aspersion is not usually used for baptism, but might be used at other times (such as the renewal of baptismal vows).

It is off topic and against the rules of CF to advocate for Oneness or non-Trinitarian views in this forum.

Scripture supports the top 2 and that’s it. The others you mentioned are only supported by tradition but not a single scripture for them. Based off scripture the top 2 are the only major ones (although submersion would be 1A. And immersion 2A (there’s no indication of water being poured it’s just a small possibility since deep enough water a need in scripture (but you could just get enough to pour without a deep body of water though couldn’t you? ) but anyway that at least alone eliminates the last 2 on your list) It would be neat I guess if when it rained we all got “baptismal vows renewed” would be comvientional for some too cause you wouldn’t even have to go to church for it but eh. Anyway my bad for the comment forgot about how strict the rules are... this is a discussion forum but it has its limitations.

 

[Radagast]

Aspersion: water is sprinkled.

Aspersion is widely used in continental Reformed circles (including among Presbyterians). It is perhaps the most suitable method if you believe in baptising infants on the first Sunday after they leave the hospital.