Can't find a church - need to get baptized

[Andreas89]

First of all, I would like to point out that I made an edit, adding the word "these" in front of pastors, so as not to assert that all pastors are performing these hand signs. Furthermore, I would like to add another correction, removing the word occult in front of hand signs in the first sentence. I can not say with certainty that these hand signs have occult meaning, I can only say that these hand signs are performed by a wide variety of people, often those in positions of power and celebrities, and have been asserted by others to have occult meaning. My understanding of the occult is not deep. I might need to investigate this further. I am torn between 1 Thessalonians 5:22, and Ephesians 5:13.

Regarding the hand grips given by various world leaders, there are a number of various handshakes that have been observed. Some of these can be seen in Illustrations of Masonry, by William Morgan, [1827], where the handshake involves pressing the thumb on different knuckles/spaces between the knuckles during the hand shake from what I can gather to signify a certain position within freemasonry.

 

[Sketcher]

You have a good point, and I am concerned about this. I might have been passing judgement too harshly, in a way that might not be upbuilding. I am torn between not judging, and then being called to judge those on the inside 1 Corinthians 5:12. I really want to help people, but I don't want to backbite or slander either. There were perhaps better ways to go about this. I have a lot more reading and studying to do.

I would say you don't know enough to judge at this point. The Corinthian believers clearly did, this was a known and verified case of incest, and we're assuming two or more church members talked to the perps about it, given the protocol Jesus laid down in Matthew 18:15-17, and Paul submitted his teaching to Jesus' teaching.

Is a slanderer only one who falsely accuses?

Another form of slander is overdoing a judgment that is technically true until it is not true anymore. "Slanderer" has also been translated as "railer" or "reviler" according to the Greek word used. It is committing murder in the heart per Matthew 5:22, the level of "you fool" that Christ refers to.

 

[Albion]

Regarding the hand grips given by various world leaders, there are a number of various handshakes that have been observed.

Maybe. Hold your fingers in any particular way and someone is going to say that you're flashing an occult signal to somebody. It happens to President Trump all the time. But the handshakes that I saw pictured--many of them--on the several websites I was thinking of were all exactly like the everybody uses everyday. That just shows how silly most of this stuff is.

Some of these can be seen in Illustrations of Masonry, by William Morgan, [1827], where the handshake involves pressing the thumb on different knuckles/spaces between the knuckles during the hand shake from what I can gather to signify a certain position within freemasonry.

If that were true, however, it certainly wouldn't be occult in nature, would it?

 

[Andreas89]

I would say you don't know enough to judge at this point. The Corinthian believers clearly did, this was a known and verified case of incest, and we're assuming two or more church members talked to the perps about it, given the protocol Jesus laid down in Matthew 18:15-17, and Paul submitted his teaching to Jesus' teaching.

Am I allowed to be suspicious and question it though? I agree that I am not in a position to judge. My first post seems to err more towards the fact that there is a connection, which in retrospect is erroneous since it is based on a lot of assumptions.

Another form of slander is overdoing a judgment that is technically true until it is not true anymore.

Could you elaborate? How can a judgment that is once true become untrue, what is the notion of overdoing?

"Slanderer" has also been translated as "railer" or "reviler" according to the Greek word used. It is committing murder in the heart per Matthew 5:22, the level of "you fool" that Christ refers to.

I would hope, that if I had demonstrated such characteristics, that they be judged and pointed out to me so as to restore me.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I am a believer that one needs to be baptized to be saved. I am not asking for a debate on this particular topic.

I also can't seem to find someone to baptize me. I know that there doesn't appear to be any directions as to who can baptize and who can't, besides the examples of who was doing the baptism in the Bible, and even then it doesn't seem to mention that only they were permitted to do so. 1 Corinthians 5:11 gives some directives on what type of so called brothers to not associate with, so if any so called brother had these attributes, I would not want them to be performing the baptism.

The churches I've been to I have noticed that they are falling away from scripture. I believe the "once saved always saved" doctrine is a false doctrine leading people to destruction, which is the doctrine taught in an independent fundamental baptist church I attended. Many churches have women speaking and singing in them, a violation of the command given in 1 Corinthians 14:34. I have also researched and come across the occult, and am familiar with the telltale hand signs that supposed freemasons, or other members of secretive organizations do. I might have read/seen somewhere that they believe these hand signs are casting spells on people, a form of witchcraft or some kind of magick. Of all the last 3 churches I've relatively recently attended, each pastor has performed at least 1 of these hand signs. Now I know I can't draw any definitive conclusions from this, without confirmation from them directly, especially since it is possible they are doing them naively and without knowing their significance. However, I am suspicious, and would not be surprised if a majority of churches have been infiltrated. Matthew 7:15, 2 Timothy 3:13 state that this type of infiltration will take place. Especially in combination with the fact that each pastor has been preaching things, that in my opinion, are completely unbiblical.

I thought about an Orthodox church, but I noticed they have a lot of images in their churches, which seems to be a violation of Exodus 20:4.

I'm really having a hard time finding a righteous Christian to baptize me. I thought about going in to the church again to speak to the people attending, and potentially find someone to baptize me, but if I suspect the pastors are intentionally deceiving (or are deceived themselves and resultantly deceiving) and potentially performing witchcraft, why would I want to even be a part of such a place? 1 Thessalonians 5:22

What do I do to find someone to baptize me? Do I put up a craigslit/kijiji ad? And in the same vein, where do I find Christian fellowship? I'm thinking in this day and age, and with my experience of the churches, I may have to resort to the internet for fellowship.

I know what you mean. I went through a similar struggle. I desired to be baptized by just a close Christian friend, but he felt I should do it at a church. So I got baptized in a church I thought was good because they were friendly. But I later found out they believed in OSAS; So I stopped going there. Personally, I believe it only takes one other believer to baptize another (like Philip did with the Ethiopian Enuch). If a person has accepted Jesus as their Savior, believes in his death, resurrection, believes in the Trinity, Sola Scriptura, Conditional Salvation, and that we are to obey the Commands in the New Testament (which would naturally include the “Moral Law” like do not hate, do not steal, do not covet, etc.) and we are not to obey the Old Testament Commands (like Circumcision, the dietary laws, etc.) I would be happy to do such a thing for them.

I would have to also feel comfortable with them and they would have to feel the same way about me, as well.

Note: I prefer house fellowship and not the popular stage show big building gatherings.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Am I allowed to be suspicious and question it though? I agree that I am not in a position to judge. My first post seems to err more towards the fact that there is a connection, which in retrospect is erroneous since it is based on a lot of assumptions.


Could you elaborate? How can a judgment that is once true become untrue, what is the notion of overdoing?



I would hope, that if I had demonstrated such characteristics, that they be judged and pointed out to me so as to restore me.

Yeah, there is a lot of scary stuff going on churches these days. If they repeat mantras and talk about fire a lot or how you must speak in tongues and or if you see church members bark like dogs, convulse on the floor and scream in pain (after being touched on the head), or shake their head so fast it is blurry, run away in the other direction.

Instead, worship and serve the living God according to Scripture.

 

[Tolworth John]

The accusation that these pastors are performing hand signs is certainly not based on nothing. It is based on my understanding of the occult and the observation of my own eyes. The assertion, however, that they are doing them purposely and with occult/magick/witchcraft intent was never made. However, the suspicion of such increases with the variety and frequency of hand signs that they perform.

I did a quick google search for occult handsigns.
Those shown included a number that could be inocently used with out any occult knowledge.
One was pointing with the first finger.
What I am saying is you need far more evidence than seeing someone use what to them are inocent gestures.
Talk to the minister, listen to their on line sermons, to find a church you can belong to.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

I am a believer that one needs to be baptized to be saved. I am not asking for a debate on this particular topic.

I also can't seem to find someone to baptize me. I know that there doesn't appear to be any directions as to who can baptize and who can't, besides the examples of who was doing the baptism in the Bible, and even then it doesn't seem to mention that only they were permitted to do so. 1 Corinthians 5:11 gives some directives on what type of so called brothers to not associate with, so if any so called brother had these attributes, I would not want them to be performing the baptism.

The churches I've been to I have noticed that they are falling away from scripture. I believe the "once saved always saved" doctrine is a false doctrine leading people to destruction, which is the doctrine taught in an independent fundamental baptist church I attended. Many churches have women speaking and singing in them, a violation of the command given in 1 Corinthians 14:34. I have also researched and come across the occult, and am familiar with the telltale hand signs that supposed freemasons, or other members of secretive organizations do. I might have read/seen somewhere that they believe these hand signs are casting spells on people, a form of witchcraft or some kind of magick. Of all the last 3 churches I've relatively recently attended, each pastor has performed at least 1 of these hand signs. Now I know I can't draw any definitive conclusions from this, without confirmation from them directly, especially since it is possible they are doing them naively and without knowing their significance. However, I am suspicious, and would not be surprised if a majority of churches have been infiltrated. Matthew 7:15, 2 Timothy 3:13 state that this type of infiltration will take place. Especially in combination with the fact that each pastor has been preaching things, that in my opinion, are completely unbiblical.

I thought about an Orthodox church, but I noticed they have a lot of images in their churches, which seems to be a violation of Exodus 20:4.

I'm really having a hard time finding a righteous Christian to baptize me. I thought about going in to the church again to speak to the people attending, and potentially find someone to baptize me, but if I suspect the pastors are intentionally deceiving (or are deceived themselves and resultantly deceiving) and potentially performing witchcraft, why would I want to even be a part of such a place? 1 Thessalonians 5:22

What do I do to find someone to baptize me? Do I put up a craigslit/kijiji ad? And in the same vein, where do I find Christian fellowship? I'm thinking in this day and age, and with my experience of the churches, I may have to resort to the internet for fellowship.

I am not certain the bible mentions that the person conducting the baptism must be perfect or righteous. In my opinion the baptism is a real intimate thing between the person and the Lord whom is being baptized. With that being said I believe any mature believer can baptize anyone who desires it and it can be just about anywhere with water, i.e, a pool, a lake, a river, a pond, a hot tub, or a bath tub for that matter. It is not about the ceremony per say but the heart of those who are being baptized. Baptism is an outward expression and a statement of faith done publicly.

Now for the other points you made I find it astounding really and refreshing. If indeed you are a new believer yet you see spiritual truths in discerning what the Lord has shown you. There is infiltration by masonic (among other groups) in just about all the large denominations as you have stated. You are not just imagining the hand gestures. As you said, they may not be intentional per say on the part of these "pastors" but at some level they reveal something. I believe that first things happen in the spiritual realm then they manifest in the natural and sometimes though hand gestures and sometimes only those with a discerning spirit even notice. It is also astounding that one who is seeking to be baptized also is picking up on so many doctrinal issues that do indeed exist.

In my opinion, if you are a new believer, and are seeking to be baptized, and the Lord has shown you these truths then PRAISE JESUS because he is revealing truths to you and his hand is truly upon you Trust the Lord and what he shows you. Do not compromise HIS TRUTH. God Bless you.

Oh and get baptized as soon as you can

 

[2Timothy2:15]

May I suggest that you check out what your local churches believe and that you talk to the ministers about your concerns.

And how does that look? Well pastor I noticed you or I noticed your guest speaker/ "profit" whoops I mean prophet making 666 hand signs repeatedly. Should I be concerned that you serve mammon and not the Lord?

Pastors response " no dear, I am the pastor of this church and I love you and I love the lord"

Oh well that settles it...

Pastor gets into his new 70,000 dollar car and drives to his 500,000 dollar house....

Scene 2

Pastor I was here three weeks ago and there use to be a cross in the sanctuary. I noticed you took down the cross and now there are all these triangles put up as decorations. I also noticed you painted your entire ceiling black and put up concert lighting. Why? You do know that the occult us triangles to summon demons and this is the atmosphere of a rock concert right?

Pastor responds "oh nonsense dear, we have freedom in christ. I am making it more comfortable and welcoming for the unchurched. You do want to see the unchurched in church right?...

Pastor gets up and gives 20 minute mini sermon on tithing and if you don't tithe you are robbing god...then gives a sermon on serving the church and how you need to give up your time and serve more (every pharoah needs slaves after all)....

 

[Tolworth John]

And how does that look? Well pastor I noticed you or I noticed your guest speaker/ "profit" whoops I mean prophet making 666 hand signs repeatedly. Should I be concerned that you serve mammon and not the Lord?

Pastors response " no dear, I am the pastor of this church and I love you and I love the lord"

Oh well that settles it...

Pastor gets into his new 70,000 dollar car and drives to his 500,000 dollar house....

1. learn to address difficult subjects carefully and to show that you are serious about the subject.

2. don't attend a church where the minister has a higher income than the average church member.

 

[DominicBaptiste]

I am a believer that one needs to be baptized to be saved. I am not asking for a debate on this particular topic.

I also can't seem to find someone to baptize me. I know that there doesn't appear to be any directions as to who can baptize and who can't, besides the examples of who was doing the baptism in the Bible, and even then it doesn't seem to mention that only they were permitted to do so. 1 Corinthians 5:11 gives some directives on what type of so called brothers to not associate with, so if any so called brother had these attributes, I would not want them to be performing the baptism.

The churches I've been to I have noticed that they are falling away from scripture. I believe the "once saved always saved" doctrine is a false doctrine leading people to destruction, which is the doctrine taught in an independent fundamental baptist church I attended. Many churches have women speaking and singing in them, a violation of the command given in 1 Corinthians 14:34. I have also researched and come across the occult, and am familiar with the telltale hand signs that supposed freemasons, or other members of secretive organizations do. I might have read/seen somewhere that they believe these hand signs are casting spells on people, a form of witchcraft or some kind of magick. Of all the last 3 churches I've relatively recently attended, each pastor has performed at least 1 of these hand signs. Now I know I can't draw any definitive conclusions from this, without confirmation from them directly, especially since it is possible they are doing them naively and without knowing their significance. However, I am suspicious, and would not be surprised if a majority of churches have been infiltrated. Matthew 7:15, 2 Timothy 3:13 state that this type of infiltration will take place. Especially in combination with the fact that each pastor has been preaching things, that in my opinion, are completely unbiblical.

I thought about an Orthodox church, but I noticed they have a lot of images in their churches, which seems to be a violation of Exodus 20:4.

I'm really having a hard time finding a righteous Christian to baptize me. I thought about going in to the church again to speak to the people attending, and potentially find someone to baptize me, but if I suspect the pastors are intentionally deceiving (or are deceived themselves and resultantly deceiving) and potentially performing witchcraft, why would I want to even be a part of such a place? 1 Thessalonians 5:22

What do I do to find someone to baptize me? Do I put up a craigslit/kijiji ad? And in the same vein, where do I find Christian fellowship? I'm thinking in this day and age, and with my experience of the churches, I may have to resort to the internet for fellowship.

I think you've over-analyzed it. The vast majority of Christians baptize with water "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." According to the Roman Catholic Church, anybody, even an atheist woman, can baptize you, if they mean to do what the church does, and there is flowing water involved and the above phrase. I think it's common for most people to be baptized into a local church community, but I'm pretty sure that God would still shine down on you after the water ran, even if your neighbor did it in the backyard. I'm a member of the United Methodist Church, and I'm sure if you found any Methodist Church, maybe one of the larger ones near you, and emailed one of the ministers from the website, he or she would arrange for it to be done very quickly. Find-A-Church - The United Methodist Church There are also many many baptist and non-denominational churches all over the place that would love to dunk you in the horse troph. I think you just need to move past the list of requirements you have and go for it.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

According to the Roman Catholic Church, anybody, even an atheist woman, can baptize you, if they mean to do what the church does, and there is flowing water involved and the above phrase.

Not biblical.

Ironically look at the symbols in the post. ^

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/159244536798358224/

 

[jmldn2]

It usually ends up in debate and discussion if someone posts on a public site. So expect to have a bit of that. Responding to the OP

 

[DominicBaptiste]

Not bible

I don't think the Roman Catholic Church is perfect, but if it didn't exist, you wouldn't be Christian because they Christianized Europe. It's like saying you don't think your family from the Middle Ages were Christian, which is ridiculous. It doesn't take a Bible to state the obvious, at least not for me. If you can't do Baptist, Methodist, or Catholic, chances are you are a very special and difficult person. ;^) Here's a Bible verse for you:
Acts 22:16 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
16 And now why do you delay? Get up, be baptized, and have your sins washed away, calling on his name.’

 

[2Timothy2:15]

I don't think the Roman Catholic Church is perfect, but if it didn't exist, you wouldn't be Christian because they Christianized Europe. It's like saying you don't think your family from the Middle Ages were Christian, which is ridiculous. It doesn't take a Bible to state the obvious, at least not for me. If you can't do Baptist, Methodist, or Catholic, chances are you are a very special and difficult person. ;^) Here's a Bible verse for you:
Acts 22:16 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
16 And now why do you delay? Get up, be baptized, and have your sins washed away, calling on his name.’

That is a lie as old as time that I owe my salvation to the Catholic Church. I was raised in the Catholic Church and was not saved nor knew Jesus the whole time. The bible says no one comes to the Son unless they are drawn by the Father.....no mention of the Catholic Church. God gives those to Jesus who belongs to him.

Here is a bible verse for you.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Here is another

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[DominicBaptiste]

That is a lie as old as time that I owe my salvation to the Catholic Church. I was raised in the Catholic Church and was not saved nor knew Jesus the whole time. The bible says no one comes to the Son unless they are drawn by the Father.....no mention of the Catholic Church. God gives those to Jesus who belongs to him.

Here is a bible verse for you.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Here is another

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I went to school and read books, so I probably will never agree with you. Bless you and have a nice day. Agree to disagree.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

I went to school and read books, so I probably will never agree with you. Bless you and have a nice day. Agree to disagree.

Oh, an educated one.....how dare I.

 

[Andreas89]

Now for the other points you made I find it astounding really and refreshing. If indeed you are a new believer yet you see spiritual truths in discerning what the Lord has shown you. There is infiltration by masonic (among other groups) in just about all the large denominations as you have stated. You are not just imagining the hand gestures. As you said, they may not be intentional per say on the part of these "pastors" but at some level they reveal something. I believe that first things happen in the spiritual realm then they manifest in the natural and sometimes though hand gestures and sometimes only those with a discerning spirit even notice. It is also astounding that one who is seeking to be baptized also is picking up on so many doctrinal issues that do indeed exist.

It definitely appears to originate in the spiritual realm. People can become hosts for Satan, and even allow demons/fallen angels/Satan to speak through them, so one can assume that it isn't out of the realm of possibility for these demons to speak through people using their hands and eyes (winking) to make gestures as well. Now, in speculation - whether it all originates in the spiritual, or whether people are communicating with the demonic realm (channelling for example) through these gestures in some kind of symbiosis is unknown, but I think there is more to it than appears on first glance.

Oh and get baptized as soon as you can

Would you suggest I enter one of these churches to find someone to baptize me? Could it be a violation of 1 Thessalonians 5:22 to enter a church where I have suspicions of the doctrine taught, pastor, and even some members of the congregation?

Just a few examples of things I noticed in this church - 2 or 3 hand/body signs from the pastor as well as what appears to be deliberate winks. More specifically - the 666 hand sign, can't remember for sure, but I think he made the El Diablo (devil horns sign), and then the as above so below hand/body sign while singing - 1 hand up, the other hand holding the bible down. Similar to the hand/body sign that baphomet makes, and the same one identified in other pictures.

One woman was raising up both hands and formed the triangle hand sign above her head while singing.

When they were collecting offerings, the tray past by me and I passed it along, not giving any contribution, and it seemed the man who was collecting the tray went "Pfft" in a condescending manner that seemed directed towards me. I can't say with 100% certainty that it was a condescending sound directed towards me, but that's how it felt/seemed, especially considering the timing of it.

One member gave me a handshake and seemed to press on my knuckle during the handshake.

I'm not trying to slander, defame, or backbite anyone - merely acknowledging what I have observed. Once again, I can't say for certain these hand signs have meaning and are done intentionally, I don't understand it fully - but I am suspicious. They don't appear to be unintentional coincidences, they seem to be linked to the spiritual realm and magick.

After witnessing all these things, should I even go back? I walked all the way to the church (1 hour walk) last Sunday and started to really question why I was going. Reading 1 Thessalonians 5:22 and some commentary on it convinced me to turn around.

The entire program of the church is centred around this one pastor, his readings and teachings.

My dilemma is I don't know where to find someone to baptize me, given my perception that churches (3 of 3 I have recently visited) have been infiltrated.

In my opinion, if you are a new believer, and are seeking to be baptized, and the Lord has shown you these truths then PRAISE JESUS because he is revealing truths to you and his hand is truly upon you Trust the Lord and what he shows you. Do not compromise HIS TRUTH. God Bless you.

It is through Jesus that truths have been shown to me. I am so blessed, the amount of truths he has shown to me has been incredible. Proverbs 9:10

 

[2Timothy2:15]

It definitely appears to originate in the spiritual realm. People can become hosts for Satan, and even allow demons/fallen angels/Satan to speak through them, so one can assume that it isn't out of the realm of possibility for these demons to speak through people using their hands and eyes (winking) to make gestures as well. Now, in speculation - whether it all originates in the spiritual, or whether people are communicating with the demonic realm (channelling for example) through these gestures in some kind of symbiosis is unknown, but I think there is more to it than appears on first glance.


Would you suggest I enter one of these churches to find someone to baptize me? Could it be a violation of 1 Thessalonians 5:22 to enter a church where I have suspicions of the doctrine taught, pastor, and even some members of the congregation?

Just a few examples of things I noticed in this church - 2 or 3 hand/body signs from the pastor as well as what appears to be deliberate winks. More specifically - the 666 hand sign, can't remember for sure, but I think he made the El Diablo (devil horns sign), and then the as above so below hand/body sign while singing - 1 hand up, the other hand holding the bible down. Similar to the hand/body sign that baphomet makes, and the same one identified in other pictures.

One woman was raising up both hands and formed the triangle hand sign above her head while singing.

When they were collecting offerings, the tray past by me and I passed it along, not giving any contribution, and it seemed the man who was collecting the tray went "Pfft" in a condescending manner that seemed directed towards me. I can't say with 100% certainty that it was a condescending sound directed towards me, but that's how it felt/seemed, especially considering the timing of it.

One member gave me a handshake and seemed to press on my knuckle during the handshake.

I'm not trying to slander, defame, or backbite anyone - merely acknowledging what I have observed. Once again, I can't say for certain these hand signs have meaning and are done intentionally, I don't understand it fully - but I am suspicious. They don't appear to be unintentional coincidences, they seem to be linked to the spiritual realm and magick.

After witnessing all these things, should I even go back? I walked all the way to the church (1 hour walk) last Sunday and started to really question why I was going. Reading 1 Thessalonians 5:22 and some commentary on it convinced me to turn around.

The entire program of the church is centred around this one pastor, his readings and teachings.

My dilemma is I don't know where to find someone to baptize me, given my perception that churches (3 of 3 I have recently visited) have been infiltrated.



It is through Jesus that truths have been shown to me. I am so blessed, the amount of truths he has shown to me has been incredible. Proverbs 9:10

I would steer clear of the church you attended. As far as finding someone to baptize you. Pray that the Lord send someone to you

And yes it is a true blessing to have the Lord show truths and grant the gift of discernment. Protect the truth in your heart and protect your discernment by remaining uncompromising. God Bless

 

[dqhall]

I am a believer that one needs to be baptized to be saved. I am not asking for a debate on this particular topic.

I also can't seem to find someone to baptize me. I know that there doesn't appear to be any directions as to who can baptize and who can't, besides the examples of who was doing the baptism in the Bible, and even then it doesn't seem to mention that only they were permitted to do so. 1 Corinthians 5:11 gives some directives on what type of so called brothers to not associate with, so if any so called brother had these attributes, I would not want them to be performing the baptism.

The churches I've been to I have noticed that they are falling away from scripture. I believe the "once saved always saved" doctrine is a false doctrine leading people to destruction, which is the doctrine taught in an independent fundamental baptist church I attended. Many churches have women speaking and singing in them, a violation of the command given in 1 Corinthians 14:34. I have also researched and come across the occult, and am familiar with the telltale hand signs that supposed freemasons, or other members of secretive organizations do. I might have read/seen somewhere that they believe these hand signs are casting spells on people, a form of witchcraft or some kind of magick. Of all the last 3 churches I've relatively recently attended, each pastor has performed at least 1 of these hand signs. Now I know I can't draw any definitive conclusions from this, without confirmation from them directly, especially since it is possible they are doing them naively and without knowing their significance. However, I am suspicious, and would not be surprised if a majority of churches have been infiltrated. Matthew 7:15, 2 Timothy 3:13 state that this type of infiltration will take place. Especially in combination with the fact that each pastor has been preaching things, that in my opinion, are completely unbiblical.

I thought about an Orthodox church, but I noticed they have a lot of images in their churches, which seems to be a violation of Exodus 20:4.

I'm really having a hard time finding a righteous Christian to baptize me. I thought about going in to the church again to speak to the people attending, and potentially find someone to baptize me, but if I suspect the pastors are intentionally deceiving (or are deceived themselves and resultantly deceiving) and potentially performing witchcraft, why would I want to even be a part of such a place? 1 Thessalonians 5:22

What do I do to find someone to baptize me? Do I put up a craigslit/kijiji ad? And in the same vein, where do I find Christian fellowship? I'm thinking in this day and age, and with my experience of the churches, I may have to resort to the internet for fellowship.

I got the idea I should be baptized when I was in my 20's. I had no recollection of my infant baptism. I was traveling and not affiliated with a church. John the Baptist was a popular preacher. Jesus had to go to be baptized while John was preaching repentance is more important than baptism. I eventually talked to a Baptist pastor about being baptized without joining his church. He was healthy, normal body mass, unblemished, articulate and educated. He agreed to perform the service. I was dunked in the water. I was baptized and filled with elation. The elation did not last, but I remembered I must repent if I will be forgiven. I went to be baptized because Jesus was baptized. I did not own the church's sins and they did not own my sins.

Pastor Rischard Wurmbrand was imprisoned and tortured for preaching Christianity in the Soviet Union. He wrote about baptizing people in prison with a cup of water. I think that method is no less valid than full immersion. The main thing is to repent if you want to be cleansed of your sins. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is more important than water baptism.