Can you prove it?

[eleos1954]

Some say that "The Great Commission" is addressed to Christians living today, in fact many say it and say also it was addressed to Christian in every age. The same goes for the Sermon on the mount. And for a great many of Jesus' sayings and lessons which were addressed to the apostles, or the disciples, or the Jews of his time, or the crowds of his time. Can you prove it? Why ought anyone take that perspective? And what about "apostolic succession", will you arguments justify or destroy belief in apostolic succession?

The entire bible is about Jesus .... all have always relied on the promises of God (faith) since Genesis 3

15And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

And Abel offered a sacrifice of which pointed to the coming of Messiah. Faith in the promise to come.

As back then (His first coming) and today the Great Commission is getting out the message (promise) of the Messiah to come (for the second time)

Matthew 28:19

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”…

At this time He was speaking to the then 11 disciples ...and gave instruction to make disciples of all nations. The "succession of discipleship" is through all disciples (those in Christ) within the nations ..... not through a particular earthly church system of a progression of disciples through it being carried forward.

Authority .... Jesus is the only authority ... not any one earthy church organization/system or its' "successors".

It is Scripture that was and is to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared to (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority (discipleship) was passed on through the writings of the apostles of which was and is going to all the nations, not through apostolic succession of themselves to an earthly church system.... through the nations of the world the gospel is preached and is going forward. Amen!!

 

[HTacianas]

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Nothing in the verse i posted states these people receive The Holy Spirit, from laying on of hands. The verse plainly states When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

So who marked them with the seal if not the apostles. Every time we see it described it is always by the apostles and never by mere belief. In fact it specifically states that those who believed did not receive the Holy Spirit other than by the apostles. Even Paul was baptized after meeting Jesus to receive the Holy Spirit. The jailer in Acts believed and then went through a catechism before being baptized.

So no, the idea of receiving the Holy Spirit through mere belief doesn't hold up.

 

[d taylor]

So who marked them with the seal if not the apostles. Every time we see it described it is always by the apostles and never by mere belief. In fact it specifically states that those who believed did not receive the Holy Spirit other than by the apostles. Even Paul was baptized after meeting Jesus to receive the Holy Spirit. The jailer in Acts believed and then went through a catechism before being baptized.

So no, the idea of receiving the Holy Spirit through mere belief doesn't hold up.

God

 

[HTacianas]

Don't all Believers have a ministry? Everybody knows someone who hasnt come to the Lord. We are the church now. Our body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. But I'm retired and live alone so my ministry is around 3 people, lol. No regular meeting place, no collection plate but more prayers than usual.

Is Intercessory Prayer a part of the great commission? Question: If someone went to a Billy Graham Crusade and got saved...who gets the credit? Billy Graham or the girl's grandmother who has been praying for her for years?

I suppose intercessory prayer could be part of the great commission because an example of it is given in Acts. But if someone said they were saved by a Billy Graham crusade I would ask them who baptized them.

 

[HTacianas]

God

Even in the old testament when God wanted someone sealed He commanded a person to do it. And there no accounts of it any different in the new testament.

 

[d taylor]

Even in the old testament when God wanted someone sealed He commanded a person to do it. And there no accounts of it any different in the new testament.

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In The Tankah God only gave the Holy Spirit to certain believers, it was not available to all believers. Plus a believer who God gave The Holy Spirit to could have The Spirit taken away for disobedience.

God works according to the age His has established. How God worked in Tanakh times is not the same way God works during the church age.

 

[HTacianas]

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In The Tankah God only gave the Holy Spirit to certain believers, it was not available to all believers. Plus a believer who God gave The Holy Spirit to could have The Spirit taken away for disobedience.

God works according to the age His has established. How God worked in Tanakh times is not the same way God works during the church age.

In the Church age God works through the laying on of hands. If that were not the case there wouldn't be so many examples of it.

 

[Dan Perez]

The entire bible is about Jesus .... all have always relied on the promises of God (faith) since Genesis 3

15And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

And Abel offered a sacrifice of which pointed to the coming of Messiah. Faith in the promise to come.

As back then (His first coming) and today the Great Commission is getting out the message (promise) of the Messiah to come (for the second time)

Matthew 28:19

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”…

At this time He was speaking to the then 11 disciples ...and gave instruction to make disciples of all nations. The "succession of discipleship" is through all disciples (those in Christ) within the nations ..... not through a particular earthly church system of a progression of disciples through it being carried forward.

Authority .... Jesus is the only authority ... not any one earthy church organization/system or its' "successors".

It is Scripture that was and is to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared to (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority (discipleship) was passed on through the writings of the apostles of which was and is going to all the nations, not through apostolic succession of themselves to an earthly church system.... through the nations of the world the gospel is preached and is going forward. Amen!

The entire bible is about Jesus .... all have always relied on the promises of God (faith) since Genesis 3

15And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

And Abel offered a sacrifice of which pointed to the coming of Messiah. Faith in the promise to come.

As back then (His first coming) and today the Great Commission is getting out the message (promise) of the Messiah to come (for the second time)

Matthew 28:19

18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”…

At this time He was speaking to the then 11 disciples ...and gave instruction to make disciples of all nations. The "succession of discipleship" is through all disciples (those in Christ) within the nations ..... not through a particular earthly church system of a progression of disciples through it being carried forward.

Authority .... Jesus is the only authority ... not any one earthy church organization/system or its' "successors".

It is Scripture that was and is to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared to (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority (discipleship) was passed on through the writings of the apostles of which was and is going to all the nations, not through apostolic succession of themselves to an earthly church system.... through the nations of the world the gospel is preached and is going forward. Amen!!

I have never seen where APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION in the bible , unless you have a verse where it explains the THEORY and be glad to see how Peter was saved , and be willing to study your verses ?

dan p

 

[d taylor]

In the Church age God works through the laying on of hands. If that were not the case there wouldn't be so many examples of it.

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God works in many ways, but there is only one way to receive The Holy Spirit. By belief or faith in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

 

[Dan Perez]

God

What about Acts 1:6 and reads , For John indeed BAPTIZED with WATER but you will be BAPTIZED with HOLY SPIRIT not many of these days after >

Your thoughts on these verse ?

dan p

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Some say that "The Great Commission" is addressed to Christians living today, in fact many say it and say also it was addressed to Christian in every age. The same goes for the Sermon on the mount. And for a great many of Jesus' sayings and lessons which were addressed to the apostles, or the disciples, or the Jews of his time, or the crowds of his time. Can you prove it? Why ought anyone take that perspective? And what about "apostolic succession", will you arguments justify or destroy belief in apostolic succession?

It is simple, we should follow the principles of Scripture, including the book of Wisdom.

 

[HTacianas]

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God works in many ways, but there is only one way to receive The Holy Spirit. By belief or faith in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

And as soon as you do that you have hands laid on you by someone who has that gift.

 

[d taylor]

What about Acts 1:6 and reads , For John indeed BAPTIZED with WATER but you will be BAPTIZED with HOLY SPIRIT not many of these days after >

Your thoughts on these verse ?

dan p

Acts 1:6 states Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

 

[d taylor]

And as soon as you do that you have hands laid on you by someone who has that gift.

A Person would be to slow, because at the very moment of belief, God places The Holy Spirit in the person. They may lay their hands on a person, but The Holy spirit is already there.

There are people who are at home, in a hotel, etc.. read more than likely the Gospel of John. They understand The Gospels message and believe in Jesus for Eternal Life, with no body else around.
They receive The Holy Spirit that very moment of belief.

 

[HTacianas]

A Person would be to slow, because at the very moment of belief, God places The Holy Spirit in the person. They may lay their hands on a person, but The Holy spirit is already there.

There are people who are at home, in a hotel, etc.. read more than likely the Gospel of John. They understand The Gospels message and believe in Jesus for Eternal Life, with no body else around.
They receive The Holy Spirit that very moment of belief.

Can you show me in the bible an example of that happening.

 

[d taylor]

Can you show me in the bible an example of that happening.

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The Bible was not compiled at that time, so there will be no examples of People reading The Gospel of John and John's Gospel was not written till 60 to 70 A.D.

 

[HTacianas]

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The Bible was not compiled at that time, so there will be no examples of People reading The Gospel of John and John's Gospel was not written till 60 to 70 A.D.

So, according to the bible and the entire history of Christianity the Holy Spirit is conveyed by the laying on of hands but for some reason that is not the case.

 

[d taylor]

So, according to the bible and the entire history of Christianity the Holy Spirit is conveyed by the laying on of hands but for some reason that is not the case.

Interesting that from a few example in Acts, you then apply that to the whole history of the visible church.

No laying on of hands here
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message

 

[Lost Witness]

So no, the idea of receiving the Holy Spirit through mere belief doesn't hold up

Was Born Again in a backyard and it was only me.
Nobody else was physically present.
It's through belief we're saved.


"because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved"

 

[HTacianas]

Interesting that from a few example in Acts, you then apply that to the whole history of the visible church.

No laying on of hands here
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message

Peter was an apostle who had the gift of conveying the Holy Spirit. Now read about the samaritans in Acts 8 who believed and were baptized yet still did not receive the Holy Spirit. It's an enlightening story.