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Can you name something you appreciate about every religion you're aware of?

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I agree. The fact that people act according to their conscience and do good things while belonging to a religion is not necessarily a quality of that religion. Those people might act the same way while believing in a completely different religion. So to say you appreciate some of the believers in a religion does not really equate with appreciating the religion. Nor would any art inspired by a religion really be appreciating the religion. It would be appreciating the skill of the artist which could have just as beautifully been put to use in a secular work or in a work inspired by a different religion or a person might be unskilled and produce garbage which no one would appreciate no matter the religion that inspires it. There are very few religions for which I can say I have a great appreciation for their belief system and that is what the religion is actually about not the artwork it inspires or the people that happen to believe in it by virtue of proximity.
It is logically inconsistent - when seeing things birthed out of a religion by people in the religion - to claim that others are not appreciating the religion. The same goes for art. Of course having someone like an artist do something doesn't mean you cannot find artists in other places. Nonetheless, the culture they come from and the art styles they know about (or that are allowed from where they are) influences highly. It's why I don't expect artists growing up in South America doing Japanese Calligraphy as if they grew up in that culture with that system of writing. Or in places where the styles are radically different.

And yes, someone born in a Taoist culture does not necessarily mean they could not do good art if they were in a different

That said.....


Too bad for me , because there is so much about the initial OP that I disagree with.
That's fine - but in respect, someone disagreeing with an OP has no business posting in a thread on a specific topic or going out of their way to simply say "I just don't like this topic!!" when they can move on quietly just as easily to discuss with others agreeing with them. It's like someone having a thread focusing on dealing with tigers/asking for others to share what they appreciate and one is unable to say anything else besides "I hate tigers!!!" - not liking a topic does not equate to having to having the right to go against the subject of the topic and only comment on that.


 
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The OP was to list something about other faiths you appreciate. Why don't you do that? Things like the love or kindness you mentioned here.

As a Christian, I keep in mind the words of Christ from the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-39 and other passages, as the command to love your neighbor does not mean there's nothing one cannot find about their neighbor/where they come from that they cannot appreciate.

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Turn the other cheek?

Sometimes, but not always. Sometimes going like the water leads you towards violence and to avoid it would be against the Tao. A Taoist avoiding violence when violence is the way of the Tao is going against the Tao.
 
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I was going to mention earlier that if there'd never been the Christ, I could probably be a Taoist. Many parallels with Christianity. But Christ showed us He is "the Tao, the truth and the life".

Very true that Christ is the eternal Tao - and when considering how things play out, there's a reason there was some much exchange between Buddhists and Christians at various points....AS Buddhism in many respects did have what can be considered as previews for things to come. Orthodox monk, Dr. Hieromonk Damascene (who was a Buddhist previously before coming to Christ) noted this extensively in his work "Christ the Eternal Tao"



Love the book as it's one of my favorites. The concept of Christ pre-figuring concepts within world religions (Buddhism included). Partial truth, if one wishes to call it such, was given as a foreshadow of what was to come later...or what had already come (as Islam, in example, came after the Church began). Ancient Faith Radio did a series on the issue of how in some cultures, it seems that they were already being prepared for the presentation of the Gospel…with it being established that GOD was at work in all cultures far before any others with revelation of what the Hebrews had came around. ....IF going online and checking out "Christ the Eternal Tao - Ancient Faith Radio". And for anyone else interested, For an excellent review on the issue, one can go to Book Review: Christ the Eternal Tao - Sacred Connections.

I greatly appreciate the ways that the author (who considered himself a Buddhist, specifically, in the Zen tradition) noted in Christ the Eternal Tao how Lao Tzu’s Tao Teh Ching as a foreshadowing of what would be revealed by Christ, and Lao Tzu himself as a Far-Eastern prophet of the Incarnate God.

And likewise, when it comes to Buddhism, there are an extensive amount of ways in which Christ is truly the true definition of what it means to be enlightened.

And in many presentations, if done right, it can truly glorify the Lord.


I thought it was interesting to see from an Eastern Christian perspective how the Tao Te Ching is presented as an imperfect, incomplete foreshadowing of what would later be revealed by Christ. I so appreciated how Hieromonk Damascene explains the Orthodox Christian view of ancient religions evident in Christ the Eternal Tao and in his approach to the Tao Teh Ching..

As an aside, there are many things I like from Buddhist culture besides the Tao. I love their commitment to peace and seeing the way life transpires and the need to be de-attached - similar to Solomon in what he noted with Ecclesiastes 5 as well as Ecclessiates 11-12 when seeing how much materialism did not matter and life could not be valued if we only cared for ourselves. Dr. King actually had a very vibrant with another Buddhist who helped him in his struggles and I loved the conversations they had on the matter

For how we work makes a world of difference and this is something that I am glad for real-life practical demonstrations on. Specifically, I am reminded of the work of Thich Nhat Han - who actively worked with Dr. Martin Luther King and whose example of self-sacrifice has been inspiring. For more information about him, Dr. Martin Luther King recommended him when it came to his work in Vietnam. ...and for For more on where King was very open showing his support for others in differing religions when it came to common struggles, you can go here to see his Nobel Peace Prize nonimation (http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/theme/3371 )


Powerful demonstrations of walking the right path and seeing justice played out



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One can go both here ( http://plumvillage.org/press-releas...uther-kings-dream-comes-true-in-mississsippi/ ) and here (http://www.charterforcompassion.org...-peace/thich-nhat-hanh-and-martin-luther-king ) as it concerns seeing how Thich Nhat Hanh and Martin Luther King’s dream came true in Mississsippi

The dynamic of practical Buddhism is something that's missing today in many respects when it comes to being concerned for making a difference rather than being focused on the more esoteric aspects of life....


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Well, since European culture was dominated by Christianity until the advent of the 20th century, pretty much every piece of art, music, architecture, and literature produced between ca. 1000 and 1800 was at the very least influenced by this religion, if not downright religious to begin with.

Case in point: William Shakespeare may not have aimed to produce sacral art, but his plays are rendered decidedly less accessible if you do not understand the biblical allusions and references contained therein. Mozart wasn't much of a believer, yet he *did* write sacral music explicitly intended for churches and their services. The Renaissance painters produced almost nothing but representations of Biblical scenes, the Dutch masters painted at least some scenes that alluded to things like the Last Judgment, and so forth.

I love Bernini's "The Ecstasy of St. Teresa", by the way.

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Beautiful example and something the OP discussion was more than aimed for thanks for sharing. I love the way Christianity influenced the artwork of Europe :)
 
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I can appreciate something about every religion I'm familiar with, but instead of going to the trouble of a long list tonight, I may chime in on whatever others bring up. \
Some thoughts that I have....

I love what has been present in Paganism when seeing how much love of nature is truly present and the world is seen in a Supernatural manner. The fact that many comic books have ended up making stories based on Pagan figures (like Thor from Norse Mythology, as shared before here) is a big deal. And with Paganism, as mentioned before, the ways of peace offered by CHristianity simply mirrored what was practiced in their own nature-based religions.....and they were content with that. Some of this was brought up before in discussion between us when it came to how Christianity developed:

I've generally had an affinity towards most Animistic spirituality (which I realize is hardly exclusive to Asia) for a long time now. I'm not sure what draws me to it, I think the lack of a rigid structure and restrictive rules maybe but it is pretty central to certain cultures and isn't wide open.
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For myself, when seeing the Animistic spirituality aspect, I couldn't help but be reminded on Christianity and the ways others for it have addressed.....for many are not aware of the ways that Christ addresses Folk Religions..


And in the event you've not heard of it, Christian Animism is something many have noted over the years more and more.... as seen in Defining an Animistic Worldview : The Missiology Homepage and Animism: The Default Religion of the World - Missions Mandate and Animism: - International Journal of Frontier Missions


Read a really amazing book on the issue recently called "Along the Silk Road" as it concerns the Silk Road - and it was amazing seeing the different religions that came together/interacted, as well as how they developed - from animism to theism. From Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan to Tajikistan ...to Kashgar, China, to Istanbul, Turkey and so many others pertaining to the peoples of Central Asia and their rich cultures. ...and religious experiences...


...... there always seems to be a lot of interaction with Animism, Secularism and Theism ......Animistic salvation is utilitarian, selfish, human-directed, and this-worldly....for an animist is chiefly concerned with self as he he seeks power to fulfill his own earthly needs... but conversely, Christian salvation is a response to grace, altruistic and self-giving, God-focused, and includes the immediate as well as the eternal. For a Christian, unlike the earthly focused animist, seeks to fulfill the purposes of God.

Having to do a research project on St. Patrick, I was recently amazed at the ways he went about handling it. For Christianity had a toe-hold in Ireland before Patrick, but the religion in Ireland before Patrick was animism IN ADDITION to belief in superstition, omens, soothsaying, magic, curses and the power of sacred places.

Like the people in Korra's universe when it came to the spirits, the Irish also believed many unpredictable supernatural forces – including shape shifting hidden dangers. Patrick too believed in supernatural force but all coming from a good and loving God. At one point, Patrick made his way to the Hill of Tara, Co. Meath, seat of the high king of Ireland. Arriving on the eve of Easter, he lit a paschal fire on the nearby Hill of Slane. At this time of year, it was pagan practice to put out all fires before a new one was lit at Tara. When the druids at Tara saw the light from Slane, they warned King Laoghaire that he must extinguish it or it would burn forever...but. Patrick was summoned to Tara, and on the way he and his followers chanted the hymn known as "The Lorica" or "Saint Patrick's Breastplate".

Although Laoghaire remained a pagan, he was so impressed by the saint that he gave him permission to make converts throughout his realm. Muirchu's Life of Patrick, written two centuries later, describes a contest of magic in which Laoghaire's druids had to concede victory to the saint. And later Patrick travelled widely in Ireland, making converts and establishing new churches, though he eventually made his headquarters at Armagh.

There's a lot that can be seen with the vibrant gospel witness of Celtic Christians. With St. Patrick, his evangelizing the pagans of Ireland has much to be commended for our day since they lived in Christian community while living in close proximity to those who worshipped many gods. By voice of their preaching and example of gospel living together in good works, Celtic Christianity spread rapidly over Ireland. Their faith was alive to creation with God the Trinity as the great creator. Their theology was very practical and suited to a simple farming people and they did not deal in some of the abstract theologizing that lead to debate throughout the empire. They were faithful to the truth but contextualized it for the agrarian Celts whose historical ties were deep with creation. This is seen powerfully in the Irish prayer known as “Saint Patrick’s Breastplate” (mentioned earlier) dating to perhaps a century or so after Patrick. Though the form that survives most likely is not from the pen of Patrick, yet it certainly encapsulates the Christian faith he established amongst this once barbarous people. It is a prayer dancing with both God and the natural world and ends with a phrase familiar to many who have heard of Patrick.
Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ in me, Christ below me, Christ above me, Christ to the right of me, Christ to the left of me, Christ where I lie, Christ where I sit, Christ where I stand, Christ in the heart of everyone who thinks of me, Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me, Christ in every eye which sees me, Christ in every ear which hears me.
More can be found in the book entitled "How the Irish Saved Civilization " by Thomas Cahill ...excellent study



As he noted:
The difference between Patrick’s magic and the magic of the druids is that in Patrick’s world all beings and events come from the hand of a good God, who loves human beings and wishes them success.....

This magical world, though full of adventure and surprise, is no longer full of dread. Rather, Christ has trodden all pathways before us, and at every crossroads and by every tree the Word of God speaks out. We have only to be quiet and listen, as Patrick learned to do during the silence of his “novitiate” as a shepherd on the slopes of Sliabh Mis. | This sense of the world as holy, as the Book of God — as a healing mystery, fraught with divine messages — could never have risen out of Greco-Roman civilization, threaded with the profound pessimism of the ancients and their Platonic suspicion of the body as unholy and the world as devoid of meaning....

“It seems that as some point in the development of every culture, human sacrifice becomes unthinkable, and animals are from then on substituted for human victims…At all events, the Irish had not reached this point and were still sacrificing human beings to their gods when Patrick began his mission…Patrick declared that such sacrifices were no longer needed. Christ has died once for all…Yes, the Irish would have said, here is a story that answers our deepest needs – and answers them in a way so good that we could never even have dared dream of it. We can put away our knives and abandon our altars. These are no longer required. The God of the Three Faces has given us his own Son, and we are washed clean in the blood of this lamb. God does not hate us; he loves us. Greater love than this no man has than that he should lay down his life for his friends. That is what God’s Word, made flesh, did for us. From now on, we are all sacrifices – but without the shedding of blood. It is our lives, not our deaths that this God wants. But we are to be sacrifices, for Paul adds to the hymn this advice to all: ‘Let this [same] mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.’ .













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But with that said, the stories of things such as Camelot and Merlin and the magical aspects of the culture are always things that stand out to me....that there are differing creatures/beings in the world and the world is more mysterious than people give credit for.
One of my favorite films on the issue is Merlin :)


African Cultures, on a different note, are things which astound me when seeing how much focus goes on the community and one's ancestors. You are never seen separate from where you came from and how you live reflects on those coming before you, yet you can call on their memories for encouragement.

With Middle Eastern/Near-Eastern cultures, it's fascinating to me to see the ways that they understand the reality of the world being stewarded by what's known as The Divine Council - seeing the way that there was an understanding that the universe had order.

With Asian religions, I love the way that Temples/Sacred spaces are taken seriously.


More could be said besides that, but I am taking my time gradually sharing as everyone else can.
 
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I was going to mention earlier that if there'd never been the Christ, I could probably be a Taoist. Many parallels with Christianity. But Christ showed us He is "the Tao, the truth and the life".

Just like the Buddhism. Daoism has the original version and the elaborated version. They are all products human wisdom. Quite good, but not as incredible as Christianity.
 
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I'll have to re-read some of the gospels. Never aligned Jesus with Taoist thought but worth examining. When I think of Wu Wei I don't think of Jesus.

Jesus teaches us to trust. This is the idea echoed by Wu Wei. The nature is created by God and it contains a lot of God's wisdom. Wu Wei is not doing nothing, but is trying to follow the nature. And we can not follow the nature without understand the nature first. So one could be quite busy in Wu Wei.
 
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Jesus teaches us to trust. This is the idea echoed by Wu Wei. The nature is created by God and it contains a lot of God's wisdom. Wu Wei is not doing nothing, but is trying to follow the nature. And we can not follow the nature without understand the nature first. So one could be quite busy in Wu Wei.

The Tao is acceptance of the nature of existence and its experiences. Christianity is the anti-Tao from my experience with it. It forces you to go against the flow more often then with it, which is utterly against the Tao. Whether that's it's original intention I do not know, but it's clear that Christianity is against the world while the Tao teaches one to ride the world like someone would ride a wave on a surf board.

Wu Wei isn't doing nothing, but it is doing what is appropriate at the time buy not doing what isn't. Most of my time in Christianity wasn't 'wu wei'. It was the exact opposite. Your experiences may very of course.
 
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The Tao is acceptance of the nature of existence and its experiences...Christianity is against the world while the Tao teaches one to ride the world like someone would ride a wave on a surf board.

I edited and isolated those two portions of what you said because I think it's important that you're conflating "nature" and "the world". The "world" as used in Christianity is usually a negative word which pertains to the things which can be bad in human interaction, like world systems, "worldly" ways of thinking, government, war, greed, trendiness, social status, competition, etc. It's not the same as "nature" spoken of in Taoism.
 
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The "world" as used in Christianity is usually a negative word which pertains to the things which can be bad in human interaction, like world systems, "worldly" ways of thinking, government, war, greed, trendiness, social status, competition, etc.

The Tao is also hidden in all of that. All those things you mention are not always 'positive' (for lack of a better word) things, but sometimes they have to be accepted to follow the Tao. The essence of the Tao is acceptance.

Anyways this is running this happy little thread off course. I know many Christians like to say Jesus is the Tao or the Buddha or whatever other system that can be absorbed into their idea of Christ. I will move along as not to disrupt this thread further. apologies to the OP.
 
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...sometimes they have to be accepted to follow the Tao. The essence of the Tao is acceptance.

Which is why Christianity also says to "render unto Caesar", and to obey the civil authorities, etc.. :)
 
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Some thoughts that I have....

I love what has been present in Paganism when seeing how much love of nature is truly present and the world is seen in a Supernatural manner. The fact that many comic books have ended up making stories based on Pagan figures (like Thor from Norse Mythology, as shared before here) is a big deal. And with Paganism, as mentioned before, the ways of peace offered by CHristianity simply mirrored what was practiced in their own nature-based religions.....and they were content with that. Some of this was brought up before in discussion between us when it came to how Christianity developed:

Yes, recognizing that nature is supernatural is a great insight, perhaps the great genius, of much paganism. It also proclaimed many noble human virtues that all of humanity can admire. As far as the stories themselves, and pertaining to that thread you linked, a long time ago I came across a website that was made by a couple of Christians and totally devoted to showing that C. S. Lewis was not a Christian simply because he admired and referenced pagan literature! I was amazed. Some people can't see the forest for the Pan. :)

But with that said, the stories of things such as Camelot and Merlin and the magical aspects of the culture are always things that stand out to me....that there are differing creatures/beings in the world and the world is more mysterious than people give credit for.

Yes. :oldthumbsup:
 
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The Tao is acceptance of the nature of existence and its experiences. Christianity is the anti-Tao from my experience with it. It forces you to go against the flow more often then with it, which is utterly against the Tao. Whether that's it's original intention I do not know, but it's clear that Christianity is against the world while the Tao teaches one to ride the world like someone would ride a wave on a surf board.

Wu Wei isn't doing nothing, but it is doing what is appropriate at the time buy not doing what isn't. Most of my time in Christianity wasn't 'wu wei'. It was the exact opposite. Your experiences may very of course.

Most Christian teachings go against people, not go against nature.
Daoism entrusts the nation and the society into the "natural trend". No policy goes against the "trend". In this sense, Daoism is actually a philosophy, not a religion. All it suggested is only a part of Christianity.
 
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Daoism entrusts the nation and the society into the "natural trend". No policy goes against the "trend". In this sense, Daoism is actually a philosophy, not a religion. All it suggested is only a part of Christianity.
Good point..
 
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