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Hmmmm. Like telling the truth when stating all of Christ's commands in the Gospels are perfectly obeyed without slip or deviation
Hmmmm. Like telling the truth when stating all of Christ's commands in the Gospels are perfectly obeyed without slip or deviation
At this point with your posts, I cannot tell where it is you stand on this issue.
If you mean obeying Christ's literal commands in the Gospels. In decades of going to various churches, including charismatic churches, I have never found one person who has even tried to obey each and every command of Christ when he walked this earth. But the internet is occasionally differentAt this point with your posts, I cannot tell where it is you stand on this issue.
If you mean obeying Christ's literal commands in the Gospels. In decades of going to various churches, including charismatic churches, I have never found one person who has even tried to obey each and every command of Christ when he walked this earth. But the internet is occasionally different
Yes, I know in some charismatic churches they like to give the air of sinlessness.It is rare in my circle of believers to find someone who does sin. Maybe try another body of believers.
If you mean obeying Christ's literal commands in the Gospels. In decades of going to various churches, including charismatic churches, I have never found one person who has even tried to obey each and every command of Christ when he walked this earth. But the internet is occasionally different
No! You have to discern scripture, and especially regarding this subject. There is two very different types of sinningNo, the issue of Can you be SINLESS?
Putting it into it's proper perspective.
As a Born Again Believer in Christ Jesus, "Can you be SINLESS?"
Yes, I know in some charismatic churches they like to give the air of sinlessness.
Speaking of Gal ch2:Come to think of it, the issue isn't or shouldn't be, can a Believer in Christ be sinless, but rather, Can a Believer in Christ SIN?
Love is the first casualty of this thinkingYes, those who have the Holy Spirit guiding them are naturally sinless, as they are doing what comes naturally to their new nature.
No! You have to discern scripture, and especially regarding this subject. There is two very different types of sinning
1) a person wants in their heart to follow after Christ, and their general lifestyle is one of obedience. They hate their imperfections and do not want them, however, they cannot obey the letter perfectly, no one can, so they will commit sin of some form or another inevitably.
2)There is living a lifestyle of sin and not being bothered about it.
Two very different things, hence 1John1:8&1John3:9
They are not hard to reconcile. In 1John1:8 John is speaking in the present tense and including himself in the weYou need to understand that 1 john 3 was written AFTER 1 John 1 and them reconcile the two or you have caused 1 John 1 to Contradict 1 John 3.
It isn't two differing types of sin because, Jesus paid the price for all sin.
If Gods' Holy Spirit resides in the Heart of the Born Again Believer, he (the Believer) cannot sin.
Anyone who does sin is not a child of God but a child of the Devil.
Whose child are you?
Love is the first casualty of this thinking
I believe it is pointless to debate with anyone who can so casually lie without conscience whilst claiming sinlessness. Matt23 comes to mindDo you really believe that Jesus didn't fully free us from sin? Do you believe He just freed us from the law, and gave us no power of the Spirit to make us righteous and acceptable to God? Do you even know how powerful the Spirit is?
They are not hard to reconcile. In 1John1:8 John is speaking in the present tense and including himself in the we
If you asked the vast majority of Christians if you had to be sinless in order to be saved, they would respond 'No!' For they know no one is perfect in the flesh (1John1:8)
If you asked the vast majority of Christians if you can be a Christian if you live a sinfull lifestyle, they would also respond No(1John3:9)
I believe it is pointless to debate with anyone who can so casually lie without conscience whilst claiming sinlessness. Matt23 comes to mind
Speaking of Gal ch2:
But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker. verses17&18
If you are in Christ you are born again.
They are not hard to reconcile. In 1John1:8 John is speaking in the present tense and including himself in the we
If you asked the vast majority of Christians if you had to be sinless in order to be saved, they would respond 'No!' For they know no one is perfect in the flesh (1John1:8)
If you asked the vast majority of Christians if you can be a Christian if you live a sinfull lifestyle, they would also respond No(1John3:9)
Now I am confused, if you do not have to be sinless to be saved, and if you are saved you are born again, I do not see how this equates with you stating born again Christians cannot or do not sinWould you explain verses 17,18 for me?
You haven't reconciled them you have misinterpreted them.
No one is saying, you have to be sinless in order to be saved, I would also respond NO to that question.
The answer NO to the second question is correct also.
The problem we are having seems to be that where I say, "I cannot sin" you are saying "you can and do sin" on a regular basis.
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