Can you be saved not believing Jesus is God?

[zoidar]

What do you think? Can a person that believes Jesus is the Son, but not God be saved?

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Of course. Salvation isn't based on believing Jesus is God.

 

[mkgal1]

Romans 5:8
But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

1 John 4:19
We love because He first loved us.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

I would say a Christian who doesn't know that Jesus is God has not understood much, but a new believer who just realized that Jesus is the Saviour they need will be saved without further understanding of God's being.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

What do you think? Can a person that believes Jesus is the Son, but not God be saved?

So if someone does not believe in these statements; " I Am in My Father and My Father is in Me, " or in this statement, " before Abraham was, I Am " , or this statement, "God was manifest in the flesh", Then I would say they have a different Gospel.
Be blessed.

 

[mkgal1]

Dave L posted an excellent illustration of how only Jesus saves (it's not based on anything we do):

Works; A building is on fire. All are unconscious. A voice comes over the PA. If you crawl on the floor, there will be less smoke since heat rises. We cannot legally come in to rescue anyone without their permission. So if any hear this voice, crawl as fast as you can and find an exit. There’s plenty of fresh air out here and the Red Cross has coffee and donuts.

Grace; A building is on fire, all are unconscious. A team of Fire Fighters with oxygen advance through the smoke grabbing as many as possible, dragging and carrying them to safety. Where they resuscitate and care for the victims- Grace and works illustrated.

 

[mkgal1]

So if someone does not belive in these statments? " I Am in My Father and My Father is in Me " Or in this statement? " Before Abraham was IAm " Or this statement? " .."God was manifest in the flesh"
Then I would say they have a different Gospel.
Be blessed.

I think being saved is different than our interpretation of the Gospel message.

Episcopalians believe we were saved when Christ died and defeated death through His resurrection. It may take some people a long time to acknowledge that, though. IOW.....salvation is one thing - recognition of that salvation is another part of the equation.

 

[Albion]

What do you think? Can a person that believes Jesus is the Son, but not God be saved?

If he's "the Son," of whom is he a son?

 

[Basketball]

I think you should believe Jesus is God. The bibles states that Jesus is God. It probably isn't a must when it comes to being saved.

 

[Benam]

To believe Jesus is the Son, but not God, is to deny the Trinity. No?

 

[miamited]

What do you think? Can a person that believes Jesus is the Son, but not God be saved?

Hi zoidar,

I don't think recognizing that Jesus is God is a necessity of one's coming salvation. After all, Isaiah wrote to us that God calls Jesus His servant.

God bless,
ted

 

[mikeforjesus]

No you can’t be saved without believing Jesus is God. That is why people have to seek the truth to find it to be saved. There is no proof He is not God and evidence He seems to be so being unwilling to believe may be what condemns one. It is one being a true seeker that is necessary. But I believe those who seek can come to the conclusion to believe He is and it could be necessary

 

[Hammster]

What do you think? Can a person that believes Jesus is the Son, but not God be saved?

You have to believe that Jesus is who He is. Otherwise, you are believing in a Jesus of your own creation.

 

[pescador]

That's kind of a philosophical question. If people understand that Jesus is the Son (which He is) but don't understand that He is also God doesn't understand the position of a son in a Biblical household. In Luke 15 it says, “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.‘“ In Biblical times the oldest son received everything from the father. That was also the case with Jacob and Esau. Esau was the oldest and was supposed to receive Isaac's birthright.

That is the case with Jesus. He was with God in the beginning and God handed everything over to Him after the resurrection. It is an important Biblical principle.

 

[mikeforjesus]

But the Father and the Son are not separate beings

 

[pescador]

But the Father and the Son are not separate beings

Why do you say this? God is the Father, Jesus is His son. John 1:1-3 clearly shows this...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."

Also, Matthew 3:17, "And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

And Matthew 17:5, "While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

Clearly Jesus is separate from the Father and did not say these words.

 

[zoidar]

Thanks for the replies! I'm not sure myself, that's why the question. I don't even remember what I believed when I got saved, more than that God had sent His Son to die for our sins.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Jesus said My Father and I are one. Your belief is heresy. He was with the Father in the beginning because the Word is of the the Father from the beginning so He being the Son under the Father not as though under another being is begot because He is of the Father from the beginning of all ages. He is the express image of God. They are separate Persons in that the Son who is begotten of the Father in the sense of coming from Him reveals the personhood of the Father that the Son knows which can not be known without the Son He being from Him does not mean He is the Father but He is one with Him thus not separate beings but He shares His glory as He said He was to return to the glory He had with Him before the world was

 

[Hammster]

But the Father and the Son are not separate beings

They are separate Persons.

 

[Hammster]

Double post by accident

What’s the context?