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Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

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I've responded on the circle and the square. What did you want to say about it?
I am referring to this. Since you are arguing that Genesis doesn't talk about physical creation and therefore has nothing to do with the evolution debate, I am assuming that you didn't see it or chose to ignore it.

As shown above, Bible doesn't have to say anything about evolution in order to still apply to the question of where people came from. As stated in my original argument, from what we know right now, there are theological and moral implications that logically disprove evolution of humans.
 
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I am referring to this. Since you are arguing that Genesis doesn't talk about physical creation and therefore has nothing to do with the evolution debate, I am assuming that you didn't see it or chose to ignore it.
What do you want me to say about it? It's not really a logical argument. It's just you sharing a thought.
 
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We already went through this whole thing, and I pointed out a falsehood.

"So if Adam had parents, we are observing an event of speciation over one generation. Which, according to our theory of evolution is impossible. "

And for whatever reason, you're referencing the post again despite it continuing to contain this error.
 
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You never answered my question. How is that an error?
 
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What do you want me to say about it? It's not really a logical argument. It's just you sharing a thought.
You don't have to say anything about it. You just have to understand my point. Which, if you did, you would not be arguing about bara. Or if you disagreed with my point, then you could say why you disagree. Logically.
 
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You don't have to say anything about it. You just have to understand my point. Which, if you did, you would not be arguing about bara. Or if you disagreed with my point, then you could say why you disagree. Logically.
I don't really see an argument in it. It just looks like a long commentary on circles and squares without really clearly making a point.
 
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You never answered my question. How is that an error?
It's an error because speciation does occur over a single generation. Typically evolution is thought of in populations, but those populations still of course begin with single individuals. It starts when a parent essentially gives birth to a child of another species.
 
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That’s… not how speciation works.

Do you have any links to share to demonstrate that speciation in humans can happen over 1 generation?
 
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That’s… not how speciation works.

Do you have any links to share to demonstrate that speciation in humans can happen over 1 generation?
What I'm saying is that, essentially, the mutations that result in speciation, occur in single generations. It has to, because there's no logical concept of an animal or a population that exists between one species and another. At some point, the very first individual of a species must be born, in which case, that event involves a parent having offspring of another species.

Not in terms of scientific definition involving fixation, but in terms of, the physical occurrences that produce a new species.

So for example, at some point in time, the very first human, was born. Even if their mutations that make them human had not yet made it's way throughout the population.
 
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No. You don’t understand speciation. But I am not going to try and explain how it works. After the bara discussion, you can just have it your way.
 
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No. You don’t understand speciation. But I am not going to try and explain how it works. After the bara discussion, you can just have it your way.

I understand the subject just fine. Speciation ultimately begins with mutations that occur in individuals. You can't have a new species without beginning with mutations that define that species, originating from individuals.
 
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I understand the subject just fine. Speciation ultimately begins with mutations that occur in individuals. You can't have a new species without beginning with mutations that define that species, originating from individuals.
Right, but they are small changes accumulated over time over many generations. It does not happen over one generation. A mother does not give birth to a baby of a different species.
 
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I understand the subject just fine. Speciation ultimately begins with mutations that occur in individuals. You can't have a new species without beginning with mutations that define that species, originating from individuals.
In the theory of evolution, you're either one species or another. There are sub species, but those are still classified within one species or another.

There is no gray area of being classified as two species at once. No such thing as an in-between species. Even transitional fossils are still identified as individual species of their spectrum.

And so what that means is, at some point in time, one species does give birth to another, mother to child, one species to another.
 
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Speciation does not happen over one generation. A mother does not give birth to a baby of a different species.
In the theory of evolution, you're either one species or another. There are sub species, but those are still classified within one species or another.

There is no gray area of being classified as two species at once. No such thing as an in-between species. Even transitional fossils are still identified as individual species of their spectrum.

And so what that means is, at some point in time, one species does give birth to another, mother to child, one species to another.
 
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Right, but they are small changes accumulated over time over many generations. It does not happen over one generation. A mother does not give birth to a baby of a different species.
If a mother never gives birth to a baby of a new species, then where does the new species come from (according to the theory)? Outer space?

That's a rhetorical question btw. You don't seem to understand the subject yourself.
 
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If a mother never gives birth to a baby of a new species, then where does the new species come from? Outer space?

That's a rhetorical question btw. You don't seem to understand the subject yourself.
Lol. Ok. Whatever you say.
 
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Lol. Ok. Whatever you say.
Go ahead and answer the question.

According to the theory of evolution, if a mother never gives birth to a child of a new species, then where do you think new species come from?
 
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Go ahead and answer the question.

According to the theory of evolution, if a mother never gives birth to a child of a new species, then where do you think new species come from?
Are you kidding me? I will not answer your question. Sorry. You can find the answer on YouTube if you like.
 
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Go ahead and answer the question.

According to the theory of evolution, if a mother never gives birth to a child of a new species, then where do you think new species come from?

You see, you're confusing taxonomic classification with the actual mechanisms that make evolution unfold gradually.

Evolution occurs gradually, through populations over time. Descent with modification. It involves mutations that, when beneficial, become fixated and dispersed in a population.

Taxonomy however, isn't gradual. It's an artificial rigid boundary set on gradual transitions to help us differentiate between animals.

There is no point in which an animal, a single individual, is in transition between one species and another. There are subspecies, but even subspecies are identified under one species or another. There is no subspecies that is outside of any individual species classification.

Which means that though the process is gradual, mothers do give birth to children of other species. The classification change is abrupt despite the real world process being gradual.
 
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