Not moral leader. The pastor is a spiritual leader. And the man of the house also serves as the spiritual leader.
Hi, just catching up on this thread. I think moral leadership is somewhat incorporated into the spiritual leadership, since God gave us the law. But I agree that both head of the household and the pastor serves in this leadership role.
I seriously have to take issue with this.That is NOT how the New Covenant works. It is "opt in," meaning that each individual must make their OWN decision to join it.In a family scenario, the children are under the parents in their salvation.
I seriously have to take issue with this.That is NOT how the New Covenant works. It is "opt in," meaning that each individual must make their OWN decision to join it.
Well I'm following God and his elect not masculinism. Paul had an appearance experience with Christ, ordaining him an apostle.Pauls early evangelism laid the foundation for the christian church. Paul says women should be silent and have no authority over men.
Peter is arguably the leader of the apostles if the Gospels are accurate and he proclaims woman the 'weaker vessel' to men.
Two of the highest ranking men of Christ condemn women as preachers. So this is not my discriminatory opinion, this is the work of God.
Deny him at your own peril.
I've read all the bible and no part of it supports women preaching over men.
Romans was written by Paul and Paul wrote Corinthians, ' women should be silent and have no authority over men'.
I think you are just being argumentative.
I seriously have to take issue with this.That is NOT how the New Covenant works. It is "opt in," meaning that each individual must make their OWN decision to join it.
Perhaps you are over reading it.Since you're convinced in your own mind, maybe you shed some light on these passages? It's not so cut and dry. The verb hagiazō which @Paidiske referred to means to santify. Sanctification is the result of salvation. Below is Strong's definition:
ἁγιάζω hagiázō, hag-ee-ad'-zo; from G40; to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:—hallow, be holy, sanctify.
Perhaps you are over reading it.
Paul was a Pharisee and trained under the best Torah scholar of the day: Gamaliel the great, grandson of Rabbi Hillel. Those who entered such schools as Beit Hillel started at about age 5. As such, his thinking would have been thoroughly immersed in what we call Biblical Hebrew instead of Greek. So the word you REALLY need to be looking at is Kadosh.
Which is why God appointed Deborah to be judge of all Israel, I suppose.
Women were not created to be subordinate, but to be companions for men.
No.
I know men who are incapable of leading. And to say that women are more prone to deceit, implies that we were made that way - that God made us with a flaw.
Isaiah 3:12 is a proof text which is often quoted to "prove" a point.
In fact, a king was ruling the country at the time. A king who had a harem, and possibly many wives, and was letting them influence him. Ahab was also influenced by a woman - because he had disobeyed God's law and married someone from outside Israel; someone who worshipped other gods and tried to impose idol worship on Israel. The fault was with the men who were weak and disobedient. When GOD calls and raises up a woman to do something, the outcome is different.
If people - both men and women - don't remain loyal and obedient to God, they can be led astray by anyone.
I had to edit my last post because it's true to what Genesis teaches. I admit that I as well can be influenced by today's feminist corruption and can second guess the message in attempts not to offend.
That sounds orthodox for many indulgences due.It is true that a tiny fraction of feminists can be extreme but "corrupt" is a far too strong a word particularly when there have been many centuries of toxic patriarchy.
Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions…for safety on the streets…for child care, for social welfare…for rape crisis centers, women’s refuges, reforms in the law. If someone says, “Oh, I’m not a feminist,” I ask, “Why, what’s your problem?”
Actually indulgences were offered in the early church for acts of kindness or charity. Usually it was things like helping someone work their field or build a home. Then much later it began to become abused in exchange for tithes.
That sounds orthodox for many indulgences due.
It is true that a tiny fraction of feminists can be extreme but "corrupt" is a far too strong a word particularly when there have been many centuries of toxic patriarchy.
Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions…for safety on the streets…for child care, for social welfare…for rape crisis centers, women’s refuges, reforms in the law. If someone says, “Oh, I’m not a feminist,” I ask, “Why, what’s your problem?”
Since you're convinced in your own mind, maybe you shed some light on these passages? It's not so cut and dry. The verb hagiazō which @Paidiske referred to means to santify. Sanctification is the result of salvation. Below is Strong's definition:
ἁγιάζω hagiázō, hag-ee-ad'-zo; from G40; to make holy, i.e. (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate:—hallow, be holy, sanctify.
1Co 7:13 If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.
1Co 7:16 For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?
Could it be that this was only in effect during that time when the gospel was first being taught? Maybe. But it's being taught today.
"Deny him" - did Jesus condemn women as pastors?
Of course they can. They simply should not have recognized positions of authority or teaching in the Church.
This is your history feminism.
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