Can we really commnunicate directly with Christ?

[znr]

guffaw

Nah, nothing having to do with money.

 

[Hentenza]

I haven't been here long enough, but I have heard different reasons from different people. If the civil discussion was the entire reason, other areas would have been banned as well, because I have seen some very uncivil discussions in other areas.

The bible is obviously sacred to many Christians, especially those of the fundamentalist flavor and a thorough objective historical analysis of the same, is not meant with open minds.

I was directly involved in the decision to remove GA. The behavioral problem in GA easily surpassed all other forums put together and was the determining factor for its removal.

 

[Hentenza]

The burning in hell for eternity.

Revelation 20 among many.

 

[Paradoxum]

You just know.

That's not a good reason. Some could 'just know' that they are Jesus, or that they are being watched by the Illuminati. It's just psychology.

 

[bhsmte]

I was directly involved in the decision to remove GA. The behavioral problem in GA easily surpassed all other forums put together and was the determining factor for its removal.

So, the decision had zero to do with directly questioning the bible? Or, the behavior had nothing to do with people questioning the bible?

 

[Hentenza]

That's not a good reason.

It is for me.

 

[bhsmte]

It is for me.

That's all that matters, for you personally.

 

[Hentenza]

That's all that matters, for you personally.

It is but simply because I experienced it.

 

[Hentenza]

So, the decision had zero to do with directly questioning the bible? Or, the behavior had nothing to do with people questioning the bible?

Yep.

 

[bhsmte]

It is but simply because I experienced it.

Sure, I don't question whether the experience you claim, is real to you.

 

[bhsmte]

Yep.

Ok.

 

[znr]

Rev 20 indicates the lake of fire as second death. Says nothing of eternity. Also, it's perfectly acceptable, in my mind anyway, to question hell existing in a place that burn people with fire eternally; unless hell is a place that defies fire as we know it, in which case fire wouldn't consume anything. I personally have concluded that hell stops life from existing at all. Also, I've noticed the reference to "soul sleep" intertwined and seems to be implied. Maybe the SDAs are on to something.

Revelation 20 among many.

 

[Hentenza]

Rev 20 indicates the lake of fire as second death. Says nothing of eternity. Also, it's perfectly acceptable, in my mind anyway, to question hell existing in a place that burn people with fire eternally; unless hell is a place that defies fire as we know it, in which case fire wouldn't consume anything. I personally have concluded that hell stops life from existing at all. Also, I've noticed the reference to "soul sleep" intertwined and seems to be implied. Maybe the SDAs are on to something.

I believe that Rev. 20 does in fact teach the eternal quality of the lake of fire. Compare verses 10 with 13 and 14. I don't believe in soul sleep or annihilation nor I do believe that the SDA's are up to "something" since, in addition to soul sleep and annihilation, they also believe that Michael the Archangel is Jesus, that the Sabbath is necessary for salvation, that the Jewish Law is still binding on Christians, their erroneous theologies of the heavenly sanctuary and the investigative judgment, and many, many others.

 

[znr]

I'm sure you must hav understood that I said (in regards to "soul sleep") the SDAs are on the something (possibly). I didn't imply I agree with all their beliefs, so hold the bucking bronco! I also didn't say that I believe hell is not eternal, but I did say I don't see how people can burn there for enternity if the fire is the same fire we know. IOW, how can a fire burn something eternally since fire literally turns things to ash. I do tend to believe in annihilationism, myself, more so than I can be convinced fire won't completely annihilate solid matter.

I believe that Rev. 20 does in fact teach the eternal quality of the lake of fire. Compare verses 10 with 13 and 14. I don't believe in soul sleep or annihilation nor I do believe that the SDA's are up to "something" since, in addition to soul sleep and annihilation, they also believe that Michael the Archangel is Jesus, that the Sabbath is necessary for salvation, that the Jewish Law is still binding on Christians, their erroneous theologies of the heavenly sanctuary and the investigative judgment, and many, many others.

 

[Hentenza]

I'm sure you must hav understood that I said (in regards to "soul sleep") the SDAs are on the something (possibly). I didn't imply I agree with all their beliefs, so hold the bucking bronco! I also didn't say that I believe hell is not eternal, but I did say I don't see how people can burn there for enternity if the fire is the same fire we know. IOW, how can a fire burn something eternally since fire literally turns things to ash. I do tend to believe in annihilationism, myself, more so than I can be convinced fire won't completely annihilate solid matter.

lol Bucking bronco? Nice.

There are materials in the universe that burn for millions, even billions, of years. And these are only the ones that we have observed or know. It is not far fetch to posit that there could be material unknown to us that could burn for eternity. I think you are basing your theory only on material burning properties observed here on Earth.

 

[Paradoxum]

It is for me.

Well you're wrong. Something is either a justifying reason, or it isn't, opinion doesn't matter, and 'because I feel like it' isn't a justifying reason.

 

[znr]

Yeahbut...why would God want us to understand eternal things like everlasting fire on our very limited understanding of materials that burn for millions, even trillions of years? Eternity is never ending, not billions or billions of years. I don't know that we're supposed to be bothering with hell much, or lakes of fire. There are other reasons that someone would want to follow Christ. But anyway, I'm not trying to argue at all, just thinking out loud. We don't need to agree on these things, cowboy.

lol Bucking bronco? Nice.

There are materials in the universe that burn for millions, even billions, of years. And these are only the ones that we have observed or know. It is not far fetch to posit that there could be material unknown to us that could burn for eternity. I think you are basing your theory only on material burning properties observed here on Earth.

 

[bhsmte]

Well you are wrong. Something is either a justifying reason, or it isn't, your opinion doesn't matter.

You're no different than a delusional person if you can't give a justifying reason.

I think you are being too harsh.

If a person claims to have had a powerful personal experience, I take no issue with them claiming this is the reason they believe whatever it is they believe.

I would question the experience as it pertains to others with no objective evidence, but this does not mean the person doesn't truly believe what they claim.

I take issue when the person infers that others are missing something, because they have not had the same personal experiences and they either are not listening for God or reaching out to him or their experience means others should believe as they do. That, I have significant issues with.

 

[Hentenza]

Well you are wrong.

Well, I'm not.

Something is either a justifying reason, or it isn't, your opinion doesn't matter.

There are many things that do not have justifying reasons but you believe them anyway. This line of argumentation carries no weight. Simply because an explanation is presently not available does not mean that an explanation will not be available in the future.

You're no different than a delusional person if you can't give a justifying reason.

I guess that makes all of mankind delusional in one way or another. Welcome to the club.

 

[Hentenza]

I take issue when the person infers that others are missing something, because they have not had the same personal experiences and they either are not listening for God or reaching out to him or their experience means others should believe as they do. That, I have significant issues with.

This is true and I have the same issue with those.