Can we fall from grace ?

lori milne · Mar 18, 2015

No im implying that this word grace you all seem to use to sin is a word used mostly by Paul to reconvert the Pharisee and Jews he had a little bit of an obsession with it considering he him self was a Pharisee but he NEVER said you don't need to obey the law and Jesus him self used grace 4 times only
It's used 130+ times by Paul alone and only 150 times in the NT and 60+ times in the OT mostly in psalms and genesis translated grace meaning favor in your eyes like aberham & Noah because they were not workers of iniquity
Just a little fun fact

lori milne · Mar 18, 2015

God bless
Humbly your sister in Christ

lori milne · Mar 18, 2015

Grace is given and living sin free is worked for faith is believing Jesuses promise you can live sin free the law is a guide to doing so

com7fy8 · Mar 18, 2015

"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24)

The law is meant to bring us to Jesus, and now Jesus guides us better than the law could

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

Yes, God does forgive us, and He loves us "unconditionally", and now He calls us "children of God" (1 John 3:1) > meaning "we who first trusted in Christ" (Ephesians 1:12). So, no we are not called "sinners", but "saints" and "children of God". But if our Father forgives us and loves any and all of us, without condition, this is required of us. We are to - - need to - - - follow His example. This comes as His love in us (Romans 5:5) cures our character and nature and has us loving. This is discovering . . . not what we can guide ourselves to, not even using the law. Only God in His love in us can do this.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

So, this action of God's love in us is grace > God's redeeming action creating excellence. Grace is not only distant, but working . . . succeeding . . . in us. So, you don't fall from this > if God is succeeding in us, He keeps on succeeding. But ones fall before getting started in what really works, I consider

"So, trust Him for this correction > Hebrews 12:6-11."

But ones of us can get into isolation, letting things be all about us on our lonesome. And we can be independent, so we feel like it is all on us.

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

lori milne · Mar 18, 2015

Read anything out side of Paul's books in the NT what Jesus is teaching is to you , Paul's letters were to churches!

hmw · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
Habitual sin is iniquity

Hi lori,

You said in your first post that you were struggling with this issue, yet you seem convinced in the doctrine you push here. Can I suggest that if you're already convinced on which doctrine you wish to follow then it would be better not to present your case as one who is searching for answers.

BTW, you still have not given any scripture detailing what is "habitual" sin. As I said before, I've yet to find anybody who can give detail from scripture what is "habitual" sin. We can't just use such ambiguous terms like "habitual" and then just hope that nobody will ask what determines habitual.

Is habitual 7x70 offences?

Is the length of one's life taken into consideration in determining whether they are in to habitual sin?

Or are those with death bed salvation more blessed than those Christians who live for decades having to dodge the "habitual" sin bullet?

God is not ambiguous, but as the doctrine you follow about habitual sin is so ambiguous, then for it to have any credibility you must provide scripture detailing what determines habitual.

thepromiseofgrace · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
Grace is given and living sin free is worked for faith is believing Jesuses promise you can live sin free the law is a guide to doing so

the law is a list of do's and don'ts it does not tell you how to not sin, it does help you to become sinless in any way.
The law condemns but what it does do is show you that you need a saviour because you cannot do it alone.

thepromiseofgrace · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
No im implying that this word grace you all seem to use to sin is a word used mostly by Paul to reconvert the Pharisee and Jews he had a little bit of an obsession with it considering he him self was a Pharisee but he NEVER said you don't need to obey the law and Jesus him self used grace 4 times only
It's used 130+ times by Paul alone and only 150 times in the NT and 60+ times in the OT mostly in psalms and genesis translated grace meaning favor in your eyes like aberham & Noah because they were not workers of iniquity
Just a little fun fact

No one uses grace to sin, we all sin regardless of Grace or law.
the word says the law was fulfilled, if the law was so necessary why was it fulfilled.
The law is described as a fading glory and Grace even more glorious, it seems that Grace is what God intended.

the ot at the time were under a different covenant, they had no access to Grace through Jesus.

Noblemen · Mar 19, 2015

thepromiseofgrace said:
No one uses grace to sin, we all sin regardless of Grace or law.
the word says the law was fulfilled, if the law was so necessary why was it fulfilled.
The law is described as a fading glory and Grace even more glorious, it seems that Grace is what God intended.

the ot at the time were under a different covenant, they had no access to Grace through Jesus.

Very few times in this forum have i seen the scripture's rightly divided, as Paul would say. Good job, how else are you seeing grace, just wondering.

thepromiseofgrace · Mar 19, 2015

Noblemen said:
Very few times in this forum have i seen the scripture's rightly divided, as Paul would say. Good job, how else are you seeing grace, just wondering.

thank you.
I see Grace as a true unconditional gift from God , to access it you just need to have faith In Jesus, with Grace comes the free gift of righteousness, which is rightstanding with God from now on, that righteousness is the incorruptible righteousness of Jesus, God sees us through the righteousness of Jesus.

Grace is really a show of God's unconditional love, he has given it as a free gift in the hope that we not only accept it but utilise it in a manner that brings him the glory.

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

hmw said:
Hi lori, You said in your first post that you were struggling with this issue, yet you seem convinced in the doctrine you push here. Can I suggest that if you're already convinced on which doctrine you wish to follow then it would be better not to present your case as one who is searching for answers. BTW, you still have not given any scripture detailing what is "habitual" sin. As I said before, I've yet to find anybody who can give detail from scripture what is "habitual" sin. We can't just use such ambiguous terms like "habitual" and then just hope that nobody will ask what determines habitual. Is habitual 7x70 offences? Is the length of one's life taken into consideration in determining whether they are in to habitual sin? Or are those with death bed salvation more blessed than those Christians who live for decades having to dodge the "habitual" sin bullet? God is not ambiguous, but as the doctrine you follow about habitual sin is so ambiguous, then for it to have any credibility you must provide scripture detailing what determines habitual.

Habitual sin is iniquity

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

hmw said:
Hi lori, You said in your first post that you were struggling with this issue, yet you seem convinced in the doctrine you push here. Can I suggest that if you're already convinced on which doctrine you wish to follow then it would be better not to present your case as one who is searching for answers. BTW, you still have not given any scripture detailing what is "habitual" sin. As I said before, I've yet to find anybody who can give detail from scripture what is "habitual" sin. We can't just use such ambiguous terms like "habitual" and then just hope that nobody will ask what determines habitual. Is habitual 7x70 offences? Is the length of one's life taken into consideration in determining whether they are in to habitual sin? Or are those with death bed salvation more blessed than those Christians who live for decades having to dodge the "habitual" sin bullet? God is not ambiguous, but as the doctrine you follow about habitual sin is so ambiguous, then for it to have any credibility you must provide scripture detailing what determines habitual.

I am still searching for the answers

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ([bless and do not curse]Matthew‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]18-19‬ KJV)

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
I am still searching for the answers

The answer to the 77
God will wait for you but sin is like a thorn bush it's never going to be just one it untangles you and chokes you out
Your not in the spirit of your in the flesh so you are repenting from God.
Don't you have faith that the Lord can keep you from even wanting sin ! That's his promise!
You can't be in the fence God spits out the fence riders .
Satin offers only lies he said you can't eat the ape and you won't die/ That's a lie
God said if you eat the ape you will surly die!

thepromiseofgrace · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ([bless and do not curse]Matthew‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]18-19‬ KJV)

it's quite right, the law will last forever, it is the standard by which the unsaved will be judged by but for those who believe in faith on Jesus they will be saved by Grace, Jesus fulfilled the law so now there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

thepromiseofgrace · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
The answer to the 77
God will wait for you but sin is like a thorn bush it's never going to be just one it untangles you and chokes you out
Your not in the spirit of your in the flesh so you are repenting from God.
Don't you have faith that the Lord can keep you from even wanting sin ! That's his promise!
You can't be in the fence God spits out the fence riders .
Satin offers only lies he said you can't eat the ape and you won't die/ That's a lie
God said if you eat the ape you will surly die!

1 John 1:8-10New King James Version (NKJV)

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

thepromiseofgrace said:
it's quite right, the law will last forever, it is the standard by which the unsaved will be judged by but for those who believe in faith on Jesus they will be saved by Grace, Jesus fulfilled the law so now there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

Jesus DID NOT SAY THAT! It doesn't even kind of look like that In fact he said the opposite! Your basing your assumptions off of Paul's teachings which weren't to the saved it was for phrases and Jews that only follow the law not Jesus

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

This is from Jesus to all children of God and unsaved everyone that has ears!!

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]45-48‬ KJV)

lori milne · Mar 19, 2015

Why are these teachings being pushed aside by brethren and the churches today??

You can not live in Sin and in Christ
He promises you won't thirst for anything but him
You must have faith!

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. ([bless and do not curse]Matthew‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]18‬ KJV)

brinny · Mar 19, 2015

lori milne said:
Im struggling with this not because I feel what I do in any way will get me to heaven but what I do as of Sinning I feel there is a consequence what is it ? I don't see it and we as children of God should obey His request to be perfect as He is in heaven!? I seem to ruffle feathers every time this comes up?? And I know we sin but ware is the line between being strong and remembering he will not give us more in temptation then we can handle and saying we're sinners?! Doesn't this cause us to stumble more saying we are sinners versus were are redeemed and can repent why do so many lean more on we are week then we can be strong in Him?! And what's the consequence to being a slave to sin?! I'm scarred to ask my pastor in fear he'll think I'm unknowledgable !

The only "strength" any of us have is HIS, not ours. The only "perfection" any of us have is HIS, not ours. God sees HIS perfection and righteousness (not ours, because we have NONE), when Christ dwells in us through the Holy Spirit.

If we love any sin more than we love God, we got some stuff to talk to our heavenly Father about, through Jesus Christ. If we are sorry for our sins and reject them (repent, which means "turn away from") and turn instead to our heavenly Father, He forgives us, and what becomes evident is the "new" man/woman we are now become (new creation, as it is written).

God knows our heart. He knows if we harbor sins that we would rather have, than have HIM. If we struggle with this, we ask Him for Help. He is FAITHFUL and WILL help us if we seek Him about it with our whole heart.

We can also ask our brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us to God the Father. We ALL need each other. That's why God put us all here.

Prayer. Itz what we duz, sister.

May His grace and mercy be evident in a concrete and visible way as you seek Him. He is a delightful Father and He LOVES us, and that means YOU too. He loves you sister.

God bless you.

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