Can The Dead Talk Back to Us?

[Angeloffire]

If God told us not to communicate with the dead, wouldn't that mean it is possible?

 

[littletomatoes]

If God told us not to communicate with the dead, wouldn't that mean it is possible?

No. It just means that god already knows that the "ghosts" we contact will actually be demons in disguise. Think about it. there is a good reason god tells us NOT to try to contact the dead.

 

[Catherineanne]

Thank you for your explanation but I don't see any logic to it. How is it logical to you? Do you have any evidence for this assertion of yours? Or did you just make it up yourself?

Logic? You are trying to find an explanation for God through logic?

I think that is the most illogical thing I have ever heard.

The best place I can point you to is Elishah and Elijah and the vision of the heavenly host. No idea what the reference is, but someone will tell you if you can't find it.

The heavenly host is all around us all the time, but in what science would call another dimension, but what faith says is beyond the veil.

And, fwiw, I am not generally in the habit of constructing escatology for myself.

 

[Angeloffire]

Are you saying that God is not logical? What does the bible say that demons are? It doesn't does it?

I am an exorcist and scan and read forums for informational reasons and guess who I cast out of people? Dead people. Unclean spirits are the souls of the unsaved.

The disciples knew it and JEsus did too. It is in the Apocrypha 2 Esdra 7, the bible the disciples had. Derik Prince's book ch. 11 I think, says it well, without saying it. Just read his description, it is undeniable.

I can even show you how to see them on your own face and electronic expulsion has already been done and is the future of medicine.

There are many kinds of demons, but the ones who enter people are generally unclean spirits.

Other cultures already know this and even worship and make deals with them. They call them the djinn or Geeshun.

God said in Gen 6:3 that man had a promise of 120 years on the earth. God cannot lie. When an unsaved person dies, they stay on earth for 120 years, then they go to sheol to await judgement. This has been proven in over 40,000 exorcisms.

How do you think psycics get their info? And why is it they can't talk to saved people? Dead people not only talk to you every day, they live in you. They overlay your brain.

Samuel is a different case because Jesus hadn't died yet.

Talking to familiar spirits for advice and guidance was a crime punishable by death according to God's rules. The dead are not to be sought for advice for the living. I think the fact that they are in the realm of death is enough evidence that one shouldn't take advice from them.

I know this will step on some 'religious' toes, but it is the truth. Religion is a wicked thing, it killed my Lord and King and will kill you anyone who abides in it.

 

[Emmy]

Dear franklin. Christians know that God is a God of Love, in fact He is Love. Earth is the place where we learn to love, to resist temptation, to be come as God wants us to be, to spend eternity with Him and each other. A perfect Heavenly Father, in a perfect Heaven, with perfect sons and daughters. PERFECT LOVE, selfless with no strings attached. Can you think of a reason, why any redeemed child of God, would feel the need to talk to loved ones, still on Earth, still in the process of learning to become perfect, in loving God, and each other. Those of us who might be there already, know what is in store for our loved ones still on Earth. I can imagine that many prayers for those still on Earth, will be prayed and pleaded for. What else could be talked about? We have the Bible, God`s Word to Man, what more could the " Dead" say to us? I say this humbly and with conviction, franklin. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Bryan519]

There are allot of assumptions being made here that aren't grounded in scripture. I haven't read anything in the Bible that gives specifics as to when judgement actually occurs except in reference to the end times. Whether we "sleep" until the final judgement or we walk this earth as disembodied spirits...it seems to me the Bible is silent on this.

Yes, Deuteronomy speaks of how God admonished the Levites for engaging in Necromancy, which is the art of conjuring and talking to spirits in practicing divination, or fortune telling. No where in the Bible, that I read, does it imply that any spirit you talk to must be a demon. And by the way if I am wrong on any of this and someone can provide me scripture, please let me know.

But to answer your question...yes, I believe that something or someone may be able to communicate with you. I don't think it is clear yet, at least not to me, whether they are human spirits, demonic entities, or something entirely different. But based on a few personal experiences, I'd say they can.

 

[franklin]

Yes, it's possible.
But the Bible says not to do it.

Where in the bible does it say we shouldn't try to get in touch with those living in the after life?

 

[Bryan519]

Where in the bible does it say we shouldn't try to get in touch with those living in the after life?

"10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. " Deuteronomy 18:10-12

 

[franklin]

"10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. " Deuteronomy 18:10-12

Finally. Someone answered my question. Thank you sir. But why wouldn't God want us to at least find out how our aunt Sue or uncle Tony is doing in heaven or maybe, well, you know, that other place?

 

[Bryan519]

Finally. Someone answered my question. Thank you sir. But why wouldn't God want us to at least find out how our aunt Sue or uncle Tony is doing in heaven or maybe, well, you know, that other place?

I don't profess to speak on behalf of God, my guess would be that since you are attempting to access a plane of reality that we can niether see nor understand, there is a real vulnerablity to demonic influence - if you believe in that sort of thing.

 

[Angeloffire]

What happens is when you contact them, is that they move into you. God was just protecting you by telling us not to speak with them and worship them. As an example, the oujia board. Most who use it begin to have immediate troubles with demons/spirits afterwards.

All a medium is doing is speaking to the spirits of the dead. When they say they can't contact one because it moved to a higher plane, the truth is that that person was saved when they died and Paul said that to be "absent from the body was to be present with the Lord." They are in the third heaven and there is a great gulf between the third heaven and the realm of death.

Any spirit you meet while astral projecting is a demon spirit. Only Angels can traverse the gulf or dimension.

Sometimes I can see the dimensional wall. It is shimmering like and when I do exorcisms I can see the dead peoples faces as I cast them out. They bring with them the illnesses that they had when they died. When you cast them out, the person is healed.

 

[franklin]

I don't profess to speak on behalf of God, my guess would be that since you are attempting to access a plane of reality that we can niether see nor understand, there is a real vulnerablity to demonic influence - if you believe in that sort of thing.

I'm an atheist so I don't believe in demons, spirits, ghosts, gods, angels or anything supernatural.

Even if they did exist, how could they possible have any influence on humans who are in the physical while demons are outside of time just like God is outside of time as believers so often claim.

 

[Bryan519]

I'm an atheist so I don't believe in demons, spirits, ghosts, gods, angels or anything supernatural.

Even if they did exist, how could they possible have any influence on humans who are in the physical while demons are outside of time just like God is outside of time as believers so often claim.

Franklin,
The supernatural isn't something science quite understands yet although some steps are being taken to study it. I don't know that demons are necessarily outside time the way that God is.

I had questioned the supernatural as well until the day that I saw objects move on their own, heard disembodied voices, and my wife saw an apparition. I have no idea what these things were, but they certainly couldn't be explained by natural law. I understand your skepticism. I'm just a guy prfessing to have some kind of supernatural experience and you have no idea whether I'm schitzophrenic, delusional, or on LSD, although I would tell you that I'm none of these things - someone's testimony on an internet forum isn't evidence.

If you are really interested in learning and studying the supernatural to verify the veracity of such claims, maybe try finding a paranormal group in your area and go on some investigations. It might change your mind, or you might be able to add some balance and come up with some logical explanations for some of the phenomena that one experiences on such investigations. You're in Texas, right? I'm in Austin, I'd be happy to connect you with some of the paranormal groups in the area if you are truly searching for the truth.

 

[franklin]

What happens is when you contact them, is that they move into you. God was just protecting you by telling us not to speak with them and worship them. As an example, the oujia board. Most who use it begin to have immediate troubles with demons/spirits afterwards.

If these spirits are so dangerous, why doesn't God just snap his all-powerful cosmic fingers and zap them out of existence once and for all?

I think that's the best way of protecting the humans he created wouldn't you agree?

 

[seashale76]

If Christians believe in living after they die, then does that mean dead people can talk to us or maybe they are even watching us?

Well why not? If they are alive and well in the afterlife, then why can't they talk to us and visa versa?

I think it's a perfectly legitimate question.

Some might think it's a silly question but if the afterlife does literally exist then why wouldn't it be possible to communicate with dead loved ones? (Well not really dead but now living in invisible form on the other side.)

If you can't communicate with them, then that should solve the entire theory/belief of life after death once and for all.

It does not exist.

You're right. It is a perfectly legitimate question. In the Orthodox Church, we ask for the intercessions of the saints, and we do believe that the saints appear to people at times. We do believe that the saints are ALIVE in Christ. They are a great cloud of witnesses.

As the Paschal Troparion says: Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!


Matthew 27:51-53
“And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked, rocks were split, tombs were opened, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And coming forth from their tombs after his resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many.”

 

[Bryan519]

If these spirits are so dangerous, why doesn't God just snap his all-powerful cosmic fingers and zap them out of existence once and for all?

I think that's the best way of protecting the humans he created wouldn't you agree?

Maybe one day He will - regardless it's an excercise in futility to try to understand and question anyone's motives or thoughts especially when speaking of God. I know it's hard for the atheist to understand anything that's outside their immediate perception of reality, hell, i'm still struggling with it, but you can't apply what we know to be true in the physical realm to the spiritual.

 

[Bryan519]

By the way, franklin, I'm still waiting on an answer to my proposition. If you are truly a seeker of truth rather than some beligerent antagonist, you'll accept my challenge. Start investigating alleged hauntings. Speak with people who have actually claimed to being oppressed by demons. Take evidence. An ounce of evidence outweighs a thousand words and you my friend have spurted out many words. What are you up to now...hmmm 7,920 posts? My....that's allot of words.

Come on, put your money where your mouth is.
[Gauntlet thrown]

 

[Bryan519]

Franklin? No? Not interested in my proposition? hmmmmm

 

[Catherineanne]

By the way, franklin, I'm still waiting on an answer to my proposition. If you are truly a seeker of truth rather than some beligerent antagonist, you'll accept my challenge. Start investigating alleged hauntings. Speak with people who have actually claimed to being oppressed by demons. Take evidence. An ounce of evidence outweighs a thousand words and you my friend have spurted out many words. What are you up to now...hmmm 7,920 posts? My....that's allot of words.

Come on, put your money where your mouth is.
[Gauntlet thrown]

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, that ye cast gauntlets before antagonists, and challenge them to speak with demon oppressed souls."???

Nope, don't remember that one.

This part of the forum is for outreach, not confrontation.

 

[Catherineanne]

you can't apply what we know to be true in the physical realm to the spiritual.

If this were actually true, we would not be able to discuss eschatology at all. The fact that we can have such discussions would seem to rather refute your point.

As long as we bear in mind that we only see through a glass darkly, we can indeed talk about what we see through that glass. And we can also talk of what Our Lord told us is on the other side of that glass.

And for the scientifically minded, we can ask, what of dark matter? That which fills the universe, and has to be there to account for lots of inexplicable stuff, but which cannot be seen or recorded, only deduced?

How is believing in dark matter, not to mention black holes etc, not exactly parallel to believing in God? We all believe in something, so why be surprised that some of us happen to believe, inter alia, in God?