Can some people astral project and put curses on people?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

" Can some people astral project and put curses on people? "

DennisTate said:
These videos are quite impressive........

Apparently you are impressed with evil. We seek never to stay that way.
(see what "impressed" means for a newborn animal)
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Yes, people can put curses on people.
No, they cannot put a curse on Ekklesia. (observed, tried, seen, realized - even witch-doctors who can curse whole villages of unbelievers, hate TRUE Christians - because they cannot put a curse on them! )

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
" Can some people astral project and put curses on people? "

Apparently you are impressed with evil. We seek never to stay that way.
(see what "impressed" means for a newborn animal)
===============================================
Yes, people can put curses on people.
No, they cannot put a curse on Ekklesia. (observed, tried, seen, realized - even witch-doctors who can curse whole villages of unbelievers, hate TRUE Christians - because they cannot put a curse on them! )

Frankly... there are many reasons why I am impressed by the testimony of Evangelist John Ramirez......
for one... he is like a modern Apostle Paul who once persecuted Christians and now is one.......

For another.. his testimony is helping many Christians to understand 2 Corinthians 12
verses two to four in a whole new light......

What I mean by this is .... what exactly did Paul mean by "out of the body"?????

Is there a possible connection with statements about the Prophet Elisha?????

I must needs glory, though it is not expedient; but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.

2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.

3 And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), 4 how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

Was the Prophet Elisha doing something somewhat along the line of "out of the body????"

2 Kings 6

8 Now the king of Syria was warring against Israel; and he took counsel with his servants, saying, In such and such a place shall be my camp.

9 And the man of God sent unto the king of Israel, saying, Beware that thou pass not such a place; for thither the Syrians are coming down.

10 And the king of Israel sent to the place which the man of God told him and warned him of; and he saved himself there, not once nor twice.

11 And the heart of the king of Syria was sore troubled for this thing; and he called his servants, and said unto them, Will ye not show me which of us is for the king of Israel?

12 And one of his servants said, Nay, my lord, O king; but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber.

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

Was Messiah Yeshua - Jesus doing something along the lines of "out of the body" when he saw Nathanial under the fig tree???????

John 1

Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

49 Nathanael answered him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art King of Israel.

50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee underneath the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.

51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye shall see the heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
For another.. his testimony is helping many Christians to understand 2 Corinthians 12
verses two to four in a whole new light......

Would you print out those references? They do not render on my screen. (I ask this of everyone, to avoid confusion, and to see what the words say that you are using).

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

(re cannot curse a true believer)
This does look good, Biblical testimony of /leading to/ true deliverance >>>
"... ... ...
I said, "I'll kill her. Give me - I'll take 30% off the 10, give me $7,000."

So, when the lady was going to leave my house, she said, "By the way, the lady's a Christian. The lady's a Christian."

I said, "I'll kill her for free." I said, "I don't need the money. I'll kill her for free. I'm going to teach these Christians a lesson they're gonna learn. I'll kill her for free." I told her, "I don't want your money - I'll kill her for free."

So I did the voodoo thing, I did the witchcraft thing and 21 days went by and the lady didn't die. A month went by, the lady didn't die. And I was like, wow - what's going on? I mean, my reputation's on the line. So I called the devil, I called the demons that were assigned - I increased the witchcraft. I increased the witchcraft, I doubled the witchcraft on her, so she could die, like, overnight. Nothing was going on, nothing was going on.

I was home at night and the devil shows up, the presence of the devil comes into my house. He tells me, "We have to abort the plan on the lady you want to kill."

And I said, "Why would we want to abort the plan? My reputation is on the line. I'm a witch, I'm a warlock. If I don't kill the lady, people won't think that I have any powers."

The devil says, "You don't understand. The God that she serves said to leave her alone. Don't touch her."

And I said, "Who's this God?"

He said, "The God that she serves."

I was so angry, I said, "No, give it one more week, but let's kill her."

He said, "No. The God that she serves said to leave her alone." "
SPIRIT REPORTS: JOHN RAMIREZ

DennisTate said:
Frankly... there are many reasons why I am impressed by the testimony of Evangelist John Ramirez......
for one... he is like a modern Apostle Paul who once persecuted Christians and now is one.......

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
Was the Prophet Elisha doing something somewhat along the line of "out of the body????"

No.

Yahuweh revealed the words to him. No out of body floating around, per se.....

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
No.

Yahuweh revealed the words to him. No out of body floating around, per se.....

So then Matthew 4
in no way took place in some sort of out of the body state?????????????????

Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he afterward hungered.

3 And the tempter came and said unto him, If thou art the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him into the holy city; and he set him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and saith unto him, If thou art the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and, On their hands they shall bear thee up, Lest haply thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7 Jesus said unto him, Again it is written, Thou shalt not make trial of the Lord thy God.

8 Again, the devil taketh him unto an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 and he said unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

11 Then the devil leaveth him; and behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
in no way took place in some sort of out of the body state?????????????????

Not in any way you have presented in past posts so far, that I am aware of.
Nor with the purpose, the goals and ambitions and emotions and feelings
that it seems you have continued to post from or about or towards.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

excerpt from previous posted link:
"After giving his life to Christ, John joined Times Square Church in NYC. He was discipled by Pastor David Wilkerson until Pastor Wilkerson's untimely death in 2011.... ... ... "

so far so good also... ... ...

then...

"... ... ... John is now an evangelist for Christ and travels the world preaching and exposing the works of Satan. "

this is subject to proving/ testing/ verifying.

("I wish" it was written instead: "destoying" the works of Satan .... )

as Jesus went about destroying the works of Satan ....

but then again, it is true and good "having nothing to do with what they do indarkness, but rather EXPOSING THEM " ....

so all ongoing testing, proving, revealing in the LIGHT (JESUS) as the FATHER PERMITS.

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Not in any way you have presented in past posts so far, that I am aware of.
Nor with the purpose, the goals and ambitions and emotions and feelings
that it seems you have continued to post from or about or towards.

Thank you for adding those qualifiers to your reply.... That is a very wise way to think about all this....... That is a good example of what I went through back in 1990 to 2000 as I researched all of this.....

Our willingness to admit that we cannot have one hundred percent understanding of questions like this is our first step toward at least having a better understanding of this......

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
Thank you for adding those qualifiers to your reply.... That is a very wise way to think about all this....... That is a good example of what I went through back in 1990 to 2000 as I researched all of this.....

Our willingness to admit that we cannot have one hundred percent understanding of questions like this is our first step toward at least having a better understanding of this......

I do not mean at all I was wrong in appraising your posts - a lot of them are very much in error.
I meant I have not seen hardly any of your posts presented in line with all Scripture - when there is one in line with Scripture, I will note it. So far, it has been mostly opposed to Scripture. (it is as if you used to know the truth, and then by your wife or the toronto deception (laughing etc ) got deceived away from the truth, as multitudes got deceived and the fellowship around the world hurt very much by the laughing toronto deception. )

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
excerpt from previous posted link:
"After giving his life to Christ, John joined Times Square Church in NYC. He was discipled by Pastor David Wilkerson until Pastor Wilkerson's untimely death in 2011.... ... ... "

so far so good also... ... ...

then...

"... ... ... John is now an evangelist for Christ and travels the world preaching and exposing the works of Satan. "

this is subject to proving/ testing/ verifying.

("I wish" it was written instead: "destoying" the works of Satan .... )

as Jesus went about destroying the works of Satan ....

but then again, it is true and good "having nothing to do with what they do indarkness, but rather EXPOSING THEM " ....

so all ongoing testing, proving, revealing in the LIGHT (JESUS) as the FATHER PERMITS.

One of the potentially critical things about the ministry of Evangelist John Ramirez is that he asserts that some Satanists and / or witches and or warlocks can astral project and put curses on some Christians who have not yet learned how to cover themselves and their homes and their families with prayer........

Evangelist John Ramirez states that these Satanists or witches or warlocks gain power by shedding innocent blood..... sometimes of animals........

I believe that his testimony is very useful to give the average America some idea of what President Trump and his team are UP AGAINST????????

DennisTate · Nov 30, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I do not mean at all I was wrong in appraising your posts - a lot of them are very much in error.
I meant I have not seen hardly any of your posts presented in line with all Scripture - when there is one in line with Scripture, I will note it. So far, it has been mostly opposed to Scripture. (it is as if you used to know the truth, and then by your wife or the toronto deception (laughing etc ) got deceived away from the truth, as multitudes got deceived and the fellowship around the world hurt very much by the laughing toronto deception. )

It is my belief that a significant percentage of what happened at the Toronto Blessing is being done by the Holy Spirit and by Messiah Yeshua -Jesus and by angels sent from heaven........

I cannot say that ten percent or more of what happens there could not be from the dark side of the force because Evangelist John Ramirez states that some powerful Satanists or powerful witches or warlocks deliberately infiltrate churches........
in order to confuse and put curses on Christians.........

Pastor Bobby Conner spoke about being shown a witch in one of the meetings he was at who had became the churches leader for prayer outreach... I will try to find that video.....

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
It is my belief that a significant percentage of what happened at the Toronto Blessing is being done by the Holy Spirit and by Messiah Yeshua -Jesus and by angels sent from heaven........

THis was thought by many people there.
It has resulted in debacle after debacle, destruction after destruction, deception after deception.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

DennisTate said:
One of the potentially critical things about the ministry of Evangelist John Ramirez is that he asserts that some Satanists and / or witches and or warlocks can astral project and put curses on some Christians who have not yet learned how to cover themselves and their homes and their families with prayer........

Evangelist John Ramirez states that these Satanists or witches or warlocks gain power by shedding innocent blood..... sometimes of animals........

I believe that his testimony is very useful to give the average America some idea of what President Trump and his team are UP AGAINST????????

Hoopla.... as noted how many present have been deceived by "blessings" that were not blessings,
so also
(far far more and worse)
the average worldling (Americans and other places)
remain "sons of disobedience" in great number.
Some get saved and are saved.
Others don't.
Others including some present on the forumn were and continue to be deceived by the misnomer: toronto blessing. It was long ago thoroughly exposed as not only false, but also as causing much harm world wide (and now evident on this forum).....

Arbown · Dec 6, 2019

Latent Power of the Soul. Nee covered some of this in his book, which IMO is required reading for the curious.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 6, 2019

Arbown said:
Latent Power of the Soul. Nee covered some of this in his book, which IMO is required reading for the curious.

.... ahhh, aw..... , now the price is going to go up more on ebya and amanoze

usexpat97 · Dec 6, 2019

The big problem with these so-called "spiritual" gifts is that, even if true, it puts the focus of the credit on YOU. YOU have the power to project your soul elsewhere. YOU can see and hear spirits.

Let's get real. Even Ussain Bolt: fastest human runner. Does he even know how to make a leg? Or perhaps he knows how to craft just one strand of DNA, to make it program an organism to form legs? No. Even Ussain Bolt--has the power to run faster than anybody--doesn't even know how legs are made. He can put one in front of the other--that's it. The rest was given to him.

And we are to believe people have spiritual powers?? We still live on planet Earth--we have even less the slightest idea about the spiritual world. No. Spirits have spiritual powers. If we possess any at all, it's because spirits have done it for us. And you had doggone better make sure those spirits, and you, are of God. Because it's not you at all--it's them. And what THEY choose. That is not YOUR power at all.

DennisTate · Dec 23, 2019

Arbown said:
Latent Power of the Soul. Nee covered some of this in his book, which IMO is required reading for the curious.

Thank you for that reference.

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