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Can sinning can be overcome?

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Sadly, I believe that this is totally a faith issue. I say sadly, because it requires a great deal of faith which I believe most of us are lacking in. We must completely submit ourselves to God's will and that is very hard for us to do. We have to be willing. I pray, "Lord please make me willing to be willing to be pleasing in your site". We must devote ourselves to the Lord and most of us are not "willing" to do that. The world is a big distraction. The Lord does not lead us into temptation as it is translated in some scriptures. Actually it should read , "Lord please don't allow us to be lead into temptation". From such, turn away. If we stay conscious of things around us and we see a temptation coming our way, we should pray immediately, "Lord please help me not to look, not to consider not to covet that. Please turn my heart and mind away from temptation." then we have to do our part and don't give temptation a chance. it takes, practice, practice, practice. i believe victory over sin can be achieved but in the state that most of us are in , i find it doubtful that we are that dedicated to become sinless. It's our choice. God guide you all to become dedicated sin fighters. ; )
 
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How successful have you been at simply 'avoiding' sin? How many times a day/week/year do you not 'avoid' it? Does 'avoiding' it cleanse you from your 'slips'. How can you claim to have overcome sin if you still have 'slips', even occasionally?

My success in the sin area lies in the lap of my savior. He has wiped out my sin and He can keep me from it. I have prayed to Christ to keep me from sin and to take control of my life and He has. To me I would rather die than to intentionally comit a known sin because I know what sin does to my Savior. However, sometimes in conversation or what ever I will say or do something without thinking that I know almost instantly is a sin. Sometimes it may be for flaming a guy like you while discussing of all things salvation. Talk about ironic, think about it, sinning while talking about sin, is that crazy or what? Anyway, I know how to take care of that and my focused attention on my creator is extremely vital for this. The struggle for all of this will not end until we receive our glorified minds and bodies.

I know that the blood of my Savior was not shed to allow me a license to keep on sinning with impunity. I know that the royal law of God is perfect and good and was given as a blessing to mankind.

Still off topic for this thread. And you know I cannot give a response without getting warned yet again.


Wait a second, are you saying you can't simply answer with a yes or no on this. Except for the mark of the beast question I formated the other two questions for a yes or no.

If you will answer my questions honestly I can go to the GT denomination specific board and start a thread just for those questions, are you willing to answer them if I do?

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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I have never in my life read the Gospel of salvation so misunderstood, maligned, twisted and corrupted as I have in this thread. I think I am going to be sick...

I don't even know where to begin.

Actually, I won't even bother. I will achieve the same amount of success that Ford did with Paulson.

I have tried in absolute vain to correct the perfectionist mindset of the TSDA's. But, it has become painfully clear: They will never accept the Scriptural premise that we will not be sinless until glorification. Never. They will also never accept the correct definition of perfection as spiritual maturity as opposed to flawless sinlessness.

I have posted on this forum, to date, three seperate links to Geoffery Paxton's excellent article which outlines how Adventists have misunderstood salvation. I can see now that not one TSDA here has even bothered to read it. Pathetic.

Freeindeed and RC_NewProtestants, go nuts. I hope you have more success than I have had here and other forums. I, personally, cannot do it anymore. This corruption is so deeply imbedded in the Adventist psyche, that it is pointless and futile to expend the energy and time it takes to battle it.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. So let us leave them to thier bankrupt, Ralph Larson, sinless perfection delusions and let us rest in the finished work, righteousness and absolute perfection of Christ our Savior.

Regardless of the fact that those who criticize Ford don't have even one tenth the clear understanding of the Gospel of salvation he does, their demonization of Evangelical belief in salvation continues unabated.
 
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Most people are overwhelmed by the enormity of the task, while they failed to realize the multiplication factor of the equation:

"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me."

We forget about the enabling and empowering holy spirit.
 
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Then God must be a lier when He asks us:

"Be holy, for I AM holy"

"Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father who is in heaven."

1 John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 Thess 5:3 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Contrary to what you said, Paul under the inspiration penned that we should be blameless unto the coming of Jesus, NOT after his comes.

If you are waiting after Jesus's return to be perfectly sinless, then you will NEVER be.

If you are filthy when Jesus comes, you will be filthy still.

Rev 22
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
 
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I have never in my life read the Gospel of salvation so misunderstood, maligned, twisted and corrupted as I have in this thread. I think I am going to be sick...

I don't even know where to begin.

So what is the sin in your life that you don't believe God is capable of delivering you from?

Really, that is what it all comes down to.

The gospel doesn't just consist of the idea that Jesus has forgiven us of our confessed sins, but also that He wills to deliver us from our sins.

There is nothing unBiblical about this. And I challenge you to prove that what I have said is a distorted view of the gospel.

"And she shall bear a son, and you shall call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins." (Mat 1:21)

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." (Rom 1:16)
 
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Regardless of the fact that those who criticize Ford don't have even one tenth the clear understanding of the Gospel of salvation he does, their demonization of Evangelical belief in salvation continues unabated.

I can see your a little bit of a hot head but hey so am I at times. I too believe we will not achieve a perfect sinless condition until the 2nd coming. The reason I believe that is because it's Biblical. I don't accept the idea that you can sin with impunity and still be saved, that is not Biblical.

You seem to be a big Dr. Ford fan so I will ask you the same questions I asked Freeindeed2, who seems unwilling to answer even with a yes or no.

1. Do you accept the day for a year principle in the Bible for prophetic purpose? Yes or no?

2. Do you consider the mark of the Beast to directly involve how we worship and the day we worship on? Yes or no?

3. Are you a preterist? Yes or No?

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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Jim wrote:
I too believe we will not achieve a perfect sinless condition until the 2nd coming. The reason I believe that is because it's Biblical. I don't accept the idea that you can sin with impunity and still be saved, that is not Biblical.

Thank you Jim, then you and I and Dr. Ford and NightE are in agreement. No one here has talked about sinning with impunity just the very fact that we even while following Christ still sin both in commission and omission.
 
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I gave your scriptures and you came back with your opinion with zero scriptures provided.

This is your problem with TSDA'sm because it doesn't teach a cheap grace. It teaches the true believers have to live a holy life. It's your choice, isn't it?
 
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Thank you Jim, then you and I and Dr. Ford and NightE are in agreement. No one here has talked about sinning with impunity just the very fact that we even while following Christ still sin both in commission and omission.

When someone says behavior does not matter then I have a problem with that because what the Bible says has a problem with that. My comment was sinning with impunity and maybe there is a better way to describe what I am trying to say. The bottom line is this for me, many who are ex-adventists and progressive adventists say it's ok to break the Sabbath if your boss calls you in to work, or lying to save face is ok, and well we won't even get into impure thoughts. I think this is wrong behavior and if not confessed and repented of can lead to being lost. They on the other hand say it doesn't matter so their version of salvation in my opinion and that of many others leads them right back into intentional sin.

God Bless
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I agree with Ford on his views of salvation, but not on the IJ or the day/year principal.
 
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Jim wrote:
When someone says behavior does not matter then I have a problem with that because what the Bible says has a problem with that.

Where did you see that on this thread or in anything by Dr. Ford? You have been responding to things apparently in your own mind rather than things actually said.
 
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It doesn't take much to get you going again.

I'm sorry you don't like it. But that's what Adventism teaches. Almost all other denominations teach what you want to believe. So there is no one here trying to twist your arm.
 
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Where did you see that on this thread or in anything by Dr. Ford? You have been responding to things apparently in your own mind rather than things actually said.

I was speaking of Freeindeed2 and Byfaithalone who have both said on numerous occasions that behavior does not matter once you are saved. That smacks of once saved always saved. I suggest you ask them yourself and see what they say.

The issue of Dr. Ford to me is still in question. What I really suspect and I am trying to confirm it right now is most of these guys who embrace this new righteousness by faith apostacy come from the Ford camp where the first thing that is done is to destroy E.G.White's credibilty and then they attack the IJ. The ultimate result is a skewed version of righteousness by faith which gives them a license to sin.

God Bless
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It doesn't take much to get you going again.

I'm sorry you don't like it. But that's what Adventism teaches. Almost all other denominations teach what you want to believe. So there is no one here trying to twist your arm.


Boy's, the sandbox is only so big, and the flying sand stings when it hits our eyes. So keep it down to a few grains not the whole shovel or pail.......
 
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You win no one to your cause, Night, with that spirit, and evil is instilled instead of averted in that discussion.......

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