Can sex and orientation change?

[Cute Tink]

I am basically trying to say XY and XX are the only unique options.

There are more than XY and XX. For example there are XXY and XYY among others

 

[Targaryen]

There are more than XY and XX. For example there are XXY and XYY among others

Tricky thing biological science eh? It's like something are still being discovered. Fancy that.

 

[Cute Tink]

Tricky thing biological science eh? It's like something are still being discovered. Fancy that.

And it doesn't seem to get simpler as we learn more

 

[Billnew]

And it doesn't seem to get simpler as we learn more

That applies to life also.

 

[Marius27]

Can orientation change? Can you change your physical sex?

What is your obsession with this topic? It's deeply disturbing.

 

[Rubiks]

There are more than XY and XX. For example there are XXY and XYY among others

Check my previous posts. Those aren't really separate genders, but just blends of male/female to various degrees, hence the term unique

 

[Cute Tink]

Check my previous posts. Those aren't really separate genders, but just blends of male/female to various degrees, hence the term unique

If you look into what those other chromosomal combinations do, though, they can cause female development in an otherwise male appearing body or vice versa. Hence, they don't really fit into the binary of male/female.

 

[Marius27]

Yes, it's unfortunate. I think they should keep trying, now that they have better science and tools.

Why exactly do you care what method they use? How is making the birth sex match their identity relevant to your life?

I still have a hard time divorcing the two. Your sex is your biological body parts that you are.

No, your sex is your chromosomal make-up (genotype). Your phenotype (bodyparts) don't always match.

If you say "I'm changing my gender", and then remove your genitals, and then say "My gender is changed", then gender and sex really don't seem to be different things, right? I'm trying to figure out, according to this paradigm, where the line is, and what is what?

Your Gender Identity is how your brain perceives itself on the spectrum of masculinity and femininity. The perception of being either male or female (or some combination of the two). Your Gender Identity based on the brain does not always match your biological sex. I don't really hear people say their "Gender has changed". Generally they have a perception of what their gender is. The problem with Gender Dysphoria is that their perceived gender based on their brain structure is different than what their genotype and phenotype are.

 

[KarateCowboy]

What is your obsession with this topic? It's deeply disturbing.

I wish you were as deeply disturbed by the very fact that people want to even change their sex, or have SSA, to begin with.

Welcome to the world, post Sexual Degeneration:

Cutting off your genitals and saying "I'm a woman" .. not disturbing

Talking about the issues such aberrant behavior presents to society ... deeply disturbing.

Now THAT'S a fundamental transformation.

 

[Targaryen]

I wish you were as deeply disturbed by the very fact that people want to even change their sex, or have SSA, to begin with.

Welcome to the world, post Sexual Degeneration:

Cutting off your genitals and saying "I'm a woman" .. not disturbing

Talking about the issues such aberrant behavior presents to society ... deeply disturbing.

Now THAT'S a fundamental transformation.

The only aberrant behaviour is the fact you see gender and sexual preference as fixed into certain patterns.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Why exactly do you care what method they use? How is making the birth sex match their identity relevant to your life?

It's an interesting topic that is related to public affairs and society.

No, your sex is your chromosomal make-up (genotype). Your phenotype (bodyparts) don't always match.

Seems to be both, depending. This entry in a medical dictionary has some interesting details.
Biological sex - definition of Biological sex by Medical dictionary

The details are interesting, but unfortunately don't make it any simpler. What do you think of it?

Your Gender Identity is how your brain perceives itself on the spectrum of masculinity and femininity. The perception of being either male or female (or some combination of the two). Your Gender Identity based on the brain does not always match your biological sex. I don't really hear people say their "Gender has changed". Generally they have a perception of what their gender is. The problem with Gender Dysphoria is that their perceived gender based on their brain structure is different than what their genotype and phenotype are.

That's an interesting thesis. If gender identity is how you perceive yourself, then what is gender itself? I've heard some people say that gender is a 'social construct'. Is it really, though? It's a very fuzzy, blurry idea.

 

[KarateCowboy]

I'm not confused at all.

When I claim to be something, I am telling other people that I am something.

When I believe I am something, that is purely internal.

"Identify as" can, I suppose, have both meanings in different contexts--but when we talk about sexuality and gender it is usually the latter. Closeted people, for example, claim to be something quite different than they believe they are.

You can make claims just to yourself, as well. After all, a claim is just an assertion. If I assert to myself that I am the fourteenth reincarnation of Quatzecoatl's pet capybara, honestly believing I am, then I identify as such, even if only to myself.

 

[KarateCowboy]

The only aberrant behaviour is the fact you see gender and sexual preference as fixed into certain patterns.

Everyone sees them fixed into certain patterns. For example, XY expressing itself as male gonads and features is a pattern, and XX likewise is also a pattern. That's just biological science.

Thanks for the barb, though. I guess that's liberal tolerance, acceptance, and non-judgmentalism for you.

 

[Joykins]

You can make claims just to yourself, as well. After all, a claim is just an assertion. If I assert to myself that I am the fourteenth reincarnation of Quatzecoatl's pet capybara, honestly believing I am, then I identify as such, even if only to myself.

It's not necessary to 'make claims' to yourself unless you're living in denial of something

 

[Cute Tink]

Everyone sees them fixed into certain patterns. For example, XY expressing itself as male gonads and features is a pattern, and XX likewise is also a pattern. That's just biological science.

Unfortunately those aren't the only possibilities. That's just biological science.

 

[KarateCowboy]

It's not necessary to 'make claims' to yourself unless you're living in denial of something

Isn't that kind of what GID is?

 

[Cute Tink]

Isn't that kind of what GID is?

It does generally start out with living in denial of who you really are. I know I did that until I was almost 32. Transition helps with that.

The term is no longer GID though. It was changed to Gender Dysphoria to be more correct and descriptive.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Gender is an energetic function:

Male is penetrative, female is receptive.

Male is the contained, female is the container.

Male is projective knowledge, female is receptive wisdom.

Male is the objective and external like traditional science.
Female is subjective and internal like traditional religion.



Each soul must master both functions harmoniously to be whole and balanced with the object/subjective Universe.

 

[KarateCowboy]

It does generally start out with living in denial of who you really are. I know I did that until I was almost 32. Transition helps with that.

The term is no longer GID though. It was changed to Gender Dysphoria to be more correct and descriptive.

I mean denial about the biological reality of who you are. Kind of like anorexics who think they're fat.

Also, GID seems a less cloudy term.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Gender is an energetic function:

Male is penetrative, female is receptive.

Male is the contained, female is the container.

Male is projective knowledge, female is receptive wisdom.

Male is the objective and external like traditional science.
Female is subjective and internal like traditional religion.



Each soul must master both functions harmoniously to be whole and balanced.

The master gets it...