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Can Satan be forgiven?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by TheKingOfImmortality, Oct 16, 2007.

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  1. TheKingOfImmortality

    TheKingOfImmortality Senior Member

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    After I place that last qustion on why did God not destory Satan, A new qustion just pop into my head.



    Can Satan ever be forgiven for what he has done and be allowed back into heaven?
     
  2. Apollo Celestio

    Apollo Celestio Deal with it.

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    I think he's beyond the point of ever thinking he could even want it, but Universalists would probably think so.
     
  3. Carey

    Carey Contributor

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    Satan cannot be killed because God created him immortal.

    Satan and the angels do not get the same right to be forgiven as humans do.

    Angels were created before humans and are slightly superior to humans. But they also are not bound by the same expectations as humans because of it.
     
  4. uberd00b

    uberd00b The Emperor has no clothes.

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    Does that mean God is unwilling or unable to forgive Satan?
     
  5. Cassandra

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    Well, Satan would have to ask for forgiveness first. That would require him overcoming his pride, which I doubt would happen. To quote the father of lies: "It is better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven." (not sure where this this in scripture)
     
  6. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    In the book of Paridise Lost ;)
     
  7. TheOutsider

    TheOutsider Pope Iason Ouabache the Obscure

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    That's not from scripture, it's from Milton's "Paradise Lost". It's amazing how many people get them mixed up.
     
  8. GabrielWithoutWings

    GabrielWithoutWings Strolling through Naraka

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    It didn't. Milton wrote that.
     
  9. TheOutsider

    TheOutsider Pope Iason Ouabache the Obscure

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    Darn you! That's what I get for actually checking Google first.
     
  10. GabrielWithoutWings

    GabrielWithoutWings Strolling through Naraka

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    The only two things I can think of of the Devil being forgiven is Origen's doctrine of apocatastasis and the religion of Yezidism.
     
  11. Cassandra

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    *slaps forehead*

    My bad :p
     
  12. Bookofknowledge

    Bookofknowledge Senior Veteran

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    Satan is nothing but a Creation of Allah just like the rest of the creations and All Creations of Allah are entitled to seek repentance and expect to be forgiven by Allah when they mend their ways and follow the path of righteousness.

    When people commit wrong again and again it becomes second nature and soon they are involved in it so much they don't even think for a second what they are doing is wrong... similarly Satan choose not to follow the commandments of Allah by disobeying and seeked respite until day of resurrection to commit wrong. Satan knows his end yet he continues his act of disobeying instead of mending ways.
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Hi. If Allah can forgive Muhammad then he can certainly forgive anyone, even the Jews that did not believe unto YHWH's Son, JESUS the CHRIST, sent to them, correct? :wave:

    Luke 21:20 `And when ye may see Jerusalem surrounded/kukloumenhn <2944> by encampments, then know that come nigh did her desolation;
    23"But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
    28 Beginning yet to be becoming the-these, up-bend ye!, and on-lift ye!, the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing/eggizei <1448> (5719) the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye
     
  14. Antiochian

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    Milton was a pretty cool guy. Too bad his book gained a mythological standing... but I guess that means he made up a good story.

    Anyhow, didn't priests used to say prayers to God to forgive even satan? This is just a rumor that I heard a LONG time ago, I can't remember where. So I wouldn't bet on it... but it would be good to get a confirmation.
     
  15. Carey

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    God is unwilling to forgive satan.
    God was also unwilling to forgive mankind but the son Yeshua was willing to take mankinds punishment because he is more loving even than the father.
    This is why his love + plus the fathers wisdom and might
    using the power of the Holy spirt make the perfect 3 fold entity.
     
  16. Carey

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    I dont think the enemy would choose this if he had a choice.

    Revelations 20 : 10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of
    burning sulfur( a different hell than for human souls ), where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Notice this is not what is in store for human souls who rejected Christs and the Gospel.

    Revelations 20 : 11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

    14Then death and Hades ( the grave human hell ) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
    ( notice they die a second time pernanently they are not tormented forever )
     
  17. Bookofknowledge

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    Jesus doesn't have the ability to act on his own since Jesus is 100% dependent on God because he is nothing but the Creation of God just like Adam who had no father or mother.

    Maryam (RA) said how can I have a Son when no man has ever touched me and Angels didn't reply "Don't worry God will put his own son in your stomach" - Use common sense - The angels reply was It is easy for God and when God choose to create He only says it to "Be" and it becomes...

    The Jews are correct when they didn't believe in YHWH's Son because Musa (AS) never taught his followers YHWH has a Son, Musa (AS) teaching was One and Only God Just like the teachings of Isa (AS) who taught Your God and My (Isa Ibn Maryam) is One.
     
  18. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    I agree Jesus isn't YHWH His Father but PROVE He couldn't be His Son. Wasn't He born without union from an "earthly father"?

    Of course the Jews would never go for a "virgin" birth in any case, so what does it matter? :D

    Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of the Thy parousiaV <3952>, and of the together-finish/sunteleiaV <4930> of the Age/aiwnoV <165>?'

    Matthew 28:20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days--till the full end/sunteleiaV <4930> of the Age.'
     
  19. Secundulus

    Secundulus Well-Known Member

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    That is not what the Christian scriptures say. That is simply what Muhammed said when he failed to understand. This is what the Christian scriptures actually say:

    [BIBLE]Luke 1:34-35[/BIBLE]
     
  20. Bookofknowledge

    Bookofknowledge Senior Veteran

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    Which has more importance one who God choose to create without a father and mother or just without father while his mother went through All Birth Pains and sickness of child birth?

    Why are you even bringing up YHWH in your earlier post when you know jews don't go for "Virgin Birth" - Follow the teachings of righteous Prophets "Come to what is common"
     
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